So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 05:23:31 AM

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

I was curious about the earth and learned all I need to know.

You learned all you need to know? That stinks of brainwashed and gullibility.

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

I have no reason to question RE/space travel/grand universe and all that.

No, because you're fully indoctrinated. Brainwashed to hypnotised standards. It's sad but it's your life.

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

I'm just here to try to understand why some people (like you) never got past a flat earth, which to me was a childhood belief.

But my childhood belief was the one you are promoting now. I've now rid myself of that indoctrination and brainwashing to actually start thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly in whatever case I look at. The story writers can gain a captive audience - it doesn't make their stories true.

 

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

Us grown-ups have seen enough to accept the majority model.

Correct, you are a grown up has embraced the fact that it's more comfortable accepting the majority view, because it only requires you to follow, not think.

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

Conspiracy. Right. Now, about aliens, THAT'S a conspiracy. I'm sure the govt. knows more than it pretends to.

Does it? are you questioning the government? are you of a belief that they are not being truthful?

Quote from: blnjms on October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

But RE, etc. is way too big and broadly accepted to be a conspiracy.

Way too big in what? majority?
 Plus, why NOT have satellites and a space station orbiting the earth and space ships going to the moon, Mars and beyond? Makes sense to me.

It makes sense because you have been programmed for it to make sense.

Because satellites actuaĺly work for communications.
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The problem with FE'ers is that RE/space travel/grand universe HAS to be about brainwashing and all that. I am simply saying that I don't believe I'm brainwashed and FE'ers do. So we're at an impasse. It comes down to what you believe and I have made my choice, as have they. No FE'er is going to convince me otherwise, so I would be wasting my (and their) time by continuing to post. I will try not to from now on because I realize that I'm a guest here and will always be contradicted because that's the nature of the beast. It's like a Protestant going to a Catholic website and trying to change people on its forums. Good luck.

Quote from: ausGeoff on October 18, 2014, 05:18:01 AM

I think by now we can all safely assume one of two things:

•  sceptimatic is totally but involuntarily delusional and/or suffering from some sort of as-yet undiagnosed mental dysfunction;
•  sceptimatic is nothing more than a major and persistent troll.

I claim the former because I just can't accept that any rational human being living in the 21st century could be so ignorant of all the contemporary sciences.

And I claim the latter simply on the basis that sceptimatic now claims to own "238 properties all over the world".

Ultimately, I'm not sure as to why his claims of being wealthy, owning numerous "cars, boats, private airplanes, motor homes" etc has to do with actually providing any viable evidence that he knows anything at all about Buzz Aldrin the astronaut, Aldrin's space missions, or Aldrin's current state of mind.  sceptimatic seems to think that repeatedly claiming to have 13 academic qualifications, to have written many books and hold numerous patents, and be a scientific researcher and world-renowned inventor precludes the validity of any other opinions apart from his own.

It's also embarrassingly obvious that sceptimatic can't or won't name even one of his alleged books, one of his alleged patents, or one of his alleged 13 qualifications.  Naming any of these of course would put paid to our claims that he's a fraud once and for all.  But I guess it's difficult to post "evidence" that you don't possess LOL.

If it comes down to a choice of Buzz Aldrin or sceptimatic being brainwashed, then sceptimatic wins the prize hands down. 

Do I intimidate you, Geoffrey?

Yeah... about as much as a goldfish.  But then I don't wanna insult goldfish LOL.  At least they have 30-second memories.

So, you still won't name even one of your alleged books, one of your alleged patents, or one of your alleged 13 qualifications.  Why is this?  Buzz Aldrin has two accredited scientific degrees—a Masters and a Doctorate.  He's also written nine books.  He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

Can you match any of those personal achievements?

—I'm betting not.  You're nothing more than a petty-minded, loser,  jealous of other's successes in life—such as Aldrin's.

OK, what if this guy is just following you around all day long.  He is a known antagonist.  He won't get his camera out of you face no matter how many times you ask him to.  Would you sit down with the guy AGAIN after being ambushed once?

I've just explained what I would do, did you not read it?
He's a reporter and a sceptic, so I'd make him pay for the info he wants and answer all of his questions as I'd have nothing to hide, so it's not as if he can stump me on anything, is it?....unless I was a liar and got trapped in a corner by his questions, then I might lash out at him. It's the only reason I would feel the need to.

If I was telling the truth about being on the moon, etc, I would be more than happy to respond to any allegations of fakery. Infact I'd welcome it.

