Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route
Already been covered.

It seems that you didn't understand : If passengers on those flights (close (enough) to the Antarctic) are not able (during THE LARGEST PART of these flights) to see the polar icebergs and Antarctic land (also), then there is something wrong with their flight-routes.

Acenci, have you skipped this part:

Boeing 777 has a cruising speed of 640 miles/hour = 1024 km/h

7400 miles (11840 km) comes in at around 12 hours.

Try to find this route.

It doesn't exist.

It can't!

The closest i came was a one connection flight with a 3 hours layover.

The total flight time was 20 hours.

20 hours, take away 3 hours, it's 17 hours, not 12 hours!!!

Go ahead, try yourself...

You may find 1 NON-STOP (flight), but even then, the strangeness doesn't end there, because the speed is wrong...

17 (hours) * 1024 km/h = 17 408 km, NOT 11 800 km!!!

AND HE DIDN'T EVEN FLY, THIS WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT OF BOOKING FLIGHT!!!

Listen once more : #t=5m21s" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">#t=5m21s

It seems that you have skipped this part also:

Acenci says: But I think our flat earth map is still slightly wrong, otherwise the trip should have taken almost 4 times as long as on a spherical earth.

No, it would take about 2 times more than on a spherical Earth

Compare the distance between LA and Rome vs the distance between Santiago and Sydney using this map:

Look, I am not denying that the earth is flat, but if you look at my previous post, you at least have to agree that the Flat Earth Society's map is wrong. That is, if you are claiming that the UN map is different from it (and not just drawn approximately).

We have to stop discussing this flight and start discussing maps.

Before dropping the subject, you should clarify your objections:

1) whether you think the flight does not take place.
2) whether you think the plane goes faster, to deceive us on the distance.
3) what the real distance is and how long it takes the plane to cover it.

Personally, I believe the flight takes place and in the normal time, but maybe the plane goes faster and at the same time our map is wrong. Or maybe it does not go faster, and then our map is completely wrong.

1) The flight does take place
2) The plane goes faster to deceive us
3) This has yet to be determined, but it won't be easy...

The plane goes faster and at the same time our map is wrong.

Now, we can start discussing our maps if you like... 

I must go now, but i'll be back in a few hours...

P.S. I am not upset, don't worry...

Quote from: cikljamas on March 01, 2015, 09:55:49 AM

Quote from: acenci on March 01, 2015, 09:37:16 AM

Look, I am not denying that the earth is flat, but if you look at my previous post, you at least have to agree that the Flat Earth Society's map is wrong. That is, if you are claiming that the UN map is different from it (and not just drawn approximately).

We have to stop discussing this flight and start discussing maps.

Before dropping the subject, you should clarify your objections:

1) whether you think the flight does not take place.
2) whether you think the plane goes faster, to deceive us on the distance.
3) what the real distance is and how long it takes the plane to cover it.

Personally, I believe the flight takes place and in the normal time, but maybe the plane goes faster and at the same time our map is wrong. Or maybe it does not go faster, and then our map is completely wrong.

1) The flight does take place
2) The plane goes faster to deceive us
3) This has yet to be determined, but it won't be easy...

The plane goes faster and at the same time our map is wrong.

Now, we can start discussing our maps if you like... 

I must go now, but i'll be back in a few hours...

P.S. I am not upset, don't worry...

Bingo!

Then we agree on everything.

why should a plane go faster to deceive us?  Or slower?

Acenci, are you sure that this flight is a NON-STOP flight?

It seems to me that i have spotted at least two take off (this video has 3 parts, am i right?)...

I am watching right now, at 3 different flight radars, and i don't see any flight whatsoever between SA - Africa - Australia...

You have to see these tables:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight

In these tables you won't find even one single flight between SA - Africa - Australia...

Now, try to figure out next few facts and then combine them in one entirety:

1. No flights across Antarctica
2. Passengers on alleged NON-STOP flights between Australia and South America are not able to see Antarctica...
3. Flight Radars show no flights between SA - Africa - Australia
4. There isn't one single NON-STOP flight in tables above between SA - Africa - Australia

This video is very interesting, i suggest you to watch this video carefully (even if you have already watched it before) : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What is your conclusion?

how far do you think the flight path in your point #2 actually is fro the Antarctic coast line?
remember you cant see very far cos of the aether or some other notion

Acenci, are you sure that this flight is a NON-STOP flight?

