Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #780 on: May 11, 2014, 01:35:43 PM »
There are actually many eyewitness accounts. A quick Google search will give you the answers you seek.
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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #781 on: May 11, 2014, 01:51:04 PM »
These heart wrenching stories don't stand up to scrutiny, you know. They're designed to get you to turn your brain off (which most of you have turned off, anyway). Personally, I don't trust a word of her story. Any other eye witness accounts?
Of course, you silly boy.

This book is a detailed history of the bombings, including interviews with 80 survivors.

Why don't you buy it, read it, and get back to us?  There are hundreds of books on the subject if you are actually interested.

Or is that too much effort, when you can just go "blah blah conspiracy blah big lie blah" all over the internet without having to make any intellectual effort at all?

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #782 on: May 12, 2014, 02:51:53 AM »
You people are a sucker for a story aren't you. I could pick that story apart but it would fall on deaf ears.
And starman: don't go saying "why would they put a memorial there if it wasn't real." That's proof of absolutely nothing and you know it.

I don't know EXACTLY what happened during the war. I wasn't alive, so I have to dissect it all, including stories to see if they stand up to actual supposed recorded events and they fail on many accounts.

There's a memorial in a field in Pennysylvania for victims of a plane crash. Any person with just a few per cent functioning brain matter can see that no airliner crashed in the spot they said it did. And the witness testimonies are to say the least, very badly acted and ridiculous.

The list is endless with these carry ons'... we live in a world of complete and utter bull shit, told to us by wannabe bad actors, all for a small wage and a bit of facial fame and maybe the promise of future film roles in such flicks as zombie ear biters.....a low budget film that they believe will propel them to stardom...the same films that attract an audeince of about 1000 over the 30 years it is shown on money ripping netflix set up's, mixed in with some decent films.

The world you live in is one big mind f*** and you just can't see it, even when it's smacking you in the face like a battering ram.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #783 on: May 12, 2014, 02:59:01 AM »
You people are a sucker for a story aren't you. I could pick that story apart but it would fall on deaf ears.
And starman: don't go saying "why would they put a memorial there if it wasn't real." That's proof of absolutely nothing and you know it.

I don't know EXACTLY what happened during the war. I wasn't alive, so I have to dissect it all, including stories to see if they stand up to actual supposed recorded events and they fail on many accounts.

There's a memorial in a field in Pennysylvania for victims of a plane crash. Any person with just a few per cent functioning brain matter can see that no airliner crashed in the spot they said it did. And the witness testimonies are to say the least, very badly acted and ridiculous.

The list is endless with these carry ons'... we live in a world of complete and utter bull shit, told to us by wannabe bad actors, all for a small wage and a bit of facial fame and maybe the promise of future film roles in such flicks as zombie ear biters.....a low budget film that they believe will propel them to stardom...the same films that attract an audeince of about 1000 over the 30 years it is shown on money ripping netflix set up's, mixed in with some decent films.

The world you live in is one big mind f*** and you just can't see it, even when it's smacking you in the face like a battering ram.
What's your view on certain events in Germany during WWII where many families lost many people?

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #784 on: May 12, 2014, 03:14:05 AM »
You people are a sucker for a story aren't you. I could pick that story apart but it would fall on deaf ears.
And starman: don't go saying "why would they put a memorial there if it wasn't real." That's proof of absolutely nothing and you know it.

I don't know EXACTLY what happened during the war. I wasn't alive, so I have to dissect it all, including stories to see if they stand up to actual supposed recorded events and they fail on many accounts.

There's a memorial in a field in Pennysylvania for victims of a plane crash. Any person with just a few per cent functioning brain matter can see that no airliner crashed in the spot they said it did. And the witness testimonies are to say the least, very badly acted and ridiculous.

The list is endless with these carry ons'... we live in a world of complete and utter bull shit, told to us by wannabe bad actors, all for a small wage and a bit of facial fame and maybe the promise of future film roles in such flicks as zombie ear biters.....a low budget film that they believe will propel them to stardom...the same films that attract an audeince of about 1000 over the 30 years it is shown on money ripping netflix set up's, mixed in with some decent films.

