Gravity = Air Pressure

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2014, 07:40:34 PM »
The Cavendish experiment, performed in 1797–98 by British scientist Henry Cavendish, was the first experiment to measure the force of gravity between masses in the laboratory.
The apparatus constructed by Cavendish was a torsion balance made of a six-foot (1.8 m) wooden rod suspended from a wire, with a 2-inch (51 mm) diameter 1.61-pound (0.73 kg) lead sphere attached to each end. Two 12-inch (300 mm) 348-pound (158 kg) lead balls were located near the smaller balls, about 9 inches (230 mm) away, and held in place with a separate suspension system.[8] The experiment measured the faint gravitational attraction between the small balls and the larger ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

After you play with your balls tell us what think of this.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2014, 07:53:05 PM »
The Cavendish experiment, performed in 1797–98 by British scientist Henry Cavendish, was the first experiment to measure the force of gravity between masses in the laboratory.
The apparatus constructed by Cavendish was a torsion balance made of a six-foot (1.8 m) wooden rod suspended from a wire, with a 2-inch (51 mm) diameter 1.61-pound (0.73 kg) lead sphere attached to each end. Two 12-inch (300 mm) 348-pound (158 kg) lead balls were located near the smaller balls, about 9 inches (230 mm) away, and held in place with a separate suspension system.[8] The experiment measured the faint gravitational attraction between the small balls and the larger ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

After you play with your balls tell us what think of this.

Think was a joke sorry.

Oh no! We can't trust these people! They are all liars! The only way to find this truth is if you conduct your own experiment! Have you?! HUH?!

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In all seriousness, that's exactly what they will reply with. Nobody is trustworthy except for yourself, and if your results support RET then you're just part of the conspiracy.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2014, 08:07:13 PM »
You learn quick bloke. Thought of this when I was a kid then found it was an old idea. And playing with your balls is for footy players.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2014, 01:00:54 AM »
Ok septic, get some spongy lead from a car battery and a bit of smooth plastic the same size and shape. The lead is still heavier and it is the most porous.

SMDDD
Spongy lead?  ;D

You don't know how lead acid car batteries work septic?. Lift your game boy, that makes you look real dumb.
Put up a topic and explain it all to me. ;D

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2014, 01:16:45 AM »
Is your argumentative strategy to purposefully distract your opponent into a completely irrelevant argument?
I'm not distracting you into anything. You appear to be getting into a frenzy over someone you clearly think is a nutcase who knows nothing. So my questions is - why? why, if you're so smart and know it all, do you need any answers from me that you are simply just going to disregard, anyway?
Is this what you do when you pick an opponent?
Answer the question Sceptimatic, the question which I have proposed twice now. Why do things fall at mostly the same rate, (within an altitude of around 0-100,000ft) within a chamber with equal regulated pressure, regardless of altitude- sea level to the edge of the atmosphere? If you think they don't then conduct my experiment.
It's not an easy question to answer as it depends on the objects and their make up as to how they fare against atmospheric friction. There's no clear answer unless you perform all the experiments at all heights but it should be clear that the proof is there in what I said.
"A consistent method for what? what aid did you use to come to your answers?" Fine Scepti, whatever, I'm just blindly following the experiments conducted by thousands of individuals around the world with completely different agendas and cultural priorities. Honestly, it's really irrelevant.
Well come on then, name me the experiments you have done to prove what you believe is happening. Don't just mention people all around the worlds circle - show me.