It seems to me that i have spotted at least two take off (this video has 3 parts, am i right?)...

I am watching right now, at 3 different flight radars, and i don't see any flight whatsoever between SA - Africa - Australia...

You have to see these tables:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight

In these tables you won't find even one single flight between SA - Africa - Australia...

Now, try to figure out next few facts and then combine them in one entirety:

1. No flights across Antarctica
2. Passengers on alleged NON-STOP flights between Australia and South America are not able to see Antarctica...
3. Flight Radars show no flights between SA - Africa - Australia
4. There isn't one single NON-STOP flight in tables above between SA - Africa - Australia

This video is very interesting, i suggest you to watch this video carefully (even if you have already watched it before) : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What is your conclusion?

Acenci, i don't know what is your conclusion, but i would like to know what will others conclude out of this:

What is going on here?

The alleged distance to Santiago from Auckland is 6010 miles / 9672.16 km / 5222.55 nautical miles!

What do we see in Acenci's video in the beginning of the first part of the same video?

Do you believe what your eyes see:



Do you think that this is some kind of mistake?

Watch this:



So, they have flown, they have already spent in the air 19 hours, and they still haven't arrived in Auckland, who is crazy here?

So, 19 hours flight should be compatible with 19000 km (NOT 9672,16 km!!!), if they flew 1000 km/h (which is in accordance with boeing's 777 cruising speed), but watch what their propaganda tells us what is the actual speed of that airplane:



Now, take off from Auckland to Sydney:



A new Fake speed  :



So after ONE HOUR layover in Auckland, and additional few hours flight they finally arrive in Sydney:



So 23 hours total flight (not 12,5 hours), take away 1 hour layover (in Auckland), it's 22 hours of flight which is not even NON - STOP flight at all!!!

22 hours * 1100 km/h = 24 200 km which is doubled distance between Sydney and LA, for example...

PERFECTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH FET MAP!!!

How about that???

The average flight time from Sydney to LA is 14 hours.  It can be done in about 13 hours.

What the hell are you on about?

I watched this video once more, there is one correction:

They flew from Iquique - Chile to Santiago - Chile 1,5 hours, this 1,5 hours has to be substracted from 19 hours (full flight-time on relation: Iquique - Santiago - Auckland), so they still flew 17 hours and 30 minutes between Santiago - Chile and Auckland - New Zealand!

So, let's say that their flight-speed was 900 km/h, what would be the distance between Santiago and Auckland? 15,700 km (NOT 9670 km)...

But what if their speed was 1100 km/h? Then the distance between Santiago and Auckland is 19,250 km!!!

P.S. Jimmy, who is talking about the flight-time between Sydney and LA? Are you still on heavy drugs?

I watched this video once more, there is one correction:

They flew from Iquique - Chile to Santiago - Chile 1,5 hours, this 1,5 hours has to be substracted from 19 hours (full flight-time on relation: Iquique - Santiago - Auckland), so they still flew 17 hours and 30 minutes between Santiago - Chile and Auckland - New Zealand!

So, let's say that their flight-speed was 900 km/h, what would be the distance between Santiago and Auckland? 15,700 km (NOT 9670 km)...

But what if their speed was 1100 km/h? Then the distance between Santiago and Auckland is 19,250 km!!!

P.S. Jimmy, who is talking about the flight-time between Sydney and LA? Are you still on heavy drugs?

Only a total troll may start questioning whether the flights are real or not and whether the pilots actually fly longer than they should.

This is where conspiracy ends and lunacy starts. We're not talking about space flights, but regular flights here on Earth.

You might as well check whether the trains from Paris to Berlin take as long as it is supposed to take according to the FE map or whether Italy is indeed in Europe. Perhaps you might want to double-check whether Croatia is not in fact an island!

When you can't add anything to one of your other arguments, it doesn't mean you should start making up stuff just to keep the debate going on forever. What makes you think the UN logo map or any other FE maps are correct? Are you suddenly a cartographer? Question as much as you want but when your arguments are ridiculous, expect ridiculous replies too. What you completely lack is humility.