The world you live in is one big mind f*** and you just can't see it, even when it's smacking you in the face like a battering ram.
What's your view on certain events in Germany during WWII where many families lost many people?
Let's get something straight and clear before I carry on with anything. People lost their lives in all wars and I respect that fact.
People were bombed and atriocities happened. This isn't my point. It's not about the genuine people who have suffered.
It's about the lies and propaganda that has to be sifted through. It's not easy to determine fiction from non fiction in a lot of cases.
The only way it can be done is by sifting through testimonies and all the rest of it, then piecing it all together to see a picture emerge, whether that's a true picture or closer to the truth, or misinformation or downright lies.

I work on REASONABLE doubt to even start questioning things. I will then only call things out if the story appars to be a lie BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

Life is full of coincidences and luck. When those coincidences start looking far too much of a coincidence, then you questiion it.
The same with luck. If someone gets lucky once twice or 3 times against massive odds, you can accept it even if you're slightly dubious.
When it goes beyond that, you have to sit up and take real notice.

If there was nothing to be questioned, then I wouldn't be questioning.

So what specifically are we talking about with the world wars?
Let me just make one thing clear. Do not under any circumstances try to involve me in the atrocities in any way, shape or form, because I won't answer.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #785 on: May 12, 2014, 05:16:32 AM »
The term to describe me, starman, is, not easily satisfied by stories.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #786 on: May 12, 2014, 05:34:36 AM »
The term to describe me, starman, is, not easily satisfied by stories.
Terms such as: moron, attention whore and troll spring more readily to mind.
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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #787 on: May 12, 2014, 06:52:14 AM »
The Matrix is a system, Scepti,,,. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

You're way a head Scepti and you know it ,,,,don't you,,,,,

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #788 on: May 12, 2014, 07:13:58 AM »
The Matrix is a system, Scepti,,,. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

You're way a head Scepti and you know it ,,,,don't you,,,,,
Absolutely. I know that most of these people are lost causes you can tell that in their answers.
As long as those that are switched on get what I've said, then I'm happy with that.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #789 on: May 12, 2014, 07:24:09 AM »
The Matrix is a system, Scepti,,,. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

You're way a head Scepti and you know it ,,,,don't you,,,,,
And the system is not evil. It is just people looking for happiness, security, and a loving surrounding.
You're mixed up starman. People in general are loving. Society has turned people into materialistic psychopaths and it is by design, not accident.
They can dance you about on strings and you won't resist.

A nice house and paper money in the bank is bricks and mortar and pulped wood. Your bank balance is a digital clock on a wall in the high street.
You're a materialistic slave and will kill for the right to keep it if need be.

If you don't believe what those at the top have turned people into, just start a crisis and watch the looting. Or let's be more civilised and start a cheap furniture sale and watch the evil on peoples faces as they plot to disembowel the first person that tries...just tries to take their £50 flat screen TV or £10 set of drawers.

Has it ever occured to you that when people go to the starving countries, that those communities are all loving and sharing?
It's because they are all the same and value community spirit and love over greed for more.

People think TV is a luxury. It's a hypnotic box in the room that dictates how you run your life.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #790 on: May 12, 2014, 07:28:13 AM »
The Matrix is a system, Scepti,,,. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

You're way a head Scepti and you know it ,,,,don't you,,,,,
Absolutely. I know that most of these people are lost causes you can tell that in their answers.
As long as those that are switched on get what I've said, then I'm happy with that.
Only the people you perceive are lost to you. I am sure this world will go on just fine without you.
I'm just me. I'm nothing to anyone in this world apart from my family. When I'm gone my family will grieve and get over it. Other people will register a quick shock and carry on until they go their way.
This world ends when I go....for me... I feel sorry for those left behind but I probably won't know that, so I'll get it in now.


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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #791 on: May 12, 2014, 03:40:09 PM »

These heart wrenching stories don't stand up to scrutiny, you know. They're designed to get you to turn your brain off (which most of you have turned off, anyway). Personally, I don't trust a word of her story. Any other eye witness accounts?

Can you tell me what viable evidence you have to prove your claim that this image and Keiko Murakami's story are bogus?  Or are these simply your unfounded personal opinions?  Can you also tell me why, specifically, Mrs Murakami's story plus those of hundreds of other eyewitness accounts would've been allegedly fabricated?  What personal advantage would there have been in lying about the event—particularly 70 years after it occurred?