It would be nice, instead of you accusing us of not conducting experiments, for YOU to conduct an experiment. Now, you claimed to have conducted an experiment on a 2 kilometer ice shelf with other scientists and have finished and sent your findings. How's that going?
It went fantastic and is ongoing. You can accept this or not, I'm not arsed which as you're nothing to me.
It's so obvious you're avoiding the experiment. I laid it out to you, the experiment I proposed in my first post, and was only referring to that experiment. But you dodged the question. That experiment does not require a belief in gravity. Jesus.
What experiment?
Your video: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Did you even watch the end?! That's hilarious! You disproved yourself! Air resistance my friend, the only way to conduct that experiment correctly is with minimal air resistance.
Did you even watch the two balls. I get told, time and time again that two objects that are similar, as in the two balls will fall at the same rate because they are the same shape, so air resistance does not count. Even John so called brainiac Tickle said the same and all the other scientists....but now, air resistance plays a part....how weird, eh? It's what I've been telling you all along, so don't mention me watching the end bit, because the same thing would apply.
This video destroys your argument 100%
What experiments and/or observations have you conducted to prove molecules expand at higher altitudes?
Using a chamber with the evacuation of pressure to expand a balloon, freeze water, etc, etc, etc. It mimicks higher altitude expansion of matter/molecules or whatever you now want to call them.
So. We can't prove molecules expand. You haven't answered my original question, and you don't want to conduct my experiment. We're back to where we started: An unproven hypothesis.
Yes I have proved they expand.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2014, 07:04:24 AM »
Scepti likely stopped watching the Brainiac video as soon as he saw what he wanted which is why he is not even mentioned the car and tire dropping and hitting the ground at teh same time.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2014, 11:17:28 AM »
The objects probably did fall noticeably faster which is why they probably slowed the video down. LOL

Siphoning disproves gravity.
Vacuum chambers disprove denpressure.
No they don't. A vacuum chamber still has pressure inside of it, no matter how small.
Try again.
Well, if the air pressure is much less, wouldn't the object at least fall more slowly? Because in fact, the object falls slightly more quickly, because of less air resistance. This all points to gravity NOT being caused by air pressure. I think a better way to explain this, Mr. Sceptimatic, is by showing us some actual math. Why is it that no matter the air pressure in a 'not'-vacuum, objects fall at the same rate? And if your hypothesis claims that they wouldn't fall at the same rate, explain why not?

I would love if you conducted a simple experiment to support your claim. If you conduct this experiment, and it concludes that your hypothesis is correct, you will earn millions upon millions in research money, and a nobel prize, for completely changing our entire understanding of reality.

Here's what you do:
1. Design a low pressure chamber which can, from the inside, drop an object and measure its velocity, and send the information wirelessly to a receiver. Make sure it can make multiple drops for scientific redundancy.
2. Engage the drop from sea level, record your findings.
3. Attach this chamber to a large weather balloon. Engage the drop from 50,000 or so feet. Record your findings.

edit: I should add that you should also record the air pressures in the chamber at every drop. It's not necessary, but it would be good information nonetheless.
Go on, scepti! Prove us all wrong!
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2014, 11:23:47 AM »
The objects probably did fall noticeably faster which is why they probably slowed the video down. LOL


It seems to be a tell tale with all this stuff, doesn't it.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2014, 11:26:31 AM »
The objects probably did fall noticeably faster which is why they probably slowed the video down. LOL

Siphoning disproves gravity.
Vacuum chambers disprove denpressure.
No they don't. A vacuum chamber still has pressure inside of it, no matter how small.
Try again.
Well, if the air pressure is much less, wouldn't the object at least fall more slowly? Because in fact, the object falls slightly more quickly, because of less air resistance. This all points to gravity NOT being caused by air pressure. I think a better way to explain this, Mr. Sceptimatic, is by showing us some actual math. Why is it that no matter the air pressure in a 'not'-vacuum, objects fall at the same rate? And if your hypothesis claims that they wouldn't fall at the same rate, explain why not?

I would love if you conducted a simple experiment to support your claim. If you conduct this experiment, and it concludes that your hypothesis is correct, you will earn millions upon millions in research money, and a nobel prize, for completely changing our entire understanding of reality.