You sure are full of yourself to think no one would notice every single flight is late by 8 hours. Especially since every single person would miss their connecting flight.

Do you know the difference between air speed and ground speed?

Saros, why don't you just keep follow your guru Zib Rahman who has already been ridiculed by kids who are still in elementary school? Remember: Antarctica is in the middle of the flat earth, Polaris makes circles around the earth, and the north pole is all around us... 

When we can expect your improved Zib Rahman-Saros fet map of the world?

We shall call this map Rahman-Saros FE map, in your honor!

Quote from: cikljamas on March 02, 2015, 05:55:54 AM

I watched this video once more, there is one correction:

They flew from Iquique - Chile to Santiago - Chile 1,5 hours, this 1,5 hours has to be substracted from 19 hours (full flight-time on relation: Iquique - Santiago - Auckland), so they still flew 17 hours and 30 minutes between Santiago - Chile and Auckland - New Zealand!

So, let's say that their flight-speed was 900 km/h, what would be the distance between Santiago and Auckland? 15,700 km (NOT 9670 km)...

But what if their speed was 1100 km/h? Then the distance between Santiago and Auckland is 19,250 km!!!

P.S. Jimmy, who is talking about the flight-time between Sydney and LA? Are you still on heavy drugs?

I am back with you guys 100%.

For the past week I was just clinging to my curvature formula as proof for a flat earth, but now that I've watched both the Polish video (cf. video below) and read your post breaking down that video by the Chilean Youtuber's video, I am fully back in the community.

With a pinch of cheating in the speed, with frequent delays (as posted in previous posts, from tripadvisor), with the fact that all these flights are never tracked, with the fact that their courses do not make sense (cf. following video)... put all these things together and even the flight routes alone demonstrate a flat earth.

For all the sheeple listening, just watch the following video starting at minute 5 and not only will you be convinced of flat earth, but you won't believe in the force of gravity anymore:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">FALSE FLAT EARTH MAP DECEPTION. Polaris is stationary. North is north and south is south!

I am glad you are back with us! 

Isn't that mind boggling for how much off is everything (flight-distances and flight-time) about this flight?

This is almost better than non-existing authentic NASA images of the Earth (from space), or authentic NASA images of international space station, or authentic NASA images of the Earth from the Moon...etc...

Quote from: cikljamas on March 02, 2015, 05:55:54 AM

I watched this video once more, there is one correction:

They flew from Iquique - Chile to Santiago - Chile 1,5 hours, this 1,5 hours has to be substracted from 19 hours (full flight-time on relation: Iquique - Santiago - Auckland), so they still flew 17 hours and 30 minutes between Santiago - Chile and Auckland - New Zealand!

So, let's say that their flight-speed was 900 km/h, what would be the distance between Santiago and Auckland? 15,700 km (NOT 9670 km)...

But what if their speed was 1100 km/h? Then the distance between Santiago and Auckland is 19,250 km!!!

P.S. Jimmy, who is talking about the flight-time between Sydney and LA? Are you still on heavy drugs?

I am back with you guys 100%.

For the past week I was just clinging to my curvature formula as proof for a flat earth, but now that I've watched both the Polish video (cf. video below) and read your post breaking down that video by the Chilean Youtuber's video, I am fully back in the community.

With a pinch of cheating in the speed, with frequent delays (as posted in previous posts, from tripadvisor), with the fact that all these flights are never tracked, with the fact that their courses do not make sense (cf. following video)... put all these things together and even the flight routes alone demonstrate a flat earth.

For all the sheeple listening, just watch the following video starting at minute 5 and not only will you be convinced of flat earth, but you won't believe in the force of gravity anymore:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">FALSE FLAT EARTH MAP DECEPTION. Polaris is stationary. North is north and south is south!

