If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.
I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!
It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :
Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.
The concept is NOT that the earth is Flat per se....BUT that it is laid out in a horizontal plane & NOT in a sphere. ( Heliocentric ) Of course the earth has elevation etc ( mountains ) ....but WHEN ANY demonstrations of proving a natural curvature of the earth ( by lining up points of reference - and in doing so - IF the earth was a sphere, ANY absolute straight line - would by using common sense, show natural drop off curvature - ( Earth radius of 3,959 mi) - == Natural Drop off to accomodate the earths curvature would be approx over a distance of 10 miles = 66 feet - rising exponentially 1000ft over a distance of 40 miles - This has NEVER been proved to happen in any test ( building railway lines - Canals etc - ALL have been built NEVER having to take the Earths curvature into consideration - as it doesnt exist. We live on a flat plane - not on a spinning ball.
But any way I don"t ignore the physics, Science, or the geometry. I don't ignore God either.
Me neither. BTW the God of the Bible and the god of the quran are two complete separate dieties.
Isaiah 44:24 ..... I AM THE LORD who made all things,who alone stretched out the heavens,who "spread abroad" the earth by Myself.
Definition of spread abroad = Flatten
Spread simply means to stretch out. The Bible says many times that he strecthed out the heavens. Besides what does this has to do with the earth being flat?
Genesis 1: 16 .... God made "two" lights the sun, and the moon and
The moon reflects light. It doesn't necessarily mean the moon gives its own light.
Joshua 10:12 .... God stopped those two lights, and thousands reported it Not just in the Bible either..all the ancient cultures recorded the event.
I don't deny that, but sunsets we are the only observers witnessing it, it only makes sense to describe it the way we see it. If you asked me to hand you back a water while we're in the car driving by our perspective its going back but to an outside observer the bottle is going 70 mph forward. If you're going to say that if the earth stopped turning they'll be chaos then first off this event is a miracle either way so God could've prevented all that. Second just as we can stop a fighter going a thousand mph slowly without killing the pilot so can God.
The Reason it takes 3 years and over 50,000 miles to Circumnavigate Antarctica? Job 26:10....He hath COMPASSED the Waters with BOUNDS, until the Day and Night come to an END.......... there are over 50 verses referring to the sun's Circuit. (Still, Stable, Immovable)
1st Chronicles 16:30 ..... The world also shall be stable, That it Not Be Moved.
Psalm 96:10 ...... The world also shall be established that it shall not be moved.
These are future tense, indicating that it was at one point moving.
Psalm 93:1 .... The world also is established that IT CANNOT BE MOVED. Not spinning, not orbiting, not on an imaginary axes just because 500 million men say so. God says it Shall Not EVER Move.
I can say the truck is stable while yet its moving. By context I'm saying the truck won't move from its orbit. Even if you're right that only proves that the earth is not spinning, not that it's flat.
But as Jesus said , wisdom of this world is foolishness. " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
Believe what ever you want.. But . He is watching, Ezekiel 1: 25, 26 .. look up and wave.
I have no quibs about that.
FROM THE BOOK OF ENOCH :
18:2 I saw the cornerstone of the earth; I saw the four winds which bear the earth as well as the firmament of heaven.
18:3 I saw how the winds ride the heights of heaven and stand between heaven and earth: These are the very pillars of heaven.
18:4 I saw the winds which turn the heaven and cause the star to set -the sun as well as all the stars.
18:12 And on top of that pit I saw a place without the heavenly firmament above it or earthly foundation under it or water. There was nothing on it -not even birds -but it was a desolate and terrible place.
18:14 Then the malak said to me, “This place is the ultimate end of heaven and earth.
The FACE of the Earth!!! Think of it!!! Find out what is the meaning of this word : A FACE!!! Meditate on this word! Wake up you little deluded child!
The book of Enoch is not scripture.
Psalm 104:24, 30
How many are your works, O Lord! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.... When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.
THE FACE :
1. The surface of THE FRONT of the head from the top of the forehead to the base of the chin and from ear to ear.
2. The surface presented to view; THE FRONT.
3. A façade - The face or front of a building
4. A marked side: the face of a clock; the face of a playing card.
5. The right side, as of fabric.
6. A planar surface of a geometric solid.
7. The appearance and geologic surface features of an area of land; topography.
Why can't it be the last one?