Here's what you do:
1. Design a low pressure chamber which can, from the inside, drop an object and measure its velocity, and send the information wirelessly to a receiver. Make sure it can make multiple drops for scientific redundancy.
2. Engage the drop from sea level, record your findings.
3. Attach this chamber to a large weather balloon. Engage the drop from 50,000 or so feet. Record your findings.

edit: I should add that you should also record the air pressures in the chamber at every drop. It's not necessary, but it would be good information nonetheless.
Go on, scepti! Prove us all wrong!

If one object fell faster than the other, slow motion would exacerbate it since you would have more time to process what you are seeing.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2014, 12:05:38 PM »
I don't think you're a nutcase. I don't know you, so I can't make that assessment. Who knows, maybe all of your experimentation and all of those credentials and scientific reports are true. Too bad you can't prove it.

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"depends on the objects and their make up as to how they fare against atmospheric friction..."
The chamber is of equal low regulated pressure, atmospheric friction is not a dependent variable. As for the objects composition, how about a golf ball? Now, answer the question.

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"...name the experiments you have done..."
When I was younger, I was gifted a handheld barometer (I loved science, don't judge). I lived in Venezuela at the time, and if you know anything about its geography, you'll know that the region is (especially in northern Caracas) very mountainous. The highest peak, which I hiked, is about  2,700 meters above sea level. I remember getting a reading of 710 millibars. It was a hot day, as it usually is there, so it was 18 millibars lower in pressure than the average. That's the thing, my findings were consistent with the findings of other scientists who conducted the same research, and also used weather balloons to calculate the pressure at much higher altitudes. Also, I've been on trips via Cessna and Piper around the Yucatan peninsula, and usually sat in the co-pilots seat. There was always a plain altimeter, plus a barometer which displayed in atmospheric units. I remember very clearly (this was around a year ago in a Cessna Grand Caravan) we were cruising at around 6000 meters, and the atmospheric pressure read 440 millibars. Once again consistent with the data presented by scientists.

As for my data on the speed of gravity (the label for the phenomena we see of things seeming to want to go downwards, don't pull that "gravity doesn't exist" thing on me, you know exactly what I mean), I've been to a few physics/rocket learning programs as a kid, and one the experiments we always do is getting a vacuum chamber, and dropping coins and paper clips from the inside. Two lasers are put at the top and bottom of the chamber, and velocity always was always the same no matter what was dropped, and consistent with the research and formula for g. As for where I got 9.7 m/s? Math, but it's really irrelevant, since there is only a .1 m/s change in velocity, it doesn't even need to be accounted for at the height I proposed anyway. My point still stands, it's just a consistent velocity.

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"It went fantastic and is ongoing. You can accept this or not, I'm not arsed which as you're nothing to me."
If you're not going to present any proof or plain data, and if you don't think you should have to show us anything, then what in the hell is the point in any of this. This argument. This forum. Why are you even trying to argue with us? You've got, I'm guessing, some or most of your results, you're arguing with us about the validity of your hypothesis and experiments, and you refuse to present any data/documentation or plain proof you even did the experiments.

You make no f*ing sense.

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"What experiment?"
Oh my god... I'm going to quote myself, and repeat myself for the third time now, "the experiment I laid out to you in my first post." -Jet Fission

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"Did you watch the two balls..."
Did you watch the car and the tire? For the second time, air resistance. You cannot perform this experiment reliably with high air resistance. I'm sure dozens of people have told you this but you don't listen. Your video, even if at the end it proved you wrong, is completely unscientific T.V bologna. I sure hope that you, Mr. Sceptimatic, have a higher standard for scientific experiments, like removing all of the unnecessary variables (this is literally high school science right here), considering you claim to have done some of your own. Now, air resistance is a very major factor in the velocity of things on the planet, hopefully you've realized. In ideal conditions, without air resistance, all objects will fall at the same time. Heavier objects require more energy to move, light objects require less. This effect cancels itself out, both objects gain the same velocity. It's not even physics, it's common sense. Now you factor in air resistance. What happens? The heavier object, like I said, requires more energy to move, so the air is going to do a horrible job at slowing it down. Lighter objects require much less energy to move, so air is going to be able to slow it down greatly. Get it? Now, try the experiment in a vacuum chamber, like I have, and you'll realize how ridiculous this is. Profit.

