Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m

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ausGeoff

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #150 on: March 04, 2015, 04:10:25 PM »
I was really going to leave, but I can't leave these personal attacks unanswered.

No you weren't.  You just can't resist responding can you?  Admit it.. go on.  Or get out of here for good.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #151 on: March 04, 2015, 07:21:05 PM »
Year 1888, that is 7 years after Rowbotham's last edition of his "Earth not a globe"...Quite enough time for covering up operation...But they cannot cover up everything...
Either that, or someone was just wrong. Most likely seems Rowbotham. His track record isn't good, as any reasonably well educated and thinking person reading his works will immediately see.

Do you have access to the 1872 edition to see if the 1400 "Sea Miles" is actually what they said? If it is, do they document what this distance represents? Crying "conspiracy" because it's convenient again?

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During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.
Currents in an unexplored or little explored-ocean being different by about one mile per hour than expected is evidence of what, exactly?

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“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” -Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”
OK. And?

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“In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine - in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks - from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.” -Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”
Would you characterize losing a ship on rocks that were charted as "perfectly navigated"? I have no doubt that they were doing the best they were able using the tools available, but the result suggests the navigation wasn't "perfect". This is like saying "the operation was a success but the patient died."

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The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next [Note: 21600 nmi circumference of the equator is exactly one nmi per minute of longitude at the equator; that's the definition I've known. One minute of latitude, at your current latitude, is one "Sea Mile", approximately one nmi, but varies slightly with latitude]. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.
Citation needed! I have never heard of this definition of the statute mile. One reason for this is it's wrong. Wherever did you hear this? Did you ever think to check anything you repeat before simply puking it up here?

This definition of "statute mile" would make the statute mile about 40 microns less than a nautical mile.

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From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles.
Citation needed.

Your map shows < 6000 statute miles.

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These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.
Care to divulge where you heard that "9000 nmi?" It's clearly balderdash.

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THIS IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THE REASONS TO BELIEVE ROWBOTHAM'S WORDS, NOT THE WORDS OF NASA SHILLS...SO WE CAN REPEAT:

<repeated stuff from earlier post that's still wrong>

Nope. He's either lying, mistaken, or quoting incorrect information. It's as simple as that. Nothing has changed.

Again: Do not use Rowbotham's Zetetic Astronomy as a reference! It is not reliable.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #152 on: March 05, 2015, 06:27:34 AM »
Again: Do not use Rowbotham's Zetetic Astronomy as a reference! It is not reliable.

It ever ceases to amuse me immensely that the flat earthers rely [sic] solely on geophysical research that's 150 to 200 years out of date for most of their flat earth beliefs.  They seriously seem to think that primitive navigational instruments viewed under the soft glow of paraffin lanterns was (is?) superior to 21st century high-tech electronics.

