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Quote from: kman on February 17, 2015, 02:07:12 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 17, 2015, 01:54:41 PM

Certain rocks do glow, depending on what they're composed of. Calctie, for example. Which is what the moon is made of.

you still haven't provided evidence to support your calcite moon hypothesis. Calcite only glows under UV light, so unless there's a big uv flashlight behind the moon, calcite is probably not responsible for its "glowing"

Aether has UV properties, which is why the Moon appears glows at night.

Are you saying humans can see ultraviolet wavelengths?

Are you saying humans can see ultraviolet wavelengths?

Uhhhh. No?

Unless you have your lens removed.

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rocks. do. not. glow.

Errm, you are the one claiming the moons glows.  Everyone else is just claiming it reflects light.  Make up your mind.

the moon is not a rock, you idiot. no rock 'reflects' anywhere near as much light as you say the moon does. the moon, much like the sun, gives light. it is not as bright, but it is brighter than rock can be.
the sun only shines during the day, how does any light even get to this magically uber-reflective rock of yours at night?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 17, 2015, 11:25:01 AM

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rocks. do. not. glow.

Errm, you are the one claiming the moons glows.  Everyone else is just claiming it reflects light.  Make up your mind.

the moon is not a rock, you idiot. no rock 'reflects' anywhere near as much light as you say the moon does. the moon, much like the sun, gives light. it is not as bright, but it is brighter than rock can be.
the sun only shines during the day, how does any light even get to this magically uber-reflective rock of yours at night?

You must be trolling now to suggest the sun does not shine at night.

You don't have any evidence to suggest the moon is against ball of gas, do you?

the moon is not a rock, you idiot. no rock 'reflects' anywhere near as much light as you say the moon does. the moon, much like the sun, gives light. it is not as bright, but it is brighter than rock can be.

If the moon gives light, then why does it have phases?  And why is the light part of the moon facing the sun?

Pay attention, people.
The moon is like the sun. i am not saying it is made of gas, i have not been there, but it is like the sun in that it is a source of light, if a less intense one. rocks are never as bright as this moon you've magicked up. they do not glow, they do not reflect anywhere near as much light as you claim the moon does.
Think for yourselves. have you ever seen a rock that shines pure white? very convenient that this moon is exactly like the sun in color.

the sun cannot shine on the moon at night. for round earthers, it's on the wrong side of the world. the moon is visible because it gives its own light, but it is similar to the sun: it is a spotlight, light coming from only one side. i have seen the aether spoken of here, and i believe that fills in the gaps in what i know, as it explains how the moon rotates so that only the illuminated side may face the earth.

i suspect the sun and moon are a kind of metal. we know metal is naturally occurring: this also explains the supposed presence of human artifacts on the moon, whose reflectiveness can be observed. actually, it's the natural metal being observed. this metal, powered as it is, forms a circuit, similar to a light bulb: much of its view is obstructed by the rock that metal is naturally contained in, but it is enough.

First if all, we know that the sun is a giant ball of gas through spectroscopy.

Second of all, the moon and the sun aren't lit by an electrical current. Where is all this electricity coming from? Furthermore, light bulbs glow because the bulb contains a solution of noble gases. It's not just hot metal.

First if all, we know that the sun is a giant ball of gas through spectroscopy.

Second of all, the moon and the sun aren't lit by an electrical current. Where is all this electricity coming from? Furthermore, light bulbs glow because the bulb contains a solution of noble gases. It's not just hot metal.

so, we know the sun's gas from the same source that lies about everything for financial gain? yeah, real clever.
hot metal glows, does it not? there may be gases contained in the moon, I do not know, but i do know the friction of the aether would provide enough energy to power it.

Spectroscopy is not a complicated science. Tell us what's wrong with it instead of dismissing it out of hand

First if all, we know that the sun is a giant ball of gas through spectroscopy.

Second of all, the moon and the sun aren't lit by an electrical current. Where is all this electricity coming from? Furthermore, light bulbs glow because the bulb contains a solution of noble gases. It's not just hot metal.

Depends on the light bulb. 
Standard incandescent lamps glow because of the filament in them.  The gasses in them don't glow.
Fluorescent tubes have vaporized mercury in them that emit UV light.  This UV light causes a powdery coating on the inside of the lamps to glow.
Other types of lamps contain the gases such as neon and xenon that cause different colord glows.
Then you have LED lamps that emit light from LEDs.

Spectroscopy is not a complicated science. Tell us what's wrong with it instead of dismissing it out of hand

there's likely not much wrong with the notion itself, it's the people i take issue with. besides, i have never said it's impossible that there's gas on the sun, the readings may have been focused on the wrong parts.