Unless you have contradictory, empirical evidence disproving these people's claims, then I'm saying it's your story that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #792 on: May 12, 2014, 03:49:41 PM »
You people are a sucker for a story aren't you. I could pick that story apart but it would fall on deaf ears.

I for one would be more than happy to give you some more of my time sceptimatic.

Could you please list half a dozen salient points from Keiko Murakami's eyewitness account that you can prove unequivocally are either misrepresentations or outright lies on her part?  You've claimed here that you could "pick that story apart", and if you can, then I'm quite happy to consider your evidence.

So... let's hear some of it.
 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #793 on: May 12, 2014, 06:02:55 PM »
You people are a sucker for a story aren't you. I could pick that story apart but it would fall on deaf ears.

I for one would be more than happy to give you some more of my time sceptimatic.

Could you please list half a dozen salient points from Keiko Murakami's eyewitness account that you can prove unequivocally are either misrepresentations or outright lies on her part?  You've claimed here that you could "pick that story apart", and if you can, then I'm quite happy to consider your evidence.

So... let's hear some of it.
Well, I think you will just have to PM him and then promise never to mention anything that was revealed in the PM.  Oh and also to never say if you actually received anything via PM anyways.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #794 on: May 18, 2014, 11:09:23 AM »

I gave you 4 chances, Geoffrey, so here's the final deal.
If you want the data, then pm me. I'll give you till midnight tonight, my time. The time is 9:07 am, right now.
If anyone thinks I'm being unfair or not trying to help Geoffrey, let me know.

Just a short comment to confirm that I PMd sceptimatic as he requested, and he subsequently provided a brief outline of his experiment for me.

For the moment, I'll reserve commenting further—until we communicate about a few more details.
I pm'd him too.  You probably got the same 'MS paint' I did.  As ridiculous/funny as it is, I'll refrain from posting elsewhere.

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« Reply #795 on: May 18, 2014, 11:40:16 AM »

I gave you 4 chances, Geoffrey, so here's the final deal.
If you want the data, then pm me. I'll give you till midnight tonight, my time. The time is 9:07 am, right now.
If anyone thinks I'm being unfair or not trying to help Geoffrey, let me know.

Just a short comment to confirm that I PMd sceptimatic as he requested, and he subsequently provided a brief outline of his experiment for me.

For the moment, I'll reserve commenting further—until we communicate about a few more details.
I pm'd him too.  You probably got the same 'MS paint' I did.  As ridiculous/funny as it is, I'll refrain from posting elsewhere.
It could change the whole of science.  Possibly.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #796 on: May 18, 2014, 01:14:03 PM »
A week ago I addressed a couple of questions to two flat earthers regarding the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


This one to Legion:
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Can you tell me what viable evidence you have to prove your claim that this image and Keiko Murakami's story are bogus?  Or are these simply your unfounded personal opinions?  Can you also tell me why, specifically, Mrs Murakami's story plus those of hundreds of other eyewitness accounts would've been allegedly fabricated?  What personal advantage would there have been in lying about the event—particularly 70 years after it occurred?


And this one to sceptimatic:
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Could you please list half a dozen salient points from Keiko Murakami's eyewitness account that you can prove unequivocally are either misrepresentations or outright lies on her part?  You've claimed here that you could "pick that story apart", and if you can, then I'm quite happy to consider your evidence.

It's obvious now that both these flat earthers were unable to satisfactorily address either of my perfectly legitimate questions.  And, like a lot of other questions posed to them by round earthers on these forums, they simply ignore them and hope they'll be forgotten about as the thread progresses beyond a day or two.

In short, Legion can't prove that the image of the memorial is bogus; nor is sceptimatic able to pick Mrs Murakami's eye-witness story apart.

Both of them... all big talk, but no action.  Pathetic, and all too typical.
 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #797 on: May 18, 2014, 03:35:33 PM »
A week ago I addressed a couple of questions to two flat earthers regarding the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


This one to Legion:
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Can you tell me what viable evidence you have to prove your claim that this image and Keiko Murakami's story are bogus?  Or are these simply your unfounded personal opinions?  Can you also tell me why, specifically, Mrs Murakami's story plus those of hundreds of other eyewitness accounts would've been allegedly fabricated?  What personal advantage would there have been in lying about the event—particularly 70 years after it occurred?