Can you please explain what you believe in, because I didn't understand anything from your posting. The linked video is interesting indeed, however, in my opinion it is very unlikely that is the case. I guess the reason why it sounds so convincing is because no one has time to waste to debunk the claims made in it as they sound so absurd. But still, could you make a list of your beliefs to know at least what you stand for. By the way, I read earlier you said you don't understand math, but you chose the curvature formula to be your evidence for FE, how's that work? Now without being a pilot or a flight dispatcher you conclude the flights are faked and the distances don't match. Why should I believe you? Are you not cikljamas by any chance?

I disagree with ridiculing anyone. Don't forget what it feels like to be ridiculed. He has a theory that you don't agree with. But I think many of his other theories are correct. I think Zhib Rhan is an excellent and admirable person. He is fighting for what he thinks is the truth, and he is not being paid to lie. What more can we ask for?

A little bit seriousness and sanity!

Is this too much to expect from any adult person?

Saros is unable to understand such a simple concept as ZIGZAG argument is....If he is unable to understand such a simple concept AFTER SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY THAT I INVESTED IN EXPLAINING THIS ARGUMENT then he should at lest be humble and keep his mouth shut (regarding that particular issue which he doesn't understand) instead of attempting to ridicule ME and my important argument which he doesn't understand in the first place.

Regarding Zib Rahman, come on man, don't make me laugh, even kids who are still in elementary school ridicule his videos....This guy needs help...

If he continue to do what he does, Saros is going to make much more damage to our attempts of keeping our discussion constructive, than all round-earthers together.

Now, one question for you: If you understand spanish so well, how come that i (instead of you) had to reveal all these HUGE inconsistencies and discrepancies within this video?

Too many questions. My answer to you is that there can only be one of us in the end, it's like the movie Highlander. Right now cikljamas and I belong to that 0.001% who know the truth, but in the end we will reach further truths and we will not agree on everything as we do right now, so that in the end only one person will possess the truth.

Regarding your skepticism on my Math, I know enough math to thoroughly understand that curvature formula.

If you are in good faith, you will also understand the other truths that I have reached. It's useless to try to force the truth into you. If instead you just wanted to ridicule me, go ahead. I am used to it.

But if you didn't, then be patient, keep exploring and you will reach our level of truth.

Hahaha, so it is not about simply believing the Earth is flat one needs to be a part of your elite 0,001% which you have determined yourself? Well, in that case I can make up my own elite group and we can play like kids here all day. Sure, you and cikljamas would never join my elite 0,0000001% group, because you don't know the truth. Funny guy! By the way, aren't you at least curious why you're allowed to write all this bullshit and discuss it freely here or on youtube? Why can anyone post a YT video on any topic with no consequences despite the great conspiracy? If there was a real conspiracy hiding the truth, if anyone got really close to it, there would definitely be severe consequences and attempts to silence them. Logically, none of you are even close to any truth, otherwise you would not have the chance to discuss it here or anywhere for that matter. The fact that you could do that proves there is no conspiracy about this. Try it, continue making up stuff, perhaps eventually you would hit a nerve somewhere.

Quote from: acenci on March 02, 2015, 06:39:47 AM

I disagree with ridiculing anyone. Don't forget what it feels like to be ridiculed. He has a theory that you don't agree with. But I think many of his other theories are correct. I think Zhib Rhan is an excellent and admirable person. He is fighting for what he thinks is the truth, and he is not being paid to lie. What more can we ask for?

A little bit seriousness and sanity!

Is this too much to expect from any adult person?

Saros is unable to understand such a simple concept as ZIGZAG argument is....If he is unable to understand such a simple concept AFTER SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY THAT I INVESTED IN EXPLAINING THIS ARGUMENT then he should at lest be humble and keep his mouth shut (regarding that particular issue which he doesn't understand) instead of attempting to ridicule ME and my important argument which he doesn't understand in the first place.

Regarding Zib Rahman, come on man, don't make me laugh, even kids who are still in elementary school ridicule his videos....This guy needs help...

If he continue to do what he does, Saros is going to make much more damage to our attempts of keeping our discussion constructive, than all round-earthers together.

Now, one question for you: If you understand spanish so well, how come that i (instead of you) had to reveal all these HUGE inconsistencies and discrepancies within this video?

You have explained it so well that no one besides you has understood it. At first glance, it sounds meaningful, but like everything you say it just appears correct while it is always wrong.