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

Quote from: kman on February 19, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

The Sun is not on fire, it's fusing hydrogen into helium.  Also, the Sun has gravity that keeps the gas from dispersing.

dear Adam,
the atmosphere isn't transparent, it does even inverse the size of an object as it's the case for the sun and the moon,
and that's why they seem to be much bigger near the horizon... knowing that they do not fall down beyond the horizon
but they travel the world in a circle, ( the sun falls down once a year that's my opinion) one day there will be no atmosphère !

" the Day when We shall roll up the heaven like a scroll rolled up for books" Alanbya - Verse - 104 - The Holy Quran
"and you will see the earth as a leveled plain" Al Kahf - Verse 47 - The Holy Quran

the atmosphere isn't transparent...

How does one see several miles through a medium that isn't transparent?

... it does even inverse the size of an object as it's the case for the sun and the moon,
and that's why they seem to be much bigger near the horizon...

Incorrect.  It's actually an optical illusion.

A popular belief, stretching back at least to Aristotle in the 4th century B.C., holds that the Moon appears larger near the horizon due to a real magnification effect caused by the Earth's atmosphere. This is not true: although the atmosphere does change the perceived color of the Moon, it does not magnify or enlarge it.[4] In fact, the Moon appears about 1.5% smaller when it is near the horizon than when it is high in the sky, because it is farther away by nearly one Earth radius. Atmospheric refraction also makes the image of the Moon slightly smaller in the vertical direction

...knowing that they do not fall down beyond the horizon...

Just how do you know this?  Is it just another optical illusion?

1 - because it's not unclear, what do you see when you wear black sunglasses ?
2- it's not an illusion, when the sky becomes red after the sun set, it's not an illusion, it becomes red because the sun goes so far,
3- sometimes the moon appears to be laterally lightened, if the sun was supposed to go down,  why does this lunar phase exist !? 

1 - because it's not unclear, what do you see when you wear black sunglasses ?

It depends, are they opaque black or transparent black?

2- it's not an illusion, when the sky becomes red after the sun set, it's not an illusion, it becomes red because the sun goes so far,

The sky turning red at sunset has nothing to do with its apparent size at sunset.

3- sometimes the moon appears to be laterally lightened, if the sun was supposed to go down,  why does this lunar phase exist !?

Just because the earth is blocking your view of the sun, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's blocking the moon's view of the sun.

1- the atmosphere is neither transparent nor opaque black
2- it has something to do with the sun being far from us, so when you claim the sun doesn't change it's size,
it also proves that the atmosphere is inversing its real size ! ( why it doesn't become smaller ? )
don't respond with it falls down, =  why does the sky becomes red ? now you get my point !
3 - I was not talking about my view but about the moon being sometimes illuminated from the side and not from below !

1- the atmosphere is neither transparent nor opaque black

If being able to see several miles through a medium doesn't fit the definition of transparent, the I don't know what does.

2- it has something to do with the sun being far from us, so when you claim the sun doesn't change it's size,
it also proves that the atmosphere is inversing its real size ! ( why it doesn't become smaller ? )
don't respond with it falls down, =  why does the sky becomes red ? now you get my point !

No, the atmoplane can not change the size of the sun because the atmoplane has no curvature and magnification only occurs when light is refracted through a curved medium.  The sky becomes red at sundown because the sunlight traveling at a shallow angle through the atmoplane (atmosphere) acts like a prism, refracting and splitting the sunlight into its spectral colors.

3 - I was not talking about my view but about the moon being sometimes illuminated from the side and not from below !

Whether the moon is illuminated from the top, bottom or side usually depends on the latitude that you're observing the moon from.  Much the same way that the moon looks upside down for observers in the north or south hemiplanes.

The atmosphere isn't transparent, it does even inverse the size of an object as it's the case for the sun and the moon,
and that's why they seem to be much bigger near the horizon...

The atmosphere is—technically—transparent.

The psychology of the so-called "moon illusion" explained...



The moon—of course—never changes size perceptibly.  End of story.

the sun cannot shine on the moon at night. for round earthers, it's on the wrong side of the world. the moon is visible because it gives its own light, but it is similar to the sun: it is a spotlight, light coming from only one side. i have seen the aether spoken of here, and i believe that fills in the gaps in what i know, as it explains how the moon rotates so that only the illuminated side may face the earth.