The problem with FE'ers is that RE/space travel/grand universe HAS to be about brainwashing and all that. I am simply saying that I don't believe I'm brainwashed and FE'ers do. So we're at an impasse. It comes down to what you believe and I have made my choice, as have they. No FE'er is going to convince me otherwise, so I would be wasting my (and their) time by continuing to post. I will try not to from now on because I realize that I'm a guest here and will always be contradicted because that's the nature of the beast. It's like a Protestant going to a Catholic website and trying to change people on its forums. Good luck.

That's the thing though. It isn't a problem. The very fact rthat the indoctrinated globe model, plus a lot of science begs questions, is the reason it's being questioned.
Like you said: you're not going to have your mind changed at all about what you believe. Fair enough, no one is interested in whether you do or not, you have to do that for yourself.
It would be good to see people start to question stuff but people like you are too far gone to even give anything logical thought because you are so saturated in bullshit science. Sorry if that hurts but it's true.
Maybe one day in a few decades or so, the light bulb may come on with something, which will then make you start to go back through what you believe right now.

Instead of trying to fight the flat Earth society, try and embrace it and use it as a tool for questioning, even if you just do it as a leisure exercise. You never know, you may surprise yourself.

Coming on here and following some dunderheads who appear to have some global Earth clout, will make you no better than them.
Try following your own thoughts and try not to be intimidated by the majority just because you feel more comfortable doing so. Man up you weakling, show me you have some questioning backbone.

Yeah... about as much as a goldfish.  But then I don't wanna insult goldfish LOL.  At least they have 30-second memories.

You even believe a goldfish has a 30 second memory. How gullible are you. Who done the memory test? 

So, you still won't name even one of your alleged books, one of your alleged patents, or one of your alleged 13 qualifications.  Why is this?  Buzz Aldrin has two accredited scientific degrees—a Masters and a Doctorate.  He's also written nine books.  He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

JK Rowling is worth a lot more according to the media for her penned thoughts into books. She didn't make stuff up, did she?

Can you match any of those personal achievements?

What personal achievements?

—I'm betting not.  You're nothing more than a petty-minded, loser,  jealous of other's successes in life—such as Aldrin's.

I don't actually know how to respond to this bit. I think I've just brought you down to infant level. 

What personal achievements?

In case you can't tell the difference JK Rowling writes fiction for children.  Which is why I guess you seem to be familiar with her works LOL.  Buzz Aldrin writes about science and aeronautics, and his first-hand experiences as a jet fighter pilot and astronaut.

And despite repeated requests to address the following...

So, you still won't name even one of your alleged books, one of your alleged patents, or one of your alleged 13 qualifications.  Why is this?

... you still refuse to do so.  This leads all of us to the obvious conclusion that all these claims are nothing more than a part of the fairy-tale existence you've created in your own brain.  If you were in fact as intelligent, academically qualified and world-renowned as you claim, then obviously you wouldn't be playing these sorts of silly games.  You'd be more than happy to name names.

I've called your bluff successfully numerous times on these forums, and even dared to call you a liar, but still you can't offer any meaningful defence.

You're as weak as cat's urine.  And a liar.

In case you can't tell the difference JK Rowling writes fiction for children.  Which is why I guess you seem to be familiar with her works LOL.

I am familiar with her fiction, yes. I suppose just about everyone is.

  Buzz Aldrin writes about science and aeronautics, and his first-hand experiences as a jet fighter pilot and astronaut.

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

I've called your bluff successfully numerous times on these forums, and even dared to call you a liar, but still you can't offer any meaningful defence.

You're as weak as cat's urine.  And a liar.

Meaningful defence of what?

Meaningful defence of what?

Uh... you do have the memory span of a goldfish don't you my friend LOL.

Naming a couple of your books.  Naming a couple of your patents.  Naming a few of your claimed thirteen academic credentials.

—How's that for a good defence from you?

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

Quote from: blnjms on October 18, 2014, 07:18:52 AM

The problem with FE'ers is that RE/space travel/grand universe HAS to be about brainwashing and all that. I am simply saying that I don't believe I'm brainwashed and FE'ers do. So we're at an impasse. It comes down to what you believe and I have made my choice, as have they. No FE'er is going to convince me otherwise, so I would be wasting my (and their) time by continuing to post. I will try not to from now on because I realize that I'm a guest here and will always be contradicted because that's the nature of the beast. It's like a Protestant going to a Catholic website and trying to change people on its forums. Good luck.