I will defend all who speak in good faith. And if I disagree, I will just say that I disagree. No one in good faith deserves to be ridiculed. On the other hand, if they're getting paid to lie, then go ahead and ridicule them. But I don't think it's the case with Zhib Rhan.

I don't ridicule anyone with evil/sinister intentions, i am not driven by satanic motives (as NASA shills), but i will not allow some clowns (weather they are NASA shills or FET dumbasses) to distract me in this serious task...

"If i am getting paid to lie"...what is that supposed to mean???

P.S. You didn't even answer my question...

I don't mind that i had to do this job (revealing HUGE inconsistencies in that video) instead of you, i am just curious, how come that you didn't notice it???

It is not easy task to upset me, i am not upset even now (regarding Saros issue), don't worry, but when i have to say to someone (for example: to Saros) "beat it" i will tell him "beat it"...

I think there was a misunderstanding. I didn't accuse you of being a government agent. I said, feel free to ridicule the government agents. Regarding Zhib Rhan, he is not an agent, so I will respect him and I hope you will, too.

Why didn't I find the discrepancies... I hope you are not accusing me of being a government agent. I did not notice them because they weren't that noticeable, and because I had done plenty of work on this, and I was tired. A large part of what convinced me was the Polish video you posted. So, your extra help was useful but not enough to fully convince me: the Polish video was very important. Thank you for your help.

Acenci, what good does it do if we respected Zib Rahman's good will? O.K., i respect his good will, but since he spreads such a bs theories all across the internet his good will comes down to bad (will) results. We should be focused to someones results, not to someones good will. Way to hell is paved with good intentions, have you ever heard for this proverb?

Regarding the dicrepancies: Thank you very much for your explanation!

Now, we can take up where we left off...

At the end of the day it turned out that your video became excellent FET proof, what do you think?

Aren't you amazed with such an unexpected proof in favor of FET?

Yes, good points.

I believe that only good things can come from the truth, so just as I sincerely stated my doubts, within my general belief in a flat earth, and this produced a good outcome (it would have been good, too, if it had convinced us of spherical earth)...

...in the same way you should not be bothered by what Zhib says, because:

1) if you think he's crazy, you should respect him, because that would not be his fault
2) if you think he's lying (but you don't) you should denounce it
3) if you think he's wrong but not crazy, you should try to convince him, and if his theory is so bad, there is no reason to be bothered by it, because the smart ones will discard it

I don't see any reason to deride him. Furthermore, his other videos are all good, and he shows what a good person he is.

I can agree with everything you just have said!

Yes, if the earth were round i would accept it without any reluctance...The truth is in the first place! God is Truth!

1) Correctly
2) Even better than that, i would ignore it...
3) I am not bothered with his stupid theory, Saros is, Saros adores his theories, and then he adores to bother me with his theories...what a pain in my ass...and when i answer him that i am not delighted to be bothered with such a stupid theories, then Saros becomes horrible revenger...funny guy...

If Zib Rahman is a good person, i am very happy about that, God bless him, i wish him all the luck in this world, however, i would suggest to him to find some other hobby, this is not for him...end of story...

So now, you two have decided that the flight takes much longer than posted and happens.  I guess the Jrowe's aether must cause wormholes now also.  I guess the flight I took from Chile to New Zealand rode the wormhole wave and got me there in 12 hours. 
There is no possible way my flight lasted only 12 hours if your Flat Earth map is correct. 
What was I doing in South America?
I was climbing a mountain with my Father, Brother, and 2 of my close friends. 
Why did I fly to New Zealand?
We had to abandon our attempt to reach the summit due to health issues of my father, who is in his 60s.  I remained behind while my brother accompanied my father home.  My wife and I decided to meet up in New Zealand for the remainder of my military leave instead of me just returning home.
How do I know how long the flight took.  I called my wife right before boarding the plane and after departing it, take away to 20 minutes waiting on the tarmac to take off and the 25 minutes from touchdown till I got into the airport was around 12 hours and 5 or 10 minutes.  I remained awake for the entire flight, I was still worried about my father and was in a rush for updates about him. 
Side note:  he was fine, mild oxygen toxicity due to my father hitting his supplemental tank too much caused him to become disoriented.  He was fine once we got back to lower base camp.
Now, unless I am fabricating this entire story to give a slight doubt as to the correctness of the Flat Earth model, why would I tell you this?
Because it is what happened, if you want to still believe in a flat Earth then do so, but understand the current map does not match up with reality for the Southern hemisphere.  Either 1, look at your map and try to reconcile it or 2 listen to what some others are telling you from personal experiences and think.