And this one to sceptimatic:
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Could you please list half a dozen salient points from Keiko Murakami's eyewitness account that you can prove unequivocally are either misrepresentations or outright lies on her part?  You've claimed here that you could "pick that story apart", and if you can, then I'm quite happy to consider your evidence.

It's obvious now that both these flat earthers were unable to satisfactorily address either of my perfectly legitimate questions.  And, like a lot of other questions posed to them by round earthers on these forums, they simply ignore them and hope they'll be forgotten about as the thread progresses beyond a day or two.

In short, Legion can't prove that the image of the memorial is bogus; nor is sceptimatic able to pick Mrs Murakami's eye-witness story apart.

Both of them... all big talk, but no action.  Pathetic, and all too typical.
I was dealing with other matters. I'll pick this fantasy apart very easily. Obviously you will go into immediate denial of it all. I'll do this tomorrow.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #798 on: May 18, 2014, 03:49:38 PM »
I would say post your data too, but that is obviously all talk as well.
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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #799 on: May 18, 2014, 04:05:33 PM »
I would say post your data too, but that is obviously all talk as well.
My data is posted in full to those that count. You're not on that list because you mean nothing to me.

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« Reply #800 on: May 18, 2014, 04:43:27 PM »
Nobody has your data as it doesn't exist.
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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #801 on: May 19, 2014, 03:14:12 AM »
Ok let's start to take this story apart.

In the spring of 1943. I entered a public elementary school which was located on the north side of Hiroshima Castle, 1.2 kilometres from the spot where the Atomic Bomb was dropped.

Keep this in mind.

In those days many places in Japan were being bombed, but Hiroshima had not yet been targeted.
Also keep this in mind.

There were very few children remaining in the city of Hiroshima. School buildings were confiscated for the use of the army

Keep this in mind, too.

There was an air raid the night before, so everybody had to stay in shelters; nobody had a good sleep. That morning my father stayed home later than usual, and my mother was preparing breakfast. I casually said to my father that I did not want to go to school on that day. He was a very strict man, but strangely he gave me permission to cut classes. So I was inside, reading a magazine with my brother.
Suddenly father yelled from the yard, I hear the plane![/
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He said, I hear "THE" plane  ???
The plane was supposed to be at 31,000 feet.  ???

My brother and I rushed outside. Father shouted Watch out! Its not the sound of a Japanese plane.

31,000 feet and it's not the sound of a Japanese plane.  ::) Seriously?

All the neighbouring houses were damaged. There was nothing left standing. We walked to the river about 300 metres away; during that time we saw nobody. It was dead silent as if we were the only ones left in the world. Because we acted quickly, we seemed to be the first to come to the riverside.

So, minutes after the atom bomb was dropped, burning everything in sight and irradiating everything in sight, they walk to a riverside.  ::)

Father had my mother lie down in the shade of a bush. Before long wounded people were all around us people badly hurt, people with their flesh melting and drooping because of the burns. They were all crying and yelling. Their faces were so damaged by the heat of the blast that nobody could recognise anyone else.

So people were being burned by radiation but the BUSH was fine and can give shade. Keep in mind this shade for later testimonies of black rain which some people try to tell us was caused by the atom bomb actually making it rain on a hot sunny day...I kid you not.

Probably it was only my brother and I who had no apparent injuries.

Everyone else is unrecognisable due to radiation burns and her and her brother are fine. Does this make any sense whatsoever? It gets better.


With water from the river, my father roughly washed my sister who was covered with my mothers blood.Thank God, she started breathing again. We thought she had suffocated. Father was wild with joy. But my mothers milk had stopped. When he dipped a piece of into the water and tried to get my sister , she just cried in a feeble voice. Something had to be done.

On our side there was a well about 2 metres across. Wounded people peeped down into it. Having no means of scooping out the water, they ended up jumping into the well one after another, until it became a heap of people. Many died of suffocation.

There is a big river with water enough for a baby to suckle from a cloth dipped into it and yet people are jumping down a two metre across, well to get in the water.  ??? Seriously?