That's the thing though. It isn't a problem. The very fact rthat the indoctrinated globe model, plus a lot of science begs questions, is the reason it's being questioned.
Like you said: you're not going to have your mind changed at all about what you believe. Fair enough, no one is interested in whether you do or not, you have to do that for yourself.
It would be good to see people start to question stuff but people like you are too far gone to even give anything logical thought because you are so saturated in bullshit science. Sorry if that hurts but it's true.
Maybe one day in a few decades or so, the light bulb may come on with something, which will then make you start to go back through what you believe right now.

Instead of trying to fight the flat Earth society, try and embrace it and use it as a tool for questioning, even if you just do it as a leisure exercise. You never know, you may surprise yourself.

Coming on here and following some dunderheads who appear to have some global Earth clout, will make you no better than them.
Try following your own thoughts and try not to be intimidated by the majority just because you feel more comfortable doing so. Man up you weakling, show me you have some questioning backbone.

If it were bullshit science, I'd have abandoned it by now. If you think I'm close-minded, I've changed religions more than once. I started as Orthodox/Catholic, then went to atheism, then went to fundamentalism (Church of Christ), then nothing, really (limbo), then Catholicism. If I had a reason to doubt RE/space travel/universe I would have, but I left those doubts behind when I grew up. The so-called indoctrination was simply getting on board with the best science has to offer, and FE certainly doesn't offer any that I can detect!

I started as Orthodox/Catholic, then went to atheism, then went to fundamentalism (Church of Christ), then nothing, really (limbo), then Catholicism.

Dayum.

Quote from: blnjms on October 18, 2014, 12:03:45 PM

I started as Orthodox/Catholic, then went to atheism, then went to fundamentalism (Church of Christ), then nothing, really (limbo), then Catholicism.

Dayum.

Meaning -?

He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

Wow, he has made a lot of money from saying that he went to the moon.  Can you say for sure that his motivation for saying this is not just monetary? 

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

It's relevant (I guess?) because sceptimatic seems to think in his typically deluded way that Buzz Aldrin's nine books about his aeronautics/astronautics career are merely works of fiction—similar to the "Harry Potter" books.  Which is quite funny considering he—sceptimatic—claims to have written several books but is unable to name even one of them.

Then again, I think we've all worked out by now that sceptimatic's entire life appears to be one built entirely around fiction.   

Quote from: ausGeoff on October 18, 2014, 07:22:02 AM

He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

Wow, he has made a lot of money from saying that he went to the moon.  Can you say for sure that his motivation for saying this is not just monetary?

He didn't make his fortune by simply "saying" that he went to the moon jroa.  He actually made the journey.  And no flat earther has yet been able to disprove this—even after 40 years of trying LOL.  He also flew 66 combat missions as a fighter pilot in the USAF during the Korean War 1950—1953 (and which I'm guessing you'll also claim is bogus).

Considering that the Apollo space missions were fraught with potential disaster and death, it's more than logical that these guys were paid megabucks to do the job.  I'm betting that you wouldn't have the cojones to take on that sort of risk jroa?

And yes; I can say I accept  unequivocally that Aldrin and Armstrong were the first men to set foot on the moon.  Do you have any viable evidence that absolutely proves this to be erroneous, or is it just another of your personal shots in the dark?

He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

Source please?  A quick Google search says either 1/2 million or 10 million, depending on the source.

Quote from: ausGeoff on October 18, 2014, 07:22:02 AM

He also has a net worth of half a billion dollars.

Source please?  A quick Google search says either 1/2 million or 10 million, depending on the source.

Yep, I agree.  It does seem that every supposed site "in the know" quotes vastly different figures.  The $10 million figure seems to be the most popular.

My half a billion could've been waaaay out.  Although jroa obviously accepted it—without doing his own research LOL.

At any rate, for the sake of this debate, Aldrin's net worth isn't really germane anyway, other than to say he's a very rich man.

My half a billion could've been waaaay out.  Although jroa obviously accepted it—without doing his own research LOL.

He made a lot of money just by telling people how he went to the moon.  It does not matter what the exact figure is that he has left.  He gives lectures and makes a boatload of money every time he does just to tell people that he was on the shiny rock in the sky. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Meaningful defence of what?

Uh... you do have the memory span of a goldfish don't you my friend LOL.

Naming a couple of your books.  Naming a couple of your patents.  Naming a few of your claimed thirteen academic credentials.

—How's that for a good defence from you?

My memory's fine, your memory seems not so. I remember telling you that you are not important enough for me to divulge any info to you, as to what you ask for. I decide when and if I give out info, not you. Can you grasp this?