Mickey, i don't believe you a single word, but if you are so sure that you are right, then i suppose you can easily explain away all the problems that you will find in this post : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62950.msg1665796#msg1665796

Acenci, I have lost one friend (Saros) because of this clown, i don't want to lose another friend because of him, i am done with this guy, for good. If you like this guy, that's fine with me, but as i said, i am done with this guy, FOR GOOD.

Thanks for your understanding!

Whoah there, never let fear stop you from trying something that you want to do.  Also understand that flight travel is by far one of the safest ways to travel, statistically speaking of course.  Now if your car breaks down you can pull over, but it the plane breaks down over water, well thats not gonna come out well.
Conspiracy wise, the air travel industry would not stand for knowingly allowing planes to be crashed on purpose.  Look at how hard their business was hit after 911.  Whether planes were used or not, the scare caused many people to stop flying and bankrupted some of the businesses.  You cannot make money if no one uses your service.
I am serious about what happened to me personally.  Does it alone disprove the FE, no, but it does throw some serious questions regarding the current accepted FE map. 

Mickey, i don't believe you a single word, but if you are so sure that you are right, then i suppose you can easily explain away all the problems that you will find in this post : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62950.msg1665796#msg1665796

Acenci, I have lost one friend (Saros) because of this clown, i don't want to lose another friend because of him, i am done with this guy, for good. If you like this guy, that's fine with me, but as i said, i am done with this guy, FOR GOOD.

Thanks for your understanding!

Well, that is just nice of you to say there.  I give you an honest account from my own experiences, and you immediately say I'm lying.  Why would I lie?  I even said it doesn't disprove your ideas of a FE.  I just said it calls into question the map you are using. 
I can't watch your videos right now, maybe later when I return home.  Plus I can't speak for some one else's experiences only my own.  You try to portray me as someone out to get you personally.  Trust me, I have nothing against you, you amuse me, but I have no malevolent feelings towards you.  I think you are wrong about some of your assumptions, and I think you are struggling to find something to win at since you seem to think people are picking on you when they disagree with you.  You need a friend, I offered in another post.  The offer is still there.  BTW what did I do to cost you a friend anyway?  If I did something, let me know and I will do my best to rectify it.

Awesome, continue to believe what you believe.  Don't just throw out all evidence though until you can disprove it.  But with your videos as counter to my experiences feel free to continue to search for evidence and think for yourself.  It won't hurt my feelings in any way.  Like I said I offer evidence, not proof.  I do not know anyone who was on my flight with me so it cannot be independently verified via personal experience from anyone in this forum, so this should not be considered proof from your frame of reference, just mine. 

Mickey, you have proven who you are when you automatically dismissed (with no sane explanation) two very plausible FET arguments:

1. ZIGZAG argument
2. TILT argument (the Earth cannot be tilted becuase IN THE SAME TIME there is fully raised Sun above West Coast of Africa, and above East Coast of Australia) (see GLOBAL CONSPIRACY thread)

Your credibility is permanently demolished when you did what you did (see above)

On top of that, how come that you haven't even tried to make at least one single referrence regarding the post with plenty problems for RET : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62950.msg1665796#msg1665796

Mickey, i don't believe you a single word, but if you are so sure that you are right, then i suppose you can easily explain away all the problems that you will find in this post : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62950.msg1665796#msg1665796

Acenci, I have lost one friend (Saros) because of this clown, i don't want to lose another friend because of him, i am done with this guy, for good. If you like this guy, that's fine with me, but as i said, i am done with this guy, FOR GOOD.

Thanks for your understanding!

