So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 07:59:52 PM

I am sorry.  I thought this was a debate forum.  Oh, wait... 

It is. So debate what I said. Don't ignore it.

I did debate what you said.  You simply ignore anything I say that you do not like, and then pretend I did not say anything. 

Well, you'd also get mad if you were cornered and called a liar, thief and coward in public by someone who'd already tried to burn you in an interview before, I would think.

The key word here is cornered, I would say. 

Quote from: Socratic Amusement on August 06, 2014, 08:14:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 07:59:52 PM

I am sorry.  I thought this was a debate forum.  Oh, wait... 

It is. So debate what I said. Don't ignore it.

I did debate what you said.  You simply ignore anything I say that you do not like, and then pretend I did not say anything.

No, you didn't. Not one part of your reply addressed this:

"And the scumfuck just keeps hounding and insulting him, even after Buzz threatens to call the cops. And then he punches him after the man insults him."

Or this part:

"More than justified."

Or this part:

"I've worked as a freelance reporter before. That is no way to go about getting your questions answers. Ambushing someone and hounding them is a great way to make someone defensive about anything. Because you are presenting yourself as an aggressive, potentially violent physical threat."

Or this part:

"I'd have laid that fucker out too."


You replied to none of those things.

Please watch your language in the upper fora.  Kids read these pages.  If you want to cuss at me, you can PM me and I will not hold it against you, but keep the upper fora clean, OK? 

Please watch your language in the upper fora.  Kids read these pages.  If you want to cuss at me, you can PM me and I will not hold it against you, but keep the upper fora clean, OK?

Noted.

Now can you please respond to what I said?

jroa Buzz was a marine before he became an astronit, come on be loyal to an old warrior buddy.

Marines are supposed to have an honest constitution and integrity; however, that does not mean none of them (us) can be untruthful. 

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 08:17:01 PM

Quote from: Socratic Amusement on August 06, 2014, 08:14:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 07:59:52 PM

I am sorry.  I thought this was a debate forum.  Oh, wait... 

It is. So debate what I said. Don't ignore it.

I did debate what you said.  You simply ignore anything I say that you do not like, and then pretend I did not say anything.

No, you didn't. Not one part of your reply addressed this:

"And the scumfuck just keeps hounding and insulting him, even after Buzz threatens to call the cops. And then he punches him after the man insults him."

Or this part:

"More than justified."

Or this part:

"I've worked as a freelance reporter before. That is no way to go about getting your questions answers. Ambushing someone and hounding them is a great way to make someone defensive about anything. Because you are presenting yourself as an aggressive, potentially violent physical threat."

Or this part:

"I'd have laid that fucker out too."


You replied to none of those things.

Yes, I did.  I responded with an argument about liars getting defensive.  Did you not even read what I wrote? 

Mate the old Aussies who went to war were a rough lot, and not shy of a bit of thieving but they sat in the pub with their mates and stood up like the 3 musketeers for each other, good bad or ugly, mostly ugly.

Mate the old Aussies who went to war were a rough lot, and not shy of a bit of thieving but they sat in the pub with their mates and stood up like the 3 musketeers for each other, good bad or ugly, mostly ugly.

When you have your mate's back and you expect him to have yours, you form a bond.  However, that does not mean that everyone feels the same.  My eldest son is a Marine, and followed after me.  I would trust him with my life.  However, that does not mean I have never seen a Marine be untruthful or dishonest. 

People are people.  Like you said, the good, the bad, and the ugly.  But, if I am at a bar, and someone gets in a fight and says anything about Marines helping him, I will be there, just like I would for my family.  That does not make them truthful, it just makes them brothers. 

I have a disabled Marine living with me, who is having a very hard time getting his VA benefits (in case you don't know, the US VA is fucked right now).  I would do anything for him because he was a Gunny in the Corpes, and a life long brother.  My girlfriend gets mad at me, but I pay for everything and don't charge him rent.  Please, don't tell me what comradery is. 

Sorry mate that is not what I was about. Good on you for what you do. No lack of respect meant.

I was a Sargent, and I had many opportunities to fuck Marines over; yet, I have only a couple of times recommended Marines for page 11s or Office Hours.  I have many times covered up for peoples misdoings, and put my ass on the line over and over. 