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

It's relevant because Buzz also writes (cough) fiction.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 07:41:53 AM

Quote from: blnjms on October 18, 2014, 07:18:52 AM

The problem with FE'ers is that RE/space travel/grand universe HAS to be about brainwashing and all that. I am simply saying that I don't believe I'm brainwashed and FE'ers do. So we're at an impasse. It comes down to what you believe and I have made my choice, as have they. No FE'er is going to convince me otherwise, so I would be wasting my (and their) time by continuing to post. I will try not to from now on because I realize that I'm a guest here and will always be contradicted because that's the nature of the beast. It's like a Protestant going to a Catholic website and trying to change people on its forums. Good luck.

That's the thing though. It isn't a problem. The very fact rthat the indoctrinated globe model, plus a lot of science begs questions, is the reason it's being questioned.
Like you said: you're not going to have your mind changed at all about what you believe. Fair enough, no one is interested in whether you do or not, you have to do that for yourself.
It would be good to see people start to question stuff but people like you are too far gone to even give anything logical thought because you are so saturated in bullshit science. Sorry if that hurts but it's true.
Maybe one day in a few decades or so, the light bulb may come on with something, which will then make you start to go back through what you believe right now.

Instead of trying to fight the flat Earth society, try and embrace it and use it as a tool for questioning, even if you just do it as a leisure exercise. You never know, you may surprise yourself.

Coming on here and following some dunderheads who appear to have some global Earth clout, will make you no better than them.
Try following your own thoughts and try not to be intimidated by the majority just because you feel more comfortable doing so. Man up you weakling, show me you have some questioning backbone.

If it were bullshit science, I'd have abandoned it by now. If you think I'm close-minded, I've changed religions more than once. I started as Orthodox/Catholic, then went to atheism, then went to fundamentalism (Church of Christ), then nothing, really (limbo), then Catholicism. If I had a reason to doubt RE/space travel/universe I would have, but I left those doubts behind when I grew up. The so-called indoctrination was simply getting on board with the best science has to offer, and FE certainly doesn't offer any that I can detect!

You've changed religion a few times, on what evidence? It's all based on faith and yet you changed it, why?
Peer pressure can be the only answer.
It appears you took the weak road and followed the masses to start with, wherever you were at the time, either in locality or in mind. They say a person can be converted into any faith if they're caught at a low ebb. I believe this because I've seen it numerous times, first hand.

You refuse to question your globe model because it's the same principle. It's based on mass public opinion, like religion which has all been told by those at the top and accepted on faith coupled with the explanations as to why this globe faith is the one to follow.

The absolute truth - deny it if you want - is - both models, flat or globe, are indistinguishable to the naked eye or by scope, except for the manipulation of minds by those that chose to go with one model for all to follow.

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2014, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

It's relevant (I guess?) because sceptimatic seems to think in his typically deluded way that Buzz Aldrin's nine books about his aeronautics/astronautics career are merely works of fiction—similar to the "Harry Potter" books.  Which is quite funny considering he—sceptimatic—claims to have written several books but is unable to name even one of them.

Then again, I think we've all worked out by now that sceptimatic's entire life appears to be one built entirely around fiction.   

Strangely, all of our lives are based around fiction. It's with us everywhere we go, it's just a case of how each person percieves it in their own way.

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It was called "a complete success."

It must be true because the cameraman was videoing it from his own helium balloon already waiting up there.
It's absolutely amazing what scientists can achieve. 
Weirdly, people actually believe all this stuff without hesitation. That's the most scariest part of it all.
We are doomed to graze from the same field as a race and watched over by the shepherds and the sheep dogs.

I sincerely believe that they could show official footage of a rocket launching a juggling clown into space without spacesuit and it would be accepted without question.

It must be true because the cameraman was videoing it from his own helium balloon already waiting up there.
It's absolutely amazing what scientists can achieve. 

Unless the cameraman's name was Thor, you must have missed the part where the announcer said that the camera was in the rocket.

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2014, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

It's relevant because Buzz also writes (cough) fiction.

Are you suggesting that authors of fiction can't also write non-fiction? 

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 20, 2014, 07:03:59 AM

It must be true because the cameraman was videoing it from his own helium balloon already waiting up there.
It's absolutely amazing what scientists can achieve. 

Unless the cameraman's name was Thor, you must have missed the part where the announcer said that the camera was in the rocket.

No, I didn't miss it. It's extremely weird though how a camera in a rocket can simply observe this happening after release and inflation isn't it.
Fairy stories are for kids.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 20, 2014, 06:03:03 AM

Quote from: markjo on October 18, 2014, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 10:29:27 AM

Like I said, JK Rowling also writes books.

Lots of people write books.  How is that relevant to this discussion?

It's relevant because Buzz also writes (cough) fiction.

Are you suggesting that authors of fiction can't also write non-fiction? 