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"Using a chamber with the evacuation of pressure to expand a balloon, freeze water, etc, etc, etc. It mimicks higher altitude expansion of matter/molecules or whatever you now want to call them."
Alright then, let's see your results. Your data. Give me some documentation. Back to your previous point about my experiments, which I know you're going to bring up here as well, get a weather balloon and attach a barometer and altimeter on to it. Give me your data. Because as of right now, all of the atmospheric data, as I have demonstrated a few replies ago, has demonstrated your hypothesis to be false. You claim that the data is actually something else. Prove it. Get a high altitude weather balloon. They're only around $200-$300, it's a pretty good investment. In fact, I promise, that if you prove that all the alleged conspiratory atmospheric and gravitational data is false, by using that weather balloon, I will personally pay back your investment. I bet though, that you're going to pull the "I don't need to prove anything to you" card. If that's the case, then once again:

What. Is. The. Point. In. Arguing. About. Any. Of. This.

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"Yes I have proved they expand."
See above.

You know, it would be awesome if you could come to my VoIP Teamspeak 3 server so we can discuss this easily. I promise no shouting, ad hominem, jokes/personal attacks. You can leave if that happens.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #100 on: November 20, 2014, 02:31:46 PM »
The Cavendish experiment, performed in 1797–98 by British scientist Henry Cavendish, was the first experiment to measure the force of gravity between masses in the laboratory.
The apparatus constructed by Cavendish was a torsion balance made of a six-foot (1.8 m) wooden rod suspended from a wire, with a 2-inch (51 mm) diameter 1.61-pound (0.73 kg) lead sphere attached to each end. Two 12-inch (300 mm) 348-pound (158 kg) lead balls were located near the smaller balls, about 9 inches (230 mm) away, and held in place with a separate suspension system.[8] The experiment measured the faint gravitational attraction between the small balls and the larger ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

After you play with your balls tell us what think of this.

Think was a joke sorry.
A battery cell consists of two lead plates a positive plate covered with a paste of lead dioxide and a negative made of sponge lead,

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No answer septic. You seem to shut up when the going gets hard, just all your flatwit mates.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2014, 04:03:07 AM »
I don't think you're a nutcase. I don't know you, so I can't make that assessment. Who knows, maybe all of your experimentation and all of those credentials and scientific reports are true. Too bad you can't prove it.
Too bad you can't prove anything you're saying.

The chamber is of equal low regulated pressure, atmospheric friction is not a dependent variable. As for the objects composition, how about a golf ball? Now, answer the question.
What about a golf ball?
When I was younger, I was gifted a handheld barometer (I loved science, don't judge). I lived in Venezuela at the time, and if you know anything about its geography, you'll know that the region is (especially in northern Caracas) very mountainous. The highest peak, which I hiked, is about  2,700 meters above sea level. I remember getting a reading of 710 millibars. It was a hot day, as it usually is there, so it was 18 millibars lower in pressure than the average. That's the thing, my findings were consistent with the findings of other scientists who conducted the same research, and also used weather balloons to calculate the pressure at much higher altitudes. Also, I've been on trips via Cessna and Piper around the Yucatan peninsula, and usually sat in the co-pilots seat. There was always a plain altimeter, plus a barometer which displayed in atmospheric units. I remember very clearly (this was around a year ago in a Cessna Grand Caravan) we were cruising at around 6000 meters, and the atmospheric pressure read 440 millibars. Once again consistent with the data presented by scientists.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove to me, here.
As for my data on the speed of gravity (the label for the phenomena we see of things seeming to want to go downwards, don't pull that "gravity doesn't exist" thing on me, you know exactly what I mean), I've been to a few physics/rocket learning programs as a kid, and one the experiments we always do is getting a vacuum chamber, and dropping coins and paper clips from the inside. Two lasers are put at the top and bottom of the chamber, and velocity always was always the same no matter what was dropped, and consistent with the research and formula for g. As for where I got 9.7 m/s? Math, but it's really irrelevant, since there is only a .1 m/s change in velocity, it doesn't even need to be accounted for at the height I proposed anyway. My point still stands, it's just a consistent velocity.
There's always pressure. Earth cannot survive without it. It doesn't matter how low it goes, there's still resistance and as long as there's resistance, then things will never fall at the same rate, unless they are identical in every way.
The mere fact that you are using a small evacuation chamber to think you have a point, is not the true picture.
Things from that height that seemingly fall at the same rate, is not the whole truth.