You want to berate me for accusing one Marine of not being truthful?  Really?  I have had privates and corporals and even officers behind me and in front of me.  I trusted my life to them, but you seem to insinuate that they could never lie. 

If you ever want to know what I did in the Corpse, feel free to send me a PM.  In the mean time, please don't tell me what I should or should not feel about my fellow Marines. 

I was out of school, once I again I apologize.

I lost my job the other day, so I don't care as much about giving personal information.  I spent 4 years in a regular infantry company, and 4 years in two different Force Recon Companies (not in that order).  markjo is about the only one I actually respect here.  You want to talk about people being Marines?  I think I have a little more experience with that than you. 

Well, this thread has go somewhat weird...


Anyway, 25 US marines have been into space, presumably they are all lying actors working for the conspiracy as well?

Can I ask you if your brothers are damn dirty liars?  Because that is what you are asking me.   

The sun is just coming up in the good old USA, Maybe some boys and girls should be asleep.

Can I ask you if your brothers are damn dirty liars?  Because that is what you are asking me.

This is a perfect example really. Jroa, you are acting very defensively even after being apologized to twice. It seems a disproportionate reaction to some Bozo on the Internet^tm who is not even in front of you demanding a response. On your view, your response makes you sinister in some way. Are you lying about being a marine?

On my view I see someone who gets pissed off when something he cares a great deal about gets treated with less than the respect it deserves. Can you see how Aldrin's behavior is not proof of anything?

Can I ask you if your brothers are damn dirty liars?  Because that is what you are asking me.

I'm asking you if those 25 marines are lying about having traveled into space.

Let's be clear here: you are the one accusing them of being "damn dirty liars", not me. I think they are honest when they say they were astronauts.

According to you they are most likely Satanists as well...

Quote from: jroa on August 07, 2014, 04:57:53 AM

Can I ask you if your brothers are damn dirty liars?  Because that is what you are asking me.

I'm asking you if those 25 marines are lying about having traveled into space.

Let's be clear here: you are the one accusing them of being "damn dirty liars", not me. I think they are honest when they say they were astronauts.

According to you they are most likely Satanists as well...

This was my doing and I have made my peace with the man. Can you all get back to the real job as in the shape of the planet.

Quote from: Socratic Amusement on August 06, 2014, 08:20:23 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 08:17:01 PM

Quote from: Socratic Amusement on August 06, 2014, 08:14:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 06, 2014, 07:59:52 PM

I am sorry.  I thought this was a debate forum.  Oh, wait... 

It is. So debate what I said. Don't ignore it.

I did debate what you said.  You simply ignore anything I say that you do not like, and then pretend I did not say anything.

No, you didn't. Not one part of your reply addressed this:

"And the scumfuck just keeps hounding and insulting him, even after Buzz threatens to call the cops. And then he punches him after the man insults him."

Or this part:

"More than justified."

Or this part:

"I've worked as a freelance reporter before. That is no way to go about getting your questions answers. Ambushing someone and hounding them is a great way to make someone defensive about anything. Because you are presenting yourself as an aggressive, potentially violent physical threat."

Or this part:

"I'd have laid that fucker out too."


You replied to none of those things.

Yes, I did.  I responded with an argument about liars getting defensive.  Did you not even read what I wrote?

I did. The first time you said it. Which is why I made a argument against it.

You then repeated yourself, and didn't respond to a single thing I said.

guv and I are good now.  Let's please try to get back on topic.  Thanks. 

Fair enough - maybe just lock the thread and let it sink?

Let's please try to get back on topic.  Thanks.

The original topic was about Buzz Aldrin being possibly brainwashed and the veracity of his claims about walking on the moon.  As he he possesses an engineering Bachelor of Science degree, and a Doctor of Science degree in astronautics, I find this "brainwashing" notion extremely unlikely.  Peripherally, it was noted that Aldrin was purportedly a former Marine—which is incorrect.  He was actually a USAF pilot.

jroa then started out on one of his typically off-topic rants about, in this case, Marines—and being one himself—and their invariable honesty and integrity.  He did admit a couple of times that Marines could and did lie at times—in order to explain Aldrin's atypical outburst when questioned with the verbally abusive tactics of a street reporter renowned for offensive breaches of press etiquette.

So... after posting half a dozen comments about Marines—not even related to the Aldrin "brainwashing" conspiracy—jroa then has the gall to say "please try to get back on topic" LOL.  This is yet another example of why I posted my comments in the 'Suggestions & Concerns' forum a few days ago regarding inconsistent and one-sided moderation.

This debate is (was) about Buzz Aldrin and the proposition that he was lying, deluded or brainwashed jroa, and not about you and your Marine buddies being honest or otherwise.  Please try to stay on-topic in future.  Thanks.

At least Niel Armstrong was able to get free of his brainwashing:

LEBANON, OHIO—Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government.

According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, OmissionControl.org.

The Onion is a US news satire organization. It runs an entertainment website featuring satirical articles reporting on international, national, and local news.  Since 2007, the organization has published satirical news audio and video online, as the Onion News Network.

The Onion's articles comment on current events, both real and fictional. It parodies traditional news websites with stories, editorials, op-ed pieces, and man-in-the-street interviews, using a traditional news website layout and an editorial voice modeled after that of AP. Its humour often depends on presenting mundane, everyday events as newsworthy, surreal or alarming.

Its Neil Armstrong spoof continues the tradition of satire.  (I'm assuming markjo has posted this with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.

If you think that markjo posted that tongue-in-cheek, then why do you feel compelled to comment on it? 

The Onion is a US news satire organization. It runs an entertainment website featuring satirical articles reporting on international, national, and local news.  Since 2007, the organization has published satirical news audio and video online, as the Onion News Network.

The Onion's articles comment on current events, both real and fictional. It parodies traditional news websites with stories, editorials, op-ed pieces, and man-in-the-street interviews, using a traditional news website layout and an editorial voice modeled after that of AP. Its humour often depends on presenting mundane, everyday events as newsworthy, surreal or alarming.

Its Neil Armstrong spoof continues the tradition of satire.

Thanks for that Geoff, I had no idea.  If you hadn't used extensive bolding I would still be confused.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 17, 2014, 04:53:29 PM

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm

Are you seriously using that site as support for your argument that NASA faked the moon landings?  That website also has this to say about atomic bombs:

"...atomic bombs are just rubbish propaganda. They do not work. No atomic bombs were ever dropped on Japan 1945. It was just propaganda."

Thanks for discussing or at least linking to my observations why human space travel and atomic bombs do not work.
People believe in human space travel and atomic bombs because they are ignorant and accept stupid propaganda since 1945 onwards.
No big deal actually. Nobody is hurt. It keeps unemployable physicists employed and costs much less than the real, impossible things.
It would cost even less just to admit it was and is pure propaganda and that is my objective.
I am quite optimistic that with Internet and intelligent fora we will soon achieve that objective.

Thanks for discussing or at least linking to my observations why human space travel and atomic bombs do not work.
People believe in human space travel and atomic bombs because they are ignorant and accept stupid propaganda since 1945 onwards.
No big deal actually. Nobody is hurt. It keeps unemployable physicists employed and costs much less than the real, impossible things.
It would cost even less just to admit it was and is pure propaganda and that is my objective.
I am quite optimistic that with Internet and intelligent fora we will soon achieve that objective.

Oooh, great.  Another random guy on the internet waving his hands around and telling us about ludicrous conspiracy theories and how ignorant we all are just so he can feel a bit better about all those exams he failed.  Just what the world needs more of.

Have you anything substantial to add?  Like taking us through how "they" convinced the 536 people from 35 different countries to lie about their space travel?  Or how the conspiracy is maintained across the 11 countries who now have launch capabilities?  Or how 10s of thousands of private companies think they are paying for commercial satellite use when in fact it is just sorcery used by the conspiracy?

Pro-tip: bring some actual evidence, not hand waving bullshit.

I find it amusing how conspiracy nutters assume that the less their information sources have to do with NASA, other space agencies, official sources (you know, the sources that you'd expect would have the most complete information about the subject), the more accurate and trustworthy they must be.