Always good for a laugh.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #153 on: March 06, 2015, 08:01:43 AM »
I really don't understand why acenci and cikljamas got so offended. After all, the truth is born in an argument. The more we argue, the better for both sides. My only problem with any new claims is when someone expects everyone else to agree without providing good explanation. This is an explanation which you cannot deny. I mean, it should be clear when something can be denied or not. On top of that, accusing me of being a shill for not believing all their claims is a bit too much when many times I have personally tried to provide evidence in favor of flat Earth. It is just sad to see someone is paranoid. Let's have a discussion without being paranoid that everyone else is here with an agenda to destroy us. Let's not expect that people would agree because we're geniuses. If they don't understand try harder.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #154 on: March 06, 2015, 11:05:32 AM »
I really don't understand why acenci and cikljamas got so offended. After all, the truth is born in an argument. The more we argue, the better for both sides. My only problem with any new claims is when someone expects everyone else to agree without providing good explanation. This is an explanation which you cannot deny. I mean, it should be clear when something can be denied or not. On top of that, accusing me of being a shill for not believing all their claims is a bit too much when many times I have personally tried to provide evidence in favor of flat Earth. It is just sad to see someone is paranoid. Let's have a discussion without being paranoid that everyone else is here with an agenda to destroy us. Let's not expect that people would agree because we're geniuses. If they don't understand try harder.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #155 on: March 06, 2015, 11:36:31 AM »
I really don't understand why acenci and cikljamas got so offended. After all, the truth is born in an argument. The more we argue, the better for both sides. My only problem with any new claims is when someone expects everyone else to agree without providing good explanation. This is an explanation which you cannot deny. I mean, it should be clear when something can be denied or not. On top of that, accusing me of being a shill for not believing all their claims is a bit too much when many times I have personally tried to provide evidence in favor of flat Earth. It is just sad to see someone is paranoid. Let's have a discussion without being paranoid that everyone else is here with an agenda to destroy us. Let's not expect that people would agree because we're geniuses. If they don't understand try harder.
My thoughts exa....  well not exactly, sentiment is very close though.  The problem seems to be that people cannot understand that "because I made this other assumption thus proving my argument" is not proof of the argument, then they get upset when asked for clarification.  The immediate departure from the discussion into name calling is rather childish.  Its kind of like arguing with a 3 year old. 
I personally know you are not a shill, we don't allow you FE types lol.
But seriously, what Saros is trying to convey is that getting upset and acting the way some, not all, have been on this forum is not the way to get people to listen to you.  It actually takes away all your credibility and derails your discussion.  Listen to the others viewpoint, offer counterpoint, discuss differences, try to find common ground, and try to understand the others points.  Easy peasy, a serious discussion evolves.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #156 on: March 06, 2015, 11:48:43 PM »
We all know that when certain flat earthers start calling round earthers "shills" that they've basically run out of even this little bits of evidence they started out with, and have been backed into a corner with nowhere to go.

They also don't really understand what a shill is;  ultimately shills use their position in order to gain some sort of financial advantage, either primarily or from some third-party entity they're falsely promoting.  And I'm more than certain that no round earthers here are being paid to post our comments LOL.

I'd be more than happy if NASA, or the ESA or the ASRI were paying me a dollar for every comment I posted on these forums.    ;D

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #157 on: March 08, 2015, 04:49:32 AM »
I'd be more than happy if NASA, or the ESA or the ASRI were paying me a dollar for every comment I posted on these forums.    ;D

Me too :)
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #158 on: March 31, 2015, 11:06:25 AM »
To summarise, Acenci had it right;  There are direct flights from Sydney and NZ to Santiago, Chile whose flight times are consistent with distances for a spherical (non-flat) earth.

So, if the world is flat; what are possible the answers to this paradox?

1) The current flat earth maps are wrong.  But how exactly?
2) Some weird stuff occurs in the middle of the southern pacific ocean; where time, space and distances are warped. (Let's consider anything).
3) Other ideas? 

Let's face it, if the earth was flat and created by a divine being, anything is possible. What happens between NZ and Chile in the south pacific ocean does not have to fit with what we currently know of the world, physics, ....  But ultimately we would need to test and prove any concepts.

Logically, I think option 2 is most likely as the simplest and most elegant solution. Let's throw some ideas out there:
- Perhaps TIME slows down in the middle of the southern pacific ocean? This would work as planes would fly relatively faster and ships would sail relatively faster.  I wonder how this fits with Einstein's theories. But this would not solve the large amount of fuel needed to fly NZ - Chile.
- Or perhaps there is a large, high altitude, circular jet stream above the ocean. This would allow the aircraft to hitch a lift both directions.

Any constructive feedback?

 
« Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 12:57:02 PM by biggles2015 »

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ausGeoff

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #159 on: April 01, 2015, 01:37:54 AM »
2) Some weird stuff occurs in the middle of the southern pacific ocean; where time, space and distances are warped. (Let's consider anything).

Logically, I think option 2 is most likely as the simplest and most elegant solution. Let's throw some ideas out there:
- Perhaps TIME slows down in the middle of the southern pacific ocean? This would work as planes would fly relatively faster and ships would sail relatively faster.  I wonder how this fits with Einstein's theories. But this would not solve the large amount of fuel needed to fly NZ - Chile.
- Or perhaps there is a large, high altitude, circular jet stream above the ocean. This would allow the aircraft to hitch a lift both directions.
Any constructive feedback?
 