If you're not going to present any proof or plain data, and if you don't think you should have to show us anything, then what in the hell is the point in any of this. This argument. This forum. Why are you even trying to argue with us? You've got, I'm guessing, some or most of your results, you're arguing with us about the validity of your hypothesis and experiments, and you refuse to present any data/documentation or plain proof you even did the experiments.

You make no f*ing sense.
The point is to make people use their brains. To think. To question what you've believed to be true all your life, without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything.

Did you watch the car and the tire? For the second time, air resistance. You cannot perform this experiment reliably with high air resistance. I'm sure dozens of people have told you this but you don't listen. Your video, even if at the end it proved you wrong, is completely unscientific T.V bologna. I sure hope that you, Mr. Sceptimatic, have a higher standard for scientific experiments, like removing all of the unnecessary variables (this is literally high school science right here), considering you claim to have done some of your own. Now, air resistance is a very major factor in the velocity of things on the planet, hopefully you've realized.
Yep the car and the tyre. A classic con. The real truth was right tehre with the two balls.
We are told, time and time again about two balls will fall at the same rate regardless of what they have in mass. This proves that gravity is crap, so why can't people see this for what it is?
The answer is...no way will they go against mainstream views, beecause to do so makes them a tin foil hat looney and they are scared of that tag. Nort to mention that those that believe they are of superior intelligence, will ever accept someone tryong to aid them in using basic, logical commonsense, because they are far too proud of their stance in the world than to ever change it, even for the truth.

In ideal conditions, without air resistance, all objects will fall at the same time.
This will never happen and cannot happen.
Let's put it more simply.
Objects in lower pressure will be under much less friction against their mass and will APPEAR to fall at the same time, from low heights.
The truth, however is that this is simply a ploy to keep gravity as a force. A force that scientists cannot explain and yet I can. Weird isn't it?

Heavier objects require more energy to move, light objects require less. This effect cancels itself out, both objects gain the same velocity. It's not even physics, it's common sense.
Saying it does not make it so.
Now you factor in air resistance. What happens? The heavier object, like I said, requires more energy to move, so the air is going to do a horrible job at slowing it down. Lighter objects require much less energy to move, so air is going to be able to slow it down greatly. Get it?
Of course I get it and you're just explaining why heavier objects fall faster. You're basically killing off your gravity all by yourself.
Now, try the experiment in a vacuum chamber, like I have, and you'll realize how ridiculous this is. Profit.

In fantasy world of no air resistance at all, all objects would appear to fall exactly the same. The problem is, this cannot happen in real life for us humans, as we live under friction.
In reality, if you make a true vacuum or the absence of all matter, then the question becomes pointless, because the absence of all matter means that nothing exists in the first place.

Alright then, let's see your results. Your data. Give me some documentation. Back to your previous point about my experiments, which I know you're going to bring up here as well, get a weather balloon and attach a barometer and altimeter on to it. Give me your data. Because as of right now, all of the atmospheric data, as I have demonstrated a few replies ago, has demonstrated your hypothesis to be false.