For the 100th time, I don't think what Zhib Rhan says is necessary true. But it is youtube and you can express your views even if they sound totally insane. You're the one who decided he is my guru based on your own vivid imagination. That is totally insane and discredits your character. I just think he makes interesting videos, because he expresses his own beliefs. But why am I explaining this to you when you clearly are very self-obsessed and don't care if what you say offends someone. However, acenci is right that only a stuck-up and malevolent person would completely ignore someone's opinion so aggressively. Opinion is an opinion and it is a person's right. You don't have the right to call someone an idiot for having a different opinion. But you don't understand that, right? Someone is a friend as long as they agree with you 100%. Ask acenci, if he believes in your zigzag argument.

Yeah, Saros, good points. Nobody's perfect.

Cikljamas, don't get offended. I am like you as well, so let's try to moderate and tone down each other when we are getting too cocky and arrogant.

I, too, have the tendency to say that whoever doesn't agree with me is a sheeple or a shill.

Let us try to moderate this problem. I feel close to Zhib, because of his sincerity and anti-conformism, so I defended him on this occasion. But probably I attack in the same way others who don't agree with me and who don't remind me of myself.

So let us acknowledge this limit we have.

On the other hand, let us not forget that we would not be able to stand by the truth, despite being up against 99.99% of people if we weren't so self-centered, egocentric, individualistic, and wrapped up in ourselves.

If we were your average person, right now, we would not be discussing our theories but we would be watching soccer on TV like the rest of the idiots. Or we would be arguing, like others on this forum, about why the majority is right. But, thanks to our free thinking, self-reliance, independence, and individualism, we say "screw the majority". The side-effect is that we often say "screw everyone except those who agree with me".

But I have been improving myself lately and now I say "screw the majority" but I also support minorities, even if they don't agree with me.

It is good you realize you're too arrogant, but it would be better if you start realizing that what you believe to be true may actually be wrong as well, that some of the crazy ideas you come up with are just crazy. Being non-conformist and self-centered doesn't mean you're a genius or you're right about stuff. The chances are you're wrong most of the time, so it is ridiculous to point this out as an advantage.
I see nothing great about desperately trying to guess how things really are and proposing a billion fantastic theories even if one of them turns out to be correct by chance. What about all the failed attempts of being right? Imagine you ask a friend to tell you the capital of France, but instead of responding Paris he starts guessing and lists 20 capitals before eventually getting it right. Does it make him very bright?

By the way, I still think you're joking, most of what you write doesn't seem sincere. I am guessing you appeared to parody cikljamas. You're doing a great job! Congrats.

Nope. I happen to think the earth is flat, and, as Samuel Jackson would put it, "your ass ain't talkin' your way out of this shit".

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I believe in the flat earth, and I don't care if I am with the 0.001%. The earth is flat and sooner or later you will find out, too. But probably you will find out only when you feel comforted by another 51% of the population being on your side.

So, talk to you in 10 years, when this fact will become mainstream knowledge. Provided we're not all chipped by then, and in that case I don't know who they'll kill first.

I don't know if they'll first kill the opposers or the sheeple. I think they have a plan to kill a few billion sheeple.

OK, that is the problem. You and cikljamas assume everyone else thinks the Earth is a sphere and only you suspect it's flat. You think you need to convince everyone else. Guess what. You're wrong. Other people believe the Earth is flat too, but don't act like dicks.

The Earth might be flat, but your arguments are weak. That is why people argue with you. I don't believe it is a sphere either, but I don't come here shouting that everything I say is correct, just because I said so.

You can't make weak arguments and then expect others to believe you.

I think that you guys don't believe in flat Earth, because if you did, you wouldn't be making arguments which can easily be refuted and would be more careful how you present yourself.

It is almost as if you want to discredit the idea that the Earth is flat by pretending you're a flat Earther and making stupid arguments supposedly to prove it. You're not convincing people this way. The opposite, if someone believes in flat Earth after reading the crap Cikjamas writes they might re-consider.

So, think about it. Look at my perspective's videos, he is very modest and takes time to explain stuff. Doesn't insult people and tell them they are idiots. Despite all that, it is not guaranteed he is correct. About these things you can never be 100% sure, and if someone is 100% sure that means he is a brainwashed mushroom. As if the point is not to think but to blindly believe in it. That is almost cultish..