Not at all. I'm suggesting buzz writes fiction, just as Alan Bean paints it.

Quote from: blnjms on October 18, 2014, 12:03:45 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 18, 2014, 07:41:53 AM

Quote from: blnjms on October 18, 2014, 07:18:52 AM

The problem with FE'ers is that RE/space travel/grand universe HAS to be about brainwashing and all that. I am simply saying that I don't believe I'm brainwashed and FE'ers do. So we're at an impasse. It comes down to what you believe and I have made my choice, as have they. No FE'er is going to convince me otherwise, so I would be wasting my (and their) time by continuing to post. I will try not to from now on because I realize that I'm a guest here and will always be contradicted because that's the nature of the beast. It's like a Protestant going to a Catholic website and trying to change people on its forums. Good luck.

That's the thing though. It isn't a problem. The very fact rthat the indoctrinated globe model, plus a lot of science begs questions, is the reason it's being questioned.
Like you said: you're not going to have your mind changed at all about what you believe. Fair enough, no one is interested in whether you do or not, you have to do that for yourself.
It would be good to see people start to question stuff but people like you are too far gone to even give anything logical thought because you are so saturated in bullshit science. Sorry if that hurts but it's true.
Maybe one day in a few decades or so, the light bulb may come on with something, which will then make you start to go back through what you believe right now.

Instead of trying to fight the flat Earth society, try and embrace it and use it as a tool for questioning, even if you just do it as a leisure exercise. You never know, you may surprise yourself.

Coming on here and following some dunderheads who appear to have some global Earth clout, will make you no better than them.
Try following your own thoughts and try not to be intimidated by the majority just because you feel more comfortable doing so. Man up you weakling, show me you have some questioning backbone.

If it were bullshit science, I'd have abandoned it by now. If you think I'm close-minded, I've changed religions more than once. I started as Orthodox/Catholic, then went to atheism, then went to fundamentalism (Church of Christ), then nothing, really (limbo), then Catholicism. If I had a reason to doubt RE/space travel/universe I would have, but I left those doubts behind when I grew up. The so-called indoctrination was simply getting on board with the best science has to offer, and FE certainly doesn't offer any that I can detect!

You've changed religion a few times, on what evidence? It's all based on faith and yet you changed it, why?
Peer pressure can be the only answer.
It appears you took the weak road and followed the masses to start with, wherever you were at the time, either in locality or in mind. They say a person can be converted into any faith if they're caught at a low ebb. I believe this because I've seen it numerous times, first hand.

You refuse to question your globe model because it's the same principle. It's based on mass public opinion, like religion which has all been told by those at the top and accepted on faith coupled with the explanations as to why this globe faith is the one to follow.

The absolute truth - deny it if you want - is - both models, flat or globe, are indistinguishable to the naked eye or by scope, except for the manipulation of minds by those that chose to go with one model for all to follow.

Peer pressure isn't why I changed religions, though my wife did influence me to return to Catholicism. Still, I didn't just go back to church but stayed away until I felt ready to sit in the pews again. I've already questioned RE and concluded that it's sound. Like I said in a previous post, if I had a reason to question RE/space travel/universe I would, but I don't have a reason. Just because you question it doesn't make it false. You could be wrong (shock). I can't even entertain the idea of FE as a leisure exercise because that would be a waste of my time.

Peer pressure isn't why I changed religions, though my wife did influence me to return to Catholicism.

And that's just one person influencing you. No wonder you go with the flow.

Still, I didn't just go back to church but stayed away until I felt ready to sit in the pews again.

Yeah, you postponed the inevitable.

I've already questioned RE and concluded that it's sound.

No you haven't. If you had, I guarantee you would not be so sure about it.

Like I said in a previous post, if I had a reason to question RE/space travel/universe I would, but I don't have a reason.

You don't have a reason because you don't want a reason. Everything is tickety boo for you just following the trend. That's fair enough. At least you are honest enough about it.

Just because you question it doesn't make it false. You could be wrong (shock).

I could be wrong about my thoughts concerning Earth's actual make up and shape. The only shape I'm certain it isn't, is a solid rotating globe that we live on top of - and around - plus under.

I can't even entertain the idea of FE as a leisure exercise because that would be a waste of my time.

So, why are you here? seriously, what's your reasoning for being here?
Don't use the old, " I'm here to see the silly answers of flat Earther's" routine. You also can't use the inquisitive stance, either as you've already said your mind is fully made up.

I think you're mixed up and you are really here to fathom out what's what. You are just too weak to admit it fior fear of ridicule among global Earther's on here.