You've demonstarted nothing of what I've said, to be false. I've demonstarted by logic that you are buying into something that does not exist, (gravity).
You claim that the data is actually something else. Prove it. Get a high altitude weather balloon. They're only around $200-$300, it's a pretty good investment. In fact, I promise, that if you prove that all the alleged conspiratory atmospheric and gravitational data is false, by using that weather balloon, I will personally pay back your investment.

I don't actually know what a weather balloon is supposed to prove.
I bet though, that you're going to pull the "I don't need to prove anything to you" card. If that's the case, then once again:

What. Is. The. Point. In. Arguing. About. Any. Of. This.

The same point as to why you're arguing by using nothing more than words to tell me that you are right and I'm wrong. I'm counteracting it. It's called debate or conversation.
If things could be proved 100% with everything then we wouldn't be here and this place wouldn't be here.

The mere fact that many people are questioning things should be enough thought to understand that something's are not what they appear to be.


You know, it would be awesome if you could come to my VoIP Teamspeak 3 server so we can discuss this easily. I promise no shouting, ad hominem, jokes/personal attacks. You can leave if that happens.
What is this all about?

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #102 on: November 21, 2014, 04:05:11 AM »
The Cavendish experiment, performed in 1797–98 by British scientist Henry Cavendish, was the first experiment to measure the force of gravity between masses in the laboratory.
The apparatus constructed by Cavendish was a torsion balance made of a six-foot (1.8 m) wooden rod suspended from a wire, with a 2-inch (51 mm) diameter 1.61-pound (0.73 kg) lead sphere attached to each end. Two 12-inch (300 mm) 348-pound (158 kg) lead balls were located near the smaller balls, about 9 inches (230 mm) away, and held in place with a separate suspension system.[8] The experiment measured the faint gravitational attraction between the small balls and the larger ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

After you play with your balls tell us what think of this.

Think was a joke sorry.
A battery cell consists of two lead plates a positive plate covered with a paste of lead dioxide and a negative made of sponge lead,

http://www.progressivedyn.com/battery_basics.html

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No answer septic. You seem to shut up when the going gets hard, just all your flatwit mates.
What are you trying to prove? Have you actually read up on what I've been saying, or just jumping in and typing?

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2014, 09:20:44 AM »
The mere fact that many people are questioning things should be enough thought to understand that something's are not what they appear to be.


Poor old sceptimatic seems to equate "questioning things" with making up fanciful stories and bizarre pseudo-scientific parables.

I haven't laughed so much since grandpa tried to ride a greased pig at the local fair.    ;D

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #104 on: November 21, 2014, 07:02:22 PM »
So, what have we learned from this debate?

Sceptimatic has either short term memory, or a reading disability, because I've had to clarify multiple times very direct points. Examples:
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"What experiment?"
I had to clarify this 3 times before he understood what experiment I was referring to.

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"What about the golf ball?"
Read Scepti, read.

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"I don't actually know what a weather balloon is supposed to prove."
The experiment Scepti. Remember? Remember your ideas on air pressure which don't make any sense? Read between the lines, for god's sake.

I can't keep clarifying, it's clear you just want to distract from the argument when I have to keep repeating myself. It's pretty amazing how much we've gotten off track from my original comment. We're arguing about the fall velocity of objects, when it was completely irrelevant to my original point. Anyway, here's a response to the rest:

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"The mere fact that you are using a small evacuation chamber to think you have a point, is not the true picture.
Things from that height that seemingly fall at the same rate, is not the whole truth."
We were using a 30 foot tall clear PVC pipe. It took an hour and a half for most of the pressure to be evacuated. What makes it even better? We tried dropping the light and heavy objects a few times before most of the pressure was removed. They fell at completely different times every trial, and they fell at the same time when air was removed every trial. Don't believe me? Try it yourself, it isn't that expensive, I'm sure you can afford it with the 250 k's you have laying around.