One only has to read the reams of disinformation about the purported "Bermuda Triangle" to realise that people—particularly conspiracy theorists (including most flat earthers)—are more than willing to jump on these sorts of fantasies to justify why they can't explain the supposedly inexplicable.

The most obvious answer to all air travel times matching the spherical earth model is that... wait for it... the earth is actually spherical.  International air flight times are one of the major issues that can't be explained coherently by any flat earth map or model.  There is no anomaly in time in the Pacific Ocean that's ever been reported or even postulated.  Likewise varying circular jet streams, which have all been more than accurately "mapped" and periodic variations well noted.


Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #160 on: April 04, 2015, 09:35:10 AM »
Then we are down to two options:
1) The maps of the world are wrong. Which is feasible given that this information is controlled by particular groups such as the USGS; 
2) The earth is a sphere.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #161 on: April 04, 2015, 04:35:01 PM »
Then we are down to two options:
1) The maps of the world are wrong. Which is feasible given that this information is controlled by particular groups such as the USGS; 
2) The earth is a sphere.

They are both true. It is impossible to directly and accurately transfer a spherical earth onto a flat piece of paper.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2015, 06:28:14 PM »
One question for moderators : When it becomes obvious that somebody is mentally ill person, shouldn't you restrict access (to such a person) to this forum?
Who is going to judge anyone's mental state on the internet. By the way, I just wanted to jump in and say good work to ckl on debunking the southern flight. Interesting. I have found that taking what you like and leaving the rest is a good way to go on here. You may judge someone now as shill or idiot, and find out later that they may have been speaking some truth. Everyone has different levels of expertise,different interests.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #163 on: April 09, 2015, 05:42:01 PM »
One question for moderators : When it becomes obvious that somebody is mentally ill person, shouldn't you restrict access (to such a person) to this forum?
Who is going to judge anyone's mental state on the internet. By the way, I just wanted to jump in and say good work to ckl on debunking the southern flight. Interesting. I have found that taking what you like and leaving the rest is a good way to go on here. You may judge someone now as shill or idiot, and find out later that they may have been speaking some truth. Everyone has different levels of expertise,different interests.
Can you please direct me to the debunking? I cant seem to find it.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #164 on: February 02, 2016, 09:05:58 AM »
I am new here, I am open to new ideas and flat earth does make sense, however I do know at least 2 persons that Flew Chile-Australia via LAN, the flight takes 13 hours. Anybody can explain this please?

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #165 on: February 02, 2016, 09:42:49 AM »
I just popped in at this point -  I haven't read all 12 pages of this discussion.

But I think it is very simple. Comparing actual distances on the globe with distances on a flat earth map.
Flat earth can't really supply an accurate map in the first place.
And the map that they do show is simply a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection - made from the globe.
Due to the nature of the projection of trying to make a flat map from the globe there is going to be distortion, especially south of the equator and that is why there is such a difference in distances between Sydney and Santiago. The distance on the globe is correct. The distance on the projection is incorrect. Simple.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #166 on: February 02, 2016, 07:41:17 PM »
I am new here, I am open to new ideas and flat earth does make sense, however I do know at least 2 persons that Flew Chile-Australia via LAN, the flight takes 13 hours. Anybody can explain this please?
Likewise, I don't see a problem!  The distance on the globe is a bit over 11,000 km.  Sounds about right for an East to West flight of 13 hours.
Dubai to Brisbane was a bit further and took around 12 hours, but that was West to East, so usually better winds.

But, then as far as I am conerned there is no question about it - the earth is a globe, nothing else fits!

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #167 on: February 02, 2016, 08:18:43 PM »
Didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been asked or answered already:

Why would being able to fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours necessarily be any different, regardless of whether the earth is spherical or flat?

Sounds to me like the standard FE maps, which were typically produced without the aid of technology/before technology existed, and/or by amateurs, is just not accurate- just as the RE map on my wall as i type this is not accurate, showing Greenland to be as large as the continent of Africa!