Then why is that we only see the same side of the moon with different quantities of illumination?

the atmosphere isn't transparent, it does even inverse the size of an object as it's the case for the sun and the moon,
and that's why they seem to be much bigger near the horizon... knowing that they do not fall down beyond the horizon

2- it has something to do with the sun being far from us, so when you claim the sun doesn't change it's size,
it also proves that the atmosphere is inversing its real size ! ( why it doesn't become smaller ? )
don't respond with it falls down, =  why does the sky becomes red ? now you get my point !

The Moon is, measurably, 1.5% smaller when it is on the horizon compared to it's highest point. If the atmosphere is magnifying the Sun, why is it not magnifying the moon?

" the Day when We shall roll up the heaven like a scroll rolled up for books" Alanbya - Verse - 104 - The Holy Quran
"and you will see the earth as a leveled plain" Al Kahf - Verse 47 - The Holy Quran

The Quran also says that bees eat fruit, ants can talk, bird flight is a miracle, and sperm comes from the ribs, so I wouldn't consider the Quran a literal book of sceince.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: kman on February 19, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

The Sun is not on fire, it's fusing hydrogen into helium.  Also, the Sun has gravity that keeps the gas from dispersing.

ah, your magic gravity, which affects only dense objects, and yet works not only on gas, but the two least dense gases of hydrogen and helium. think about it.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 07:45:51 AM

the sun cannot shine on the moon at night. for round earthers, it's on the wrong side of the world. the moon is visible because it gives its own light, but it is similar to the sun: it is a spotlight, light coming from only one side. i have seen the aether spoken of here, and i believe that fills in the gaps in what i know, as it explains how the moon rotates so that only the illuminated side may face the earth.

Then why is that we only see the same side of the moon with different quantities of illumination?

if they look like the same face to you, you're blind.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 19, 2015, 08:33:30 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: kman on February 19, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

The Sun is not on fire, it's fusing hydrogen into helium.  Also, the Sun has gravity that keeps the gas from dispersing.

ah, your magic gravity, which affects only dense objects, and yet works not only on gas, but the two least dense gases of hydrogen and helium. think about it.

Can we have a citation for that "affects only dense objects" assertion, please.

Quote from: dephelis on February 19, 2015, 01:04:10 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 07:45:51 AM

the sun cannot shine on the moon at night. for round earthers, it's on the wrong side of the world. the moon is visible because it gives its own light, but it is similar to the sun: it is a spotlight, light coming from only one side. i have seen the aether spoken of here, and i believe that fills in the gaps in what i know, as it explains how the moon rotates so that only the illuminated side may face the earth.

Then why is that we only see the same side of the moon with different quantities of illumination?

if they look like the same face to you, you're blind.

It looks like the same face to me. The lighting changes but the surface features don't. What are you seeing that suggests otherwise?

Nice montage.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 19, 2015, 08:33:30 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: kman on February 19, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

The Sun is not on fire, it's fusing hydrogen into helium.  Also, the Sun has gravity that keeps the gas from dispersing.

ah, your magic gravity, which affects only dense objects, and yet works not only on gas, but the two least dense gases of hydrogen and helium. think about it.

Gravity doesn't only effect dence objects, density is not even a variable in the gravity equasion.  What matters is mass, regardless of how tightly it's packed.  If you think that gravity is wrong because there is no explenation for it, consider this:

Magnetism can't be explained, it's just an intrinsic property of fundamental particles that result in magnetic fields.  Does magnetism not exist?

Nobody knows why sleep is nesesary.  Is sleep not necessary?

By your reasoning sleep and magnetism are just magical things that can't be taken seriously because there is no explanation.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 20, 2015, 04:59:48 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 19, 2015, 08:33:30 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 19, 2015, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: kman on February 19, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Ok, so why don't you think that the sun is what we think it is?

gas disperses. fire cannot burn in vacuum. simple stuff.

The Sun is not on fire, it's fusing hydrogen into helium.  Also, the Sun has gravity that keeps the gas from dispersing.

ah, your magic gravity, which affects only dense objects, and yet works not only on gas, but the two least dense gases of hydrogen and helium. think about it.

Gravity doesn't only effect dence objects, density is not even a variable in the gravity equasion.  What matters is mass, regardless of how tightly it's packed.  If you think that gravity is wrong because there is no explenation for it, consider this:

Magnetism can't be explained, it's just an intrinsic property of fundamental particles that result in magnetic fields.  Does magnetism not exist?

Nobody knows why sleep is nesesary.  Is sleep not necessary?

By your reasoning sleep and magnetism are just magical things that can't be taken seriously because there is no explanation.

mass and density are related. try again.
gravity is magical because you only apply it when it's convenient, and in no consistent way. helium and hydrogen are the least massive of all the elements, and yet the sun has more gravity than the earth. does that really make sense to you?