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"The point is to make people use their brains. To think. To question what you've believed to be true all your life, without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."
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"The point is to make people use their brains. To think. To question what you've believed to be true all your life, without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."
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"without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."
This speaks for itself. So much for being a skeptic. All you need is blind faith your claims are true. Nice argument about your credibility Sceptic, I think this comment is going to make the history books on this forum. Forget physical evidence guys, just trust that FET is true!

Remember when you said this, Sceptimatic?: "The smartest people on this site are those that believe nothing and question everything, until concrete proof sets in."
Nice contradiction you got there.

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"We are told, time and time again about two balls will fall at the same rate regardless of what they have in mass."
No one says that.. I mean, no one, except you. A simple Google search will open your eyes to what we are actually being told.
Let me fix the statement: We are told, time and time again about two balls will fall at the same rate without air resistance regardless of what they have in mass. Seriously, this is such a major flaw in what you're saying. No scientist anywhere says that objects will fall at the same rate regardless of air resistance and mass. That's a ridiculous statement because it's demonstrably false. Where are you getting your information from? YouTube? Oh right... So much for experimenting yourself.

Your video is completely flawed, because it is by definition a strawman. I'm not claiming objects will fall at the same rate with air resistance, I'm claiming objects will fall at the same rate without it. So stop bringing up that god damned stupid video. You're acting as if you have some kind of victory with it. Your "This proves that gravity is crap, so why can't people see this for what it is?" is so annoying. It's a strawman Sceptimatic, it's not valid. Stop.



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So apparently Sceptimatic thinks that it doesn't take more energy to move heavy objects! I want to see him try and use an RC electric motor in place of a gasoline engine on for his car. Hilarious!
Maybe you're questioning my "cancels out" claim? They do cancel out, the math is consistent with my experimentation. Don't believe me? Try experimenting yourself. Don't get your information from YouTube.

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"You've demonstarted nothing of what I've said, to be false. I've demonstarted by logic that you are buying into something that does not exist, (gravity)."
Oh I have demonstrated it. With the vacuum chamber experiment, and with my math on air pressure altitude and and fall rates. It was my second or third post I think, I laid it out with numbers. You however, haven't demonstrated anything. You haven't even asserted a truth claim relevant to "gravity=air pressure" while talking to me.

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"The same point as to why you're arguing by using nothing more than words to tell me that you are right and I'm wrong. I'm counteracting it. It's called debate or conversation.
If things could be proved 100% with everything then we wouldn't be here and this place wouldn't be here.

The mere fact that many people are questioning things should be enough thought to understand that something's are not what they appear to be."
This doesn't even make any sense. Just because we're in a debate/conversation doesn't mean we can't support our arguments with evidence. You're just making up excuses for your lies. And they will continue to be lies, along with your entire hypothesis, until you provide evidence.

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It might be kind of fun to actually be able to talk. This form of conversation is boring and slow. Get TeamSpeak 3, or maybe Skype. I prefer teamspeak (lighter program, also better sound quality). If you're interested, I'll pm you the address and password.


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To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2014, 02:57:12 AM »
Come back to me when you can stop ranting and can calm down a bit. Then explain one small thing at a time.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2014, 05:21:05 AM »
Come back to me when you can stop ranting
I don't see any ranting, just your "theory" being picked to pieces.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2014, 08:31:00 AM »
Come back to me when you can stop ranting
I don't see any ranting, just your "theory" being picked to pieces.

This sort of non-answer is typical of sceptimatic whenever he's confronted with irrefutable scientific evidence.  When it's pointed out to him—time and time again—how nonsensical his notions are he simply accuses people of "ranting" etc. In sceptimatic's handful of working brain cells, it's always his opponent who's allegedly lost the plot and lost their cool.

I'm actually not certain as to why this delusional cartoon character insists on posting to a forum wherein he's so far out of his intellectual depth.  Maybe he's a mental masochist?  Who knows?


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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #108 on: November 22, 2014, 10:42:22 AM »
The mere fact that many people are questioning things should be enough thought to understand that something's are not what they appear to be.