So, you can fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours.....that neither disproves a flat earth nor proves a round earth- it merely proves the distance between those two places.  I'm new at this, but I never bought into the "airline route" argument as a proof of FE- as I felt that it fit more into the category of circumsrtantial evidence. Oftentimes, circumstantial evidence is proffered as a red herring- i.e. get people to base their belief on a circumstantial argument, and then destroy that argument, and you thus destroy the person's faith in that belief. 

Just my $.02 -I'm not even a confirmed bonafide FEer yet, but in my book, this particular subject is irrelevant.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #168 on: February 02, 2016, 08:41:12 PM »
Didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been asked or answered already:

Why would being able to fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours necessarily be any different, regardless of whether the earth is spherical or flat?

Sounds to me like the standard FE maps, which were typically produced without the aid of technology/before technology existed, and/or by amateurs, is just not accurate- just as the RE map on my wall as i type this is not accurate, showing Greenland to be as large as the continent of Africa!

So, you can fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours.....that neither disproves a flat earth nor proves a round earth- it merely proves the distance between those two places.  I'm new at this, but I never bought into the "airline route" argument as a proof of FE- as I felt that it fit more into the category of circumsrtantial evidence. Oftentimes, circumstantial evidence is proffered as a red herring- i.e. get people to base their belief on a circumstantial argument, and then destroy that argument, and you thus destroy the person's faith in that belief. 

Just my $.02 -I'm not even a confirmed bonafide FEer yet, but in my book, this particular subject is irrelevant.

It is relevant for the same reason I can not make a flat map of a sphere without using projections.  If I tried things would be distorted and the map of not much use in most situations. A common projection used is the Mercator and has been used since around 1569.  The reason this was used is trying to make flat maps without using projections of a round surface lead to errors and make the maps unreliable for navigation.  People noticed the errors and found a solution.

You pointed out the distortion yourself.  You have a projection of the Earth on a flat surface that distorts the sizes of continents.  You can also get a map using a

If the Earth is flat then RE maps are wrong and would have huge errors in distance in some areas.  One of these is between Sydney and Santiago. Just eyeballing it the distance on FE would be at least 2x as long. 

With the shortest route being flying over North and South America.  On a RE the shortest route is flying a great circle route flying over the South Pacific relatively close to the Antarctic.

Flying near the Antarctic also poses a problem for FE theory.
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #169 on: February 02, 2016, 08:59:50 PM »
Didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been asked or answered already:

Why would being able to fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours necessarily be any different, regardless of whether the earth is spherical or flat?

Sounds to me like the standard FE maps, which were typically produced without the aid of technology/before technology existed, and/or by amateurs, is just not accurate- just as the RE map on my wall as i type this is not accurate, showing Greenland to be as large as the continent of Africa!

So, you can fly from Sydney to Santiago in 13 hours.....that neither disproves a flat earth nor proves a round earth- it merely proves the distance between those two places.  I'm new at this, but I never bought into the "airline route" argument as a proof of FE- as I felt that it fit more into the category of circumsrtantial evidence. Oftentimes, circumstantial evidence is proffered as a red herring- i.e. get people to base their belief on a circumstantial argument, and then destroy that argument, and you thus destroy the person's faith in that belief. 

Just my $.02 -I'm not even a confirmed bonafide FEer yet, but in my book, this particular subject is irrelevant.

It is relevant for the same reason I can not make a flat map of a sphere without using projections.  If I tried things would be distorted and the map of not much use in most situations. A common projection used is the Mercator and has been used since around 1569.  The reason this was used is trying to make flat maps without using projections of a round surface lead to errors and make the maps unreliable for navigation.  People noticed the errors and found a solution.

You pointed out the distortion yourself.  You have a projection of the Earth on a flat surface that distorts the sizes of continents.  You can also get a map using a different projection that represent the sizes of the continents.  The problem with that map projection is I can not draw straight lines on it and use those lines to navigate.  A Mercator projection, while giving distortions, allows me to draw straight lines to plot courses and get accurate distances.