Father had a responsibility to help other citizens, and he tried to go to the office to grasp the situation. Fires had started here and there; the river was filled with people and animals and furniture. Many people were gathering at the river to get water, so it was impossible for him to cross the river. Father gave up going to the office and decided to help the people around him. He announced that rescue would soon come, asked them to be patient, and tried to prevent rioting and plundering.

He's trying to prevent rioting and plundering. The people are unrecognisable and severely burned and he's not only trying to stop them rioting and plundering but also doing it whilst he is badly injured.  ::)

We could not fill our stomachs. I tried to eat cucumbers and eggplants which grew on the riverside, but spewed them out on the spot. After many years, I learned that those who ate them at that time died because of the radiation on the vegetables.

The bomb had only just been built, not even tested and yet this woman knew exactly what the effects were on these plants, unaware of what an atom bomb was. Even the scientists (allegedly) long after, were still studying the effects of what the radiation had done. People want to make up their minds when telling porkies. I mean, stories.

Under a scorching sun, we started walking through the burnt out area with bare feet. The bottoms of our feet got burned and our skin stuck to the soil.

This atom bomb was allegedly detonated from 2000 feet and yet they are saying they walked in bare feet with skin sticking to the soil, where earlier they were unharmed.  ???

My grandfather and uncle saw the notice on the ruins of our house, and came looking for us. They explained, Its said that a special bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

They explained it was a special bomb, yet she already knew what it was, didn't she? After all, she remembered not to eat the egg plants and cucumbers growing along the river because of the radiation.

The story does not stand up as far as I'm concerned. That's just my take. What others make of it, is up to them.

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« Reply #802 on: May 19, 2014, 04:02:31 AM »
Ok, let's take apart your taking apart, shall we? First of all, you're focusing too much on language, and the little bits of it, to boot. Any time something gets translated, there's a good chance some words get changed, or one language doesn't have or use certain words that the target language does.

Ok let's start to take this story apart.

In the spring of 1943. I entered a public elementary school which was located on the north side of Hiroshima Castle, 1.2 kilometres from the spot where the Atomic Bomb was dropped.   I casually said to my father that I did not want to go to school on that day. He was a very strict man, but strangely he gave me permission to cut classes. So I was inside, reading a magazine with my brother.

Keep this in mind.


So, her school was 1.2 km away, about 3/4ths of a mile. Outside of "ground zero", but inside the severe damage blast zone. BUT She didn't go to school, and she didn't say how far away she lived from the school, nor in what direction. We all know how our parents/grandparents/great grandparents had to walk 2 miles to school, up hill, both ways, right?

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There were very few children remaining in the city of Hiroshima. School buildings were confiscated for the use of the army

Keep this in mind, too.

I'm assuming you want me to keep this in mind because she was supposed to go to school? she doesn't say "all schools", she doesn't say "my school", she says schools. So there's no conflict here between going to school, and schools being confiscated by the gov't, and in fact, gives more weight to my point above: She might've had to walk a considerable distance to get to this school.


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There was an air raid the night before, so everybody had to stay in shelters; nobody had a good sleep. That morning my father stayed home later than usual, and my mother was preparing breakfast.
Suddenly father yelled from the yard, I hear the plane![/
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He said, I hear "THE" plane  ???
The plane was supposed to be at 31,000 feet.  ???
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You are putting an historical bias on the word "the". today, we know it as "THE plane that dropped the bomb", and as stated above, this may be a case where she said something that would have a literal translation like "hear plane" and the translator "filled in", to make it an english sentence.

Also, prop planes are significantly louder in air, than our jets are at cruising altitude today.
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All the neighbouring houses were damaged. There was nothing left standing. We walked to the river about 300 metres away; during that time we saw nobody. It was dead silent as if we were the only ones left in the world. Because we acted quickly, we seemed to be the first to come to the riverside.

So, minutes after the atom bomb was dropped, burning everything in sight and irradiating everything in sight, they walk to a riverside.  ::)

Perhaps that was the town's/neighborhood's designated emergency response area? You're not very good at this "free thinking" thing today scepti.