Poor old sceptimatic seems to equate "questioning things" with making up fanciful stories and bizarre pseudo-scientific parables.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #109 on: November 23, 2014, 02:05:45 PM »
So, what have we learned from this debate?

Sceptimatic has either short term memory, or a reading disability, because I've had to clarify multiple times very direct points. Examples:
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"What experiment?"
I had to clarify this 3 times before he understood what experiment I was referring to.

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"What about the golf ball?"
Read Scepti, read.

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"I don't actually know what a weather balloon is supposed to prove."
The experiment Scepti. Remember? Remember your ideas on air pressure which don't make any sense? Read between the lines, for god's sake.

I can't keep clarifying, it's clear you just want to distract from the argument when I have to keep repeating myself. It's pretty amazing how much we've gotten off track from my original comment. We're arguing about the fall velocity of objects, when it was completely irrelevant to my original point. Anyway, here's a response to the rest:

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"The mere fact that you are using a small evacuation chamber to think you have a point, is not the true picture.
Things from that height that seemingly fall at the same rate, is not the whole truth."
We were using a 30 foot tall clear PVC pipe. It took an hour and a half for most of the pressure to be evacuated. What makes it even better? We tried dropping the light and heavy objects a few times before most of the pressure was removed. They fell at completely different times every trial, and they fell at the same time when air was removed every trial. Don't believe me? Try it yourself, it isn't that expensive, I'm sure you can afford it with the 250 k's you have laying around.

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"The point is to make people use their brains. To think. To question what you've believed to be true all your life, without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."
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"The point is to make people use their brains. To think. To question what you've believed to be true all your life, without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."
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"without actually having any physical evidence and not being able to verify anything."

I'm so using that^
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #110 on: November 23, 2014, 11:47:20 PM »
So. We can't prove molecules expand.
Yes I have proved they expand.
No, you haven't, and you never will.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #111 on: November 23, 2014, 11:57:34 PM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?

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ausGeoff

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2014, 01:25:24 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?

A sphere is the shape that has the smallest surface area for a particular volume of air contained within.




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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2014, 03:51:11 AM »
So. We can't prove molecules expand.
Yes I have proved they expand.
No, you haven't, and you never will.
Do you know what steam is?

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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2014, 03:53:04 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.

Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2014, 05:10:30 AM »
So. We can't prove molecules expand.
Yes I have proved they expand.
No, you haven't, and you never will.
Do you know what steam is?
Molecules and particles do not expand, they vibrate as a result of an increase in heat.

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mathsman

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2014, 05:11:00 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.
Do you have a picture of a soap bubble in still air that isn't spherical?

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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2014, 05:22:17 AM »
So. We can't prove molecules expand.
Yes I have proved they expand.
No, you haven't, and you never will.
Do you know what steam is?
Molecules and particles do not expand, they vibrate as a result of an increase in heat.
They vibrate due to expansion and contraction.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2014, 05:26:27 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.
Do you have a picture of a soap bubble in still air that isn't spherical?
It would be hard to tell as the slight off spherical shape would be hard to notice.
Let me give you an example.
A bubble falling , wobbles, right? It wobbles because it's in uneven pressure. Only a bubble in perfectly even pressure can be spherical.
The problem is, there is never an even pressure at any time, so there is never a true spehrical shape.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2014, 05:50:58 AM »
It would be hard to tell as the slight off spherical shape would be hard to notice.
Let me give you an example.
A bubble falling , wobbles, right? It wobbles because it's in uneven pressure. Only a bubble in perfectly even pressure can be spherical.
The problem is, there is never an even pressure at any time, so there is never a true spherical shape.

I see sceptimatic is still blathering on about things he has absolutely NO knowledge of LOL.  The poor chump doesn't even know what defines "pressure"—force per unit area applied in a direction perpendicular to the surface of an object.  It's astounding that an assumedly rational adult, living in the 21st century should have only the scientific know-how of a peasant farmer living in the 16th century.