If the Earth is flat then RE maps are wrong and would have huge errors in distance in some areas.  One of these is between Sydney and Santiago. Just eyeballing it the distance on FE would be at least 2x as long. 

With the shortest route being flying over North and South America.  On a RE the shortest route is flying a great circle route flying over the South Pacific relatively close to the Antarctic.

Flying near the Antarctic also poses a problem for FE theory.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #170 on: February 03, 2016, 09:43:24 AM »
The problem visually...

The typical FE map people use is this one:


It has THE SAME DISTORTIONS as this one:


Most people don't have a problem with the 1st/"normal" one because they don't live south of the equator (especially far south). The distances are more correct south of the equator on the 2nd one but NO ONE would use it because EVERYONE knows the distances north of the equator are WRONG. It is not 25,000+ miles from Europe to Alaska (and even shorter to go through Antarctica!). So if the 2nd one is WRONG, the 1st one is equally WRONG for the same reasons.

When people from the south dispute distances, they are summarily ignored by FEers.
(http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65608.msg1754395#msg1754395)
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Then as a rebuttal, FEers say "oh, but those maps ARE WRONG because the are azimuthal projections of a SPHERICAL Earth". But the FE FANTASY does not have a model or map at all! There is nothing to argue about at all, for or against (just various ad hoc explanations - model parts - as needed). There is no FE model/map!!!
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #172 on: February 10, 2016, 11:57:01 PM »
this might help..
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That video is pure bs,  the flight times for QF27 and QF28 are pretty much the same.   He claims  19 hours for SCL to SYD,  but deliberately misreads the schedules.  It's more like 13 hours.

SCL to SYD  https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28
SYD to SCL  https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #173 on: February 16, 2016, 02:05:46 AM »
What is this?

Adventure Life's Antarctica tours

http://www.adventure-life.com/antarctica

Airlines given permission to fly over North Pole for the first time slashing the hours to exotic destinations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078301/Mind-sleigh-Airlines-given-permission-fly-North-Pole-time-slashing-hours-exotic-destinations.html

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #174 on: March 04, 2016, 07:50:09 PM »
Can someone correct me on this.  You FE'ers are upset about the Chile to Australia flight, but there are thousands of flights which contradict your map (i.e. CPA888 from Hong Kong to Vancouver should fly directly North over China according to your map, but instead it flies directly out over the Pacific and follows a predictably curved route.  I'm not sure why any airline would deliberately go out of their way (by such and incredibly large margin) just to pretend the earth was round.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #175 on: March 04, 2016, 08:23:58 PM »
Can someone correct me on this.  You FE'ers are upset about the Chile to Australia flight, but there are thousands of flights which contradict your map (i.e. CPA888 from Hong Kong to Vancouver should fly directly North over China according to your map, but instead it flies directly out over the Pacific and follows a predictably curved route.  I'm not sure why any airline would deliberately go out of their way (by such and incredibly large margin) just to pretend the earth was round.
Oh, but they have to preserve this massive conspiracy! - NASA probably pays then out of their 0.45% of the US Budget
Mind you for this expenditure NASA also provides GPS, weather, ocean temperature, crop and land surveillance and other services!
And whatever you say GPS works extremely well and is free to the end user.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #176 on: March 04, 2016, 08:31:08 PM »
But I've been on that flight and its roughly 6300 miles and takes about 11 1/2 hrs at 550 miles per hour, which is consistent both with my experience and what is published.

Where's the conspiracy with that?

Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #177 on: March 05, 2016, 01:26:20 AM »
Someone go on the flight, get a window seat take your video camera with extra batteries/memory cards and record the flight through the window. See if the plane flies over the United States. Also use a GPS tracker app on your phone to record the flight path. Anyone who does this must conclude the earth is round.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #178 on: March 05, 2016, 04:55:04 AM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.

I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :

Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #179 on: March 05, 2016, 05:00:46 AM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.

I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :

Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?
Where are recently verified FE proofs?