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Father had my mother lie down in the shade of a bush. Before long wounded people were all around us people badly hurt, people with their flesh melting and drooping because of the burns. They were all crying and yelling. Their faces were so damaged by the heat of the blast that nobody could recognise anyone else.

So people were being burned by radiation but the BUSH was fine and can give shade. Keep in mind this shade for later testimonies of black rain which some people try to tell us was caused by the atom bomb actually making it rain on a hot sunny day...I kid you not.

Probably it was only my brother and I who had no apparent injuries.

Everyone else is unrecognisable due to radiation burns and her and her brother are fine. Does this make any sense whatsoever? It gets better.


With water from the river, my father roughly washed my sister who was covered with my mothers blood.Thank God, she started breathing again. We thought she had suffocated. Father was wild with joy. But my mothers milk had stopped. When he dipped a piece of into the water and tried to get my sister , she just cried in a feeble voice. Something had to be done.

On our side there was a well about 2 metres across. Wounded people peeped down into it. Having no means of scooping out the water, they ended up jumping into the well one after another, until it became a heap of people. Many died of suffocation.

There is a big river with water enough for a baby to suckle from a cloth dipped into it and yet people are jumping down a two metre across, well to get in the water.  ??? Seriously?




Father had a responsibility to help other citizens, and he tried to go to the office to grasp the situation. Fires had started here and there; the river was filled with people and animals and furniture. Many people were gathering at the river to get water, so it was impossible for him to cross the river. Father gave up going to the office and decided to help the people around him. He announced that rescue would soon come, asked them to be patient, and tried to prevent rioting and plundering.

He's trying to prevent rioting and plundering. The people are unrecognisable and severely burned and he's not only trying to stop them rioting and plundering but also doing it whilst he is badly injured.  ::)


In general here, I think you're over estimating peoples ability to think rationally in a tragedy.


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We could not fill our stomachs. I tried to eat cucumbers and eggplants which grew on the riverside, but spewed them out on the spot. After many years, I learned that those who ate them at that time died because of the radiation on the vegetables.

The bomb had only just been built, not even tested and yet this woman knew exactly what the effects were on these plants, unaware of what an atom bomb was. Even the scientists (allegedly) long after, were still studying the effects of what the radiation had done. People want to make up their minds when telling porkies. I mean, stories.

Maybe you should re-read what you colored and bolded. After many years, she learned that the people that ate those veggies, died. She didn't say why she didn't eat them, she didn't imply that she knew what it was, she just spit them out.
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The story does not stand up as far as I'm concerned. That's just my take. What others make of it, is up to them.

You "tearing apart", of the story, doesn't stand up, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #803 on: May 19, 2014, 04:29:58 AM »
RandonRealist: stop getting into a panic; you're wasting your time trying that crap on me. The taking apart is for those that are prepared to think, not for people like you that are prepared to go immediately into silly debunk mode.
Your rebuttals are pathetic.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #804 on: May 19, 2014, 11:44:40 AM »
Asian languages are written in the form of pictograms, not letters of the alphabet; Japanese is a pictographic language.  It's therefore impossible to accurately transliterate Japanese into English.  Many Japanese pictograms can have multiple meanings, and can be written as a combination of parts of 2 or more other pictograms.

Spoken Japanese is also difficult to translate into English because of something known as phonotactics (whereby, for example, we English speakers mishear a Japanese speaker allegedly mispronounce "R" as "L" when in fact it's not exactly the case).  And spoken Japanese is also rife with homophones; for example kikio can mean either 'return to harbour' or 'mechanical'.

So I'm afraid that simply picking on the semantics of the translation isn't sufficient in any way to prove that Keiko Murakami was lying deliberately or unintentionally misrepresenting anything she saw.  Why would she anyway?  It'd be pointless.

So, logically, it comes down to the fact that she was in Japan in 1945 and you (obviously) weren't.  She recounts a story of what she witnessed there at the time the atom bomb was dropped.  That means it's nothing more than your personal opinion that she's simply concocting a graphic story of her survival and the after-effects of the bombing.

It's impossible for you to have any viable evidence at all in order to prove that her story is bogus.  And you certainly haven't "taken apart" her story in any meaningful way—apart from disingenuously questioning a few ultimately immaterial facts.  The only people that could falsify any/all of her claims would be anybody who was there with her.
 