TO FACE :
1. To occupy a position with the face toward: stood and faced the audience.
2. To front on: a window that faces the south.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over THE FACE of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over THE FACE of the waters. - Genesis 1 : 1
Then God said, I give you every seed-bearing plant on THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. - gENESIS 1 : 29
THE END(S) OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE ENDS of the sphere?) :
Could be the poles.
Jeremiah 16:19
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to THE END OF THE WHOLE EARTH. - Daniel 4:10-11
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to THE END OF THE EARTH.” - Acts 1 : 8
For he looks to THE ENDS OF THE EARTH and sees everything under the heavens. - Job 28 : 24
A firstborn bull—he has majesty, and his horns are the horns of a wild ox; with them he shall gore the peoples, all of them, TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.” - Deuteronomy 33 : 17
“And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH TO THE OTHER, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. - Deuteronomy 28 : 64
He makes wars cease to THE END OF THE EARTH; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the chariots with fire. - Psalm 46 : 9
And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from THE ENDS OF THE EARTH to THE ENDS OF HEAVEN. - Mark 13 : 27
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER. - Matthew 24 : 29 - 31
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to THE ENDS OF THE WORLD. -
Psalm 19:1-6
Again, could be the poles.
FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE CORNERS of the sphere?):
Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
And will come out to deceive the nations that are AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20 : 8
After this I saw four angels standing AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. - Revelation 7 : 1
Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH. - Job 37 : 3
The four corners are the four points on a compass as I said in my last post.
THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH AND IMMOBILITY OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE FOUNDATIONS of the sphere which RUSHES THROUGH SPACE AT THE SPEED OF A BULLET?) :
He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH tremble. - Isaiah 24 : 18
He set the earth on IT'S FOUNDATIONS, so that it should NEVER BE MOVED. - Psalm 104 : 5
The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world IS ESTABLISHED; it shall NEVER BE MOVED. - Psalm 93 : 1
Who shakes the earth out of ITS PLACE, and ITS PILLARS tremble - Job 9 : 6
He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For THE PILLARS OF THE EARTH are the Lord's, and ON THEM HE SET THE WORLD. - 1 Samuel 2 : 8
Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before THE FOUNDATION of the world. - John 17 : 24
The foundations are where the continents are. They are thicker there than at sea.
THE FIRMAMENT - A DOME (Does Job refer here to the Van Allen belt? - ...LOL...
Can you, like him, spread out the skies, HARD AS A CAST METAL MIRROR ? - Job 37 : 18
LUTHER AND CALVIN ABOUT THE HELIOCENTRISM : http://i.imgur.com/HCH4g4N.jpg
Notice it says "AS" not that it is a mirror. In my next post I'll post a video on this.
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QURAN :
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then, He Istawa (Jesus) (rose above) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He has subjected the sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed. He regulates all affairs, explaining the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, that you may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
QORAN talk about FIRMAMENT :
O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PASS THEM, EXCEPT WITH AUTHORITY (from Allah)! (AL-Qoran,Surah Ar-Rahman, chapter 55,verse 33)
AND WE HAVE MADE THE HEAVEN A ROOF, SAFE AND WELL GUARDED. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.).
And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. (AL-Qoran,Surah Al Anbiya, chapter 21,verse 32-33)
But Allah raised him ['Iesa (JESUS)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he IS IN THE HEAVENS). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (AL-Qoran,Surah An-Nisa, chapter 4,verse 158)
And We have spread out the earth, how Excellent Spreader (thereof) are We! (AL-Qoran,Surah Adh-Dhariyat, chapter51,verse 48)
And the earth! We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and have produced therein every kind of lovely growth (plants). (AL-Qoran,Surah Qaf, chapter 50,verse 7)
And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse). (AL-Qoran,Surah Noah, chapter 71,verse 19) (6) Have We not made the earth as a bed, (AL-Qoran,Surah An-Naba’, chapter 71,verse 6)
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit (AL-Qoran,SurahYaasiin, chapter 36 ,verse 40)
And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion. (AL-Qoran,Surah AL Hijr, chapter 15,verse 19)
I won't waste my time on the quran because its already curupted.