Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m

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Departure Location
Name: Arturo Merino Benitez Intl
IATA: SCL
ICAO: SCEL
Santiago, Chile
Latitude: 33°23' 40" S
Longitude: 70°47' 38" W
Elevation: 1555 (Feet)   Arrival Location
Name: Sydney Intl
IATA: SYD
ICAO: YSSY
Sydney, Australia
Latitude: 33°56' 46" S
Longitude: 151°10' 38" E
Elevation: 21 (Feet)
Distance: 6,135.01 (NM) / 7,061.55 (MI) / 11,362.04 (KM)
Trip Time: 13:35 (includes 15 minute bias and air speed at 460Kts)

To my fellow flat earthers, we might have a problem

Or people who like ganging up on minorities.

The RE map is also wrong,

Acenci, the problem is that we don't know what the real map looks like.

Acenci, the problem is that we don't know what the real map looks like. Consequently, we can't estimate any distances within the FE model. This doesn't mean that the Earth is not flat though.

The RE map is also wrong, and it is blatantly clear in its most common flat version which is based on a projection. On a globe allegedly everything matches with reality, but who exactly uses globes for navigation.

What I am saying is that it is all relative, and it is true that the FE'ers don't have a very solid argument as to how exactly it all works and there are many holes in the theory. However, because we don't know how exactly it works and what it looks like doesn't mean the Earth is a sphere or spins. Of course, that is debatable, and if you haven't been to space you can't personally be 100% sure, I guess.

Tom Bishop says :


According to the Department of Transportation, the average on-time arrival rate is 75% among the 16 largest carriers.

1 in 4 world-wide flights were delayed. Weather conditions, or a slight misunderstanding of the earth's shape?

the obvious answer is that the maps we're spoon fed are wrong. are there jet streams (an obvious fantasy), or is it to compensate for the fact two places are closer than the round earth map says?
don't trust the obviously wrong maps you're given. not even flat earth maps, we have yet to have a chance to measure out an accurate one, the image is only an example and possibility. the governments hide the true one from us.

in addition, pilots will want money too. we aren't told the full capabilities of their planes, and they adapt the speed they fly at accordingly. if they're so reliable, why would there be any delays or early arrivals? simply, they make human error in how much they accelerate.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 26, 2015, 10:17:11 AM

the obvious answer is that the maps we're spoon fed are wrong. are there jet streams (an obvious fantasy), or is it to compensate for the fact two places are closer than the round earth map says?
don't trust the obviously wrong maps you're given. not even flat earth maps, we have yet to have a chance to measure out an accurate one, the image is only an example and possibility. the governments hide the true one from us.

in addition, pilots will want money too. we aren't told the full capabilities of their planes, and they adapt the speed they fly at accordingly. if they're so reliable, why would there be any delays or early arrivals? simply, they make human error in how much they accelerate.

OK, I agree. Then let us propose an alternative map. And then another question is why is the NASA whistleblower saying that the South Pole is the edge, too? Wouldn't he know? Or are you saying the map is wrong, but the South Pole is still the edge?

But then if the South Pole is the edge, how is this flight possible?

What if the plumb bob is not a valid argument because buildings are too small to worry about the curvature?

What if my only valid argument is the curvature formula not matching the videos of the horizon?

It is still good enough. I am still a flat earther.

Tom Bishop says :

According to the Department of Transportation, the average on-time arrival rate is 75% among the 16 largest carriers.

http://www.gadling.com/2011/06/08/airline-industry-best-and-worst-of-april-2011/

    "Overall, the airline industry posted an average on-time arrival rate of 75.5 percent. This means that a quarter of the time, they miss the mark. It's almost as easy as being a weather man!"

1 in 4 world-wide flights were delayed. Weather conditions, or a slight misunderstanding of the earth's shape?

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 26, 2015, 03:27:00 PM

Quote from: cikljamas on February 26, 2015, 09:36:24 AM

Tom Bishop says :

According to the Department of Transportation, the average on-time arrival rate is 75% among the 16 largest carriers.

http://www.gadling.com/2011/06/08/airline-industry-best-and-worst-of-april-2011/

    "Overall, the airline industry posted an average on-time arrival rate of 75.5 percent. This means that a quarter of the time, they miss the mark. It's almost as easy as being a weather man!"

1 in 4 world-wide flights were delayed. Weather conditions, or a slight misunderstanding of the earth's shape?

Man, you people will believe anything you read if it sounds remotely like a straw to grasp.

About 25% of all flights did not arrive at their destination on time. About 40% of these (10% of all flights) were due to the flight leaving late because the aircraft itself hadn't arrived in time for an on-time departure. Another 30% (7.5% of all flights) are because of air-carrier problems like maintenance issues, late-arriving crews, fueling delays, and the like. 5% (~1% of all flights) are due to severe weather that cause gate or ground holds, diversions, or cancellations. Now we're up to about 74% of the 25% of not-on-time arrivals due to delayed takeoffs, diversions, or outright cancellations, instead of the flight mysteriously taking longer than scheduled.

This leaves only about 6.5% of all flights not arriving on time due to other causes. Of those, the lion's share are National Aviation System delays (another 24% of the 25%; 6% of all flights). Many, but certainly not all, of these result in delayed takeoffs while a problem like traffic congestion elsewhere, often due to weather, is cleared; sometimes the aircraft is required to stay in a holding pattern, keeping it aloft longer than scheduled. If we take a WAG that fully half of the NAS delays extend time in flight, now we're down to a mere 3% of all flights "in the air much longer than expected". Of those, how many just "mysteriously take too long"? Some do, I'm sure, due to routing issues or unexpected headwinds, but some, at least, fall into the "folks, I'm sorry, but we're going to have to circle Chicago for a little while because of a problem on the ground" and, sure enough, there's Chicago, Lake Michigan, the northern midwest, etc. a few miles below you while you're fretting about making your connections.

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/help/aviation/html/understanding.html#q4

I've flown enough to recognize that nearly all late arrivals are due to late takeoffs. The above rings true.

Tom Bishop apparently just tossed out the fact that "only" 75% of all flights arrive on time (which is true) and let you guys gleefully assume that 25% of all flights are in the air much longer than scheduled. You ate it up and uncritically repeated it here. The next time any of you FE proponents think of accusing the rest of us of "just parroting what you're told", please look in the mirror (or, even better, check your "facts" and what they mean, first). The world (whatever its shape) will be better for it.

Sometimes I think they are not government agents, but I can't understand then why they spend so much time here.

I would tend to agree with his points.

This flight seems to exist. Until we find a way to prove that all passengers are lying about the fact that it's not taking over 3 times as much time, or we prove there are no passengers, and that all these youtube videos and the few tripadvisor pages I found... either we prove that they are all fake, and find some mistakes like we do for the rest of the hoaxes, or we cannot just discard this flight as a lie. We need to find some evidence of tampering and fakery. If we don't, then we need to revise our map.

So, OK, yet another witness (albeit not as neutral as those posting videos on youtube), so now I'd like the flat earthers to come forward and tell me what we are going to do about this ridiculous map or how they are going to debunk these rare flights, which although rare when compared to the frequency of the other flights, do seem to exist.

Flat earthers, we can't waste years arguing with these agents/sheeple and then not address their best arguments. Before wasting any further time arguing with them, I ask you to address the evidence of these flights, and if you can't debunk it, to get to work on drawing a new flat earth map.

How can you not have solved this problem yet? How can you not have either debunked these flights or worked on a new map? I've only been a flat-earther for 2 weeks and this problem seems evident.

And, by the way, where are all the flat earthers? I have only met 5 flat earthers so far.

OK, I am going to tell you once and for all. All these people work at the service of Lucifer, who lived for thousands of years and is planning everything that you see happening. That is why you see freemasons worship Lucifer. NASA actors are all freemasons, and freemasons worship Lucifer. Demons do exist. Lucifer does exist.

Do your research. I can even prove to you the existence of demons in case you're skeptical (look up "magician demons" series on youtube). You lazy pseudo-scientist.

Freemasons worship Lucifer and do human sacrifices (cf. John Todd).

"bearing on the subject of a flat earth?": absolutely, Copernicus was either inspired by Lucifer or used by Lucifer. All you need to do is publicize a theory that fits your plans. It doesn't matter if the author is in good faith or not.

I have a lot of objections and questions to God myself. It seems as if he is not acting very much in this world. But demons are definitely afraid of "Jesus". That's how exorcisms are done, in his name.

I've never spoken to Jesus or God. I was agnostic until recently. But then I found out that demons exist (cf. "demon magicians" on Youtube) and that they are afraid of Jesus. So I will try to be a good Christian, just in case he exists. I think he probably exists, but the active ones are the demons, at least in this world.

He is omnipotent, but for some reason I cannot explain and I am not enthusiastic about, he lets evil happen.

By "this world" I mean this coin we live in. It's not a sphere, but a coin. That's the shape of the earth, including the dome over it. It may not correspond to the mainstream flat earth map, but it is still flat (cf. curvature formula vs horizon evidence in my other threads).

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I am still waiting for answers from the flat-earthers. Either disprove these flights or give me a new flat earth map.

Acenci, watch this:

New York - Helsinki : 4112 miles
Montevideo - Capetown : 4139 miles

Now, carefully analyze these two pages :

CAPETOWN - MONTEVIDEO : http://www.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-cape-town/to-montevideo/
NEW YORK - HELSINKI : http://www.finnair.com/fi/gb/flights-helsinki-new-york

Let me know what is your conclusion after careful analysis of two above pages?

Quote from: cikljamas on February 27, 2015, 04:46:55 AM

Acenci, watch this:

New York - Helsinki : 4112 miles
Montevideo - Capetown : 4139 miles

Now, carefully analyze these two pages :

CAPETOWN - MONTEVIDEO : http://www.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-cape-town/to-montevideo/
NEW YORK - HELSINKI : http://www.finnair.com/fi/gb/flights-helsinki-new-york

Let me know what is your conclusion after careful analysis of two above pages?

After careful analysis you actually see the folowing:

Capetown to Montevideo via Paris:

Capetown to Paris - 8,931km - 11 hours
Stopover - 18 hours
Paris to Montevideo - 10,954km - 16 hours

Total distance 19,885 km over 27 hours
Approx 736 km/h

New York to Helsinki - 6,626km - 9 hours
Approx 736 km/h

The only issue is that clearly Montevideo is not a busy destination and that Paris is possibly one of the few airports that will actually fly direct. Hence requiring a hefty diversion from Cape Town. This is purely economics.

Fits round earth perfectly.

Well, you don't have to convince me that the earth is flat -- I agree with you on it -- and I know that it is odd that there are such few direct flights (as your links confirm), but some flights do seem to exist (or please debunk them), so I am now looking for a new flat earth map, because the one we have does not provide for the southern hemisphere intercontinental flights that I found and no one has disproved yet.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 26, 2015, 10:17:11 AM

the obvious answer is that the maps we're spoon fed are wrong. are there jet streams (an obvious fantasy), or is it to compensate for the fact two places are closer than the round earth map says?
don't trust the obviously wrong maps you're given. not even flat earth maps, we have yet to have a chance to measure out an accurate one, the image is only an example and possibility. the governments hide the true one from us.

in addition, pilots will want money too. we aren't told the full capabilities of their planes, and they adapt the speed they fly at accordingly. if they're so reliable, why would there be any delays or early arrivals? simply, they make human error in how much they accelerate.

Were you not breast feed enough as a child?  You sure have a hangup about being spoon feed.  What is so obviously wrong?  The RET maps are accurate to the cm level.  Seems pretty good to me, especially considering FET can't even draw a map to begin with.  So now pilots are in on the conspiracy, who isn't in on it at this point?  And if you are feed up with airline delays, why don't you start an FE airline, always on time because FE pilots 'think for themselves'.  Oh, wait, there is not a single FE pilot in the world.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 26, 2015, 10:17:11 AM

the obvious answer is that the maps we're spoon fed are wrong. are there jet streams (an obvious fantasy), or is it to compensate for the fact two places are closer than the round earth map says?
don't trust the obviously wrong maps you're given. not even flat earth maps, we have yet to have a chance to measure out an accurate one, the image is only an example and possibility. the governments hide the true one from us.

in addition, pilots will want money too. we aren't told the full capabilities of their planes, and they adapt the speed they fly at accordingly. if they're so reliable, why would there be any delays or early arrivals? simply, they make human error in how much they accelerate.

OK, I agree. Then let us propose an alternative map. And then another question is why is the NASA whistleblower saying that the South Pole is the edge, too? Wouldn't he know? Or are you saying the map is wrong, but the South Pole is still the edge?

But then if the South Pole is the edge, how is this flight possible?

What if the plumb bob is not a valid argument because buildings are too small to worry about the curvature?

What if my only valid argument is the curvature formula not matching the videos of the horizon?

It is still good enough. I am still a flat earther.

Quote from: Mainframes on February 27, 2015, 05:06:45 AM

Quote from: cikljamas on February 27, 2015, 04:46:55 AM

Acenci, watch this:

New York - Helsinki : 4112 miles
Montevideo - Capetown : 4139 miles

Now, carefully analyze these two pages :

CAPETOWN - MONTEVIDEO : http://www.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-cape-town/to-montevideo/
NEW YORK - HELSINKI : http://www.finnair.com/fi/gb/flights-helsinki-new-york

Let me know what is your conclusion after careful analysis of two above pages?

After careful analysis you actually see the folowing:

Capetown to Montevideo via Paris:

Capetown to Paris - 8,931km - 11 hours
Stopover - 18 hours
Paris to Montevideo - 10,954km - 16 hours

Total distance 19,885 km over 27 hours
Approx 736 km/h

New York to Helsinki - 6,626km - 9 hours
Approx 736 km/h

The only issue is that clearly Montevideo is not a busy destination and that Paris is possibly one of the few airports that will actually fly direct. Hence requiring a hefty diversion from Cape Town. This is purely economics.

Fits round earth perfectly.

11 hours 20 minutes + 18 hours = 29 hours, NOT 46 hours!!!

Quote from: acenci on February 27, 2015, 05:11:08 AM

Well, you don't have to convince me that the earth is flat -- I agree with you on it -- and I know that it is odd that there are such few direct flights (as your links confirm), but some flights do seem to exist (or please debunk them), so I am now looking for a new flat earth map, because the one we have does not provide for the southern hemisphere intercontinental flights that I found and no one has disproved yet.

Acenci, think about this:

Sydney Australia - Santiago Chile : 7055 miles
Montevideo - Capetown: 4139 miles

Difference : 3000 miles

Sydney - Santiago flight time : 14 h 38 min (not 12 h 30 min) : http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/Santiago,+Chile/to/Sydney,+Australia

This assumes an average flight speed for a commercial airliner of 500 mph, which is equivalent to 805 km/h or 434 knots. It also adds an extra 30 minutes for take-off and landing. Your exact time may vary depending on wind speeds.

Now, 3000 miles = 4800 km / 800 (flight speed) = 6 hours

Does this mean that the direct flight between Montevideo and Capetown should last 8 hours and 38 minutes? BUT IT DOESN'T LAST THAT LONG!!!! According to them it lasts THREE HOURS MORE THAN THAT!!! Although, it seems that there is no such flight anywhere, anyway???

Now if we presume that flight time between Sydney and Santiago is 12 hours and 30 minutes, then direct flight between Montevideo and Capetown should last just 6 hours and 30 minutes, which is absolute nonsense!!!

Regarding your "new flat earth map", i have never seen such a bullshit in my whole life.

Aren't you able to discern utter bullshit from something normal and sane?

Think!!!

11 hours 20 minutes + 18 hours = 29 hours, NOT 46 hours!!!

Quote from: Mainframes on February 27, 2015, 05:06:45 AM

Quote from: cikljamas on February 27, 2015, 04:46:55 AM

Acenci, watch this:

New York - Helsinki : 4112 miles
Montevideo - Capetown : 4139 miles
...

Regarding your "new flat earth map", i have never seen such a bullshit in my whole life. Aren't you able to discern utter bullshit from something normal and sane?

Haven't you watch this video : False FLAT EARTH MAP deception : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Haven't you watch this video : Mark Sargents video ANTARCTICA No 7 : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Think!!!

Seriously, Cikjamas, this attitude of yours only discredits the FE idea. How can you not understand that it is totally counterproductive to write super long posts with meaningless redundant information and on top of that insult your fellow FE'ers? How many arguments are you going to make? Why not simply focus on one and explain it well instead of simply changing the subject and trying to convince using a totally different argument. It is a miracle people are still responding. Acenci simply said he wants to make such a map, because the current one is obviously wrong. Where is the bullshit in this? Are you claiming now the FE map is absolutely correct?