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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #805 on: May 19, 2014, 11:54:11 AM »
Asian languages are written in the form of pictograms, not letters of the alphabet; Japanese is a pictographic language.  It's therefore impossible to accurately transliterate Japanese into English.  Many Japanese pictograms can have multiple meanings, and can be written as a combination of parts of 2 or more other pictograms.

Spoken Japanese is also difficult to translate into English because of something known as phonotactics (whereby, for example, we English speakers mishear a Japanese speaker allegedly mispronounce "R" as "L" when in fact it's not exactly the case).  And spoken Japanese is also rife with homophones; for example kikio can mean either 'return to harbour' or 'mechanical'.

So I'm afraid that simply picking on the semantics of the translation isn't sufficient in any way to prove that Keiko Murakami was lying deliberately or unintentionally misrepresenting anything she saw.  Why would she anyway?  It'd be pointless.

So, logically, it comes down to the fact that she was in Japan in 1945 and you (obviously) weren't.  She recounts a story of what she witnessed there at the time the atom bomb was dropped.  That means it's nothing more than your personal opinion that she's simply concocting a graphic story of her survival and the after-effects of the bombing.

It's impossible for you to have any viable evidence at all in order to prove that her story is bogus.  And you certainly haven't "taken apart" her story in any meaningful way—apart from disingenuously questioning a few ultimately immaterial facts.  The only people that could falsify any/all of her claims would be anybody who was there with her.
She certainly doesn't recall black rain or rain at all, like some suggested happened because the bomb made it rain.
Is this down to not knowing what Japanese means, even though I'm sure there would have been an interpretor right there in front of them that must know what they're saying.
One hell of a sidestep though, I'll give you that, with this words don't mean the same.

There's always a weird reason when things like this is pulled apart.
I knew instantly you would go straight into debunk mode. How long did it take you to look up a reason, because I'm quite sure you aren't fluent in Japanese.

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« Reply #806 on: May 19, 2014, 12:12:13 PM »

I knew instantly you would go straight into debunk mode.

Uh..... you're actually contradicting yourself here sceptimatic LOL.

We round earthers present Keiko Murakami's story as actual eye-witness evidence of the results of the bombing.  We accept it as a true and ultimately accurate recounting of what occurred.

It's you that's trying to debunk her story.  So it's you who is in "debunk mode" as you call it.

—Quite funny really to anybody with an idea of logics.
 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #807 on: May 19, 2014, 12:23:59 PM »

I knew instantly you would go straight into debunk mode.

Uh..... you're actually contradicting yourself here sceptimatic LOL.

We round earthers present Keiko Murakami's story as actual eye-witness evidence of the results of the bombing.  We accept it as a true and ultimately accurate recounting of what occurred.

It's you that's trying to debunk her story.  So it's you who is in "debunk mode" as you call it.

—Quite funny really to anybody with an idea of logics.
Logic is not a strong point with you.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #808 on: May 19, 2014, 01:10:46 PM »

I knew instantly you would go straight into debunk mode.

Uh..... you're actually contradicting yourself here sceptimatic LOL.

We round earthers present Keiko Murakami's story as actual eye-witness evidence of the results of the bombing.  We accept it as a true and ultimately accurate recounting of what occurred.

It's you that's trying to debunk her story.  So it's you who is in "debunk mode" as you call it.

—Quite funny really to anybody with an idea of logics.
Logic is not a strong point with you.
Meanwhile, have you organised a visit, you could then tell us what they tried to explain to you.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #809 on: May 19, 2014, 01:27:47 PM »

I knew instantly you would go straight into debunk mode.

Uh..... you're actually contradicting yourself here sceptimatic LOL.

We round earthers present Keiko Murakami's story as actual eye-witness evidence of the results of the bombing.  We accept it as a true and ultimately accurate recounting of what occurred.

It's you that's trying to debunk her story.  So it's you who is in "debunk mode" as you call it.

—Quite funny really to anybody with an idea of logics.

Of course you do. You accept a lot of things as true that are probably not true. It's easier that way.

Sceptimatic summarised the absurdities in the account very well. I noticed most of them while I read it, too. Errors in translation is a weak excuse.
"Indoctrination [...] is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned".