The Reason Flat Earth Theory is Rediculous!

Flat Earthers will tell you that the only logical reason to believe in a Round Earth is that you have been brainwashed to believe this. Despite the overwhelming logic and evidence, they refuse to see any logical reason why we would live on a spherical world.

There are some real conspiracies in the world, and most of them, have actual logical reasons to think we may have been misled of what the real truth is. But there is absolutely no logical reason to think the world is flat and there is no logical reason to think there is a conspiracy on such a massive scale just to lie to us. If the world was indeed flat, we would just accept that as normal, and life would go on as usual. To think that all of the many people working at JPL, NASA and all space programs were in on the hoax and keeping it a secret. To think every photo of Earth from space was doctored. All satellites were fake. All pilots and ship captains not only have been lied to, not one figured it out they have been navigating a Fat Earth.

All of this for what? So they can fool us and high five behind our backs?

And the reason some will state is the Earth looks flat with your own 2 eyes. Then is there no such thing as Oxygen because I can't see it? No such thing as X rays, microwaves, sound waves? DNA isn't real? I do not see them in front of me. Obviously the Earth is enormous and we are small.

There is no reason to suggest the world is flat. That is why this is all complete nonsense! To have an elaborate hoax of such a massive scale like this, we would have to at least have 1 very good reason. We don't. I have not seen one person come up with a shocking reason why this could even be remotely possible.

The only reasons you have are your lack of understanding basic Earth science, and refusing to learn about it, and you simply just want to believe in the opposite of what everyone believes, even though you have no reason to that makes any sense.

Jer9999 also said and it is food for thought: "if the earth were flat it would be norm so this site would not exist." In other word, this site in one proof the earth is round. 

You can't even spell ridiculous (sorry, had to jab ya there lol).

Ok, in all seriousness this whole flat earth thing is entirely new to me. I head about it in a song by Bad Religion but didn't know it was a real thing until today. So I've been looking over all the threads and models and I can't believe everyone is making this as complicated as they have. In today's day and age with all of our modern conveniences and vehicles this should be incredibly simple to physically prove. I've read how people think photos from space are fake, and perspectives are distorted, etc, and I can understand people who don't believe things unless they see it with their own eyes, so why not get a group of equally mixed FE's and non FE's and take a boat/plane trip out to the great Antarctic wall and see for yourselves. Either they ALL see the wall with plenty of time to turn around our they ALL end up on the opposite side of the planet because the looped it. Or maybe on a smaller scale compare distances between two southern points on a globe AND on a flat earth model. Determine how long it would take to fly from one point to the other at a constant speed. Even if there are variables like wind or weather those two distances should vary so greatly on both maps that it would be simple to determine which map is correct. These aren't physically impossible options, even if cost is a factor both parties could split costs. I'm sure if this was their big chance to prove their argument once and for all they'd be willing to chip in.

I can completely see why both camps feel the way they do about their stance. I mean if the Earth were round then a plane flying straight would start to gain altitude and eventually fly into space because the Earth curves downward being a sphere. Also we always see the same face of the moon, so by flat earth logic then the moon must be flat as well.

Conversely if the world were flat then it would be daytime in the entire world at more or less the same time but it would never be daytime at one end of the earth and dark at another. If the sun is above a flat earth then it would light up the whole square to some degree. It also doesn't explain how far you'd have to dig before you fell through the other side, or what's even on the other side in the first place.

Theories and beliefs are all fine and good but I keep seeing laypeople throw out this theory and that law just trying to out intellect each other but the only way to get definite proof is to just go out and do it. See for yourselves. it either is or isn't flat and that's the only way for even the most close minded person to know for sure. They may not like the answer but that doesn't mean its wrong. Until then everyone should just shut up and stop trying to create converts, just live your life, think as you will, because when we die it won't matter if the earth is flat, round, double helix, or a pimple on a dog's ass.

I mean if the Earth were round then a plane flying straight would start to gain altitude and eventually fly into space because the Earth curves downward being a sphere.

But you can fly into space when you intend to such as with a rocket or space shuttle. A plane is keeping altitude at a calculated level the entire time so it will not go into space. This is basic physics. But just like clouds, when you circle the Earth you are bound within it's atmosphere if you are going horizontal. There are explanations for this and these questions can be answered. It is totally mental to just say you don't get it, so throw your hands up in the air and just scream conspiracy.

They may not like the answer but that doesn't mean its wrong. Until then everyone should just shut up and stop trying to create converts, just live your life, think as you will, because when we die it won't matter if the earth is flat, round, double helix, or a pimple on a dog's ass.

These answers are all out there, and unless you believe every shread of evidence is an elaborate hoax for no reason, then nobody needs to shut up or go to Antarctica to prove it. But they can simply fly around the world going in one direction if they wanted to. But then again, what is even more baffling, is there is absolutely no reason to suggest the Earth is flat. You may as well just say the Earth is triangle. There is no reason to think the Earth is not round and we have been lied to. There must be a strong reason and there is none. All Flat Earthers I have heard give the lamest explanations why the Earth is flat and their science doesn't make any sense. Such as the sun going down the horizon in a sunset is the sun being covered by dust particles so it is an optical illusion that the sun is going down. WTF? That is just plain dumb.

You can't even spell ridiculous (sorry, had to jab ya there lol).

Ok, in all seriousness this whole flat earth thing is entirely new to me. I head about it in a song by Bad Religion but didn't know it was a real thing until today. So I've been looking over all the threads and models and I can't believe everyone is making this as complicated as they have. In today's day and age with all of our modern conveniences and vehicles this should be incredibly simple to physically prove. I've read how people think photos from space are fake, and perspectives are distorted, etc, and I can understand people who don't believe things unless they see it with their own eyes, so why not get a group of equally mixed FE's and non FE's and take a boat/plane trip out to the great Antarctic wall and see for yourselves. Either they ALL see the wall with plenty of time to turn around our they ALL end up on the opposite side of the planet because the looped it. Or maybe on a smaller scale compare distances between two southern points on a globe AND on a flat earth model. Determine how long it would take to fly from one point to the other at a constant speed. Even if there are variables like wind or weather those two distances should vary so greatly on both maps that it would be simple to determine which map is correct. These aren't physically impossible options, even if cost is a factor both parties could split costs. I'm sure if this was their big chance to prove their argument once and for all they'd be willing to chip in.

I can completely see why both camps feel the way they do about their stance. I mean if the Earth were round then a plane flying straight would start to gain altitude and eventually fly into space because the Earth curves downward being a sphere. Also we always see the same face of the moon, so by flat earth logic then the moon must be flat as well.

Conversely if the world were flat then it would be daytime in the entire world at more or less the same time but it would never be daytime at one end of the earth and dark at another. If the sun is above a flat earth then it would light up the whole square to some degree. It also doesn't explain how far you'd have to dig before you fell through the other side, or what's even on the other side in the first place.

Theories and beliefs are all fine and good but I keep seeing laypeople throw out this theory and that law just trying to out intellect each other but the only way to get definite proof is to just go out and do it. See for yourselves. it either is or isn't flat and that's the only way for even the most close minded person to know for sure. They may not like the answer but that doesn't mean its wrong. Until then everyone should just shut up and stop trying to create converts, just live your life, think as you will, because when we die it won't matter if the earth is flat, round, double helix, or a pimple on a dog's ass.

The FE'ers don't want to do those test because it will defeat the purpose of this site. They will look foolish to the world and they could not handle the truth for once and for all. Traveling Antarctica is very costly. Not too many RE'ers would want to spend money on a stupid adventure like that. Maybe some billionaire with nothing else to do may do it for the fun of it. Either way you can get pole flights but that would not be enough for them.

Seriously, tl;dr

Why don't you people ever just give a short statement?  You act like I have a reason to read all of your dribble. 

Yea of course. Why read or learn anything. We should all only know what we can see right in front of us. There is no time to actually understand anything.

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support. 

Also we always see the same face of the moon, so by flat earth logic then the moon must be flat as well.

Actually this is not strictly correct.  We do see two slightly different faces of the moon from earth.  It's a process known as "moon libration" and is a slight rocking back and forth motion of the moon:
 
 

 
This image shows the different locations of certain geographical features on the moon's surface, and proves—contrary to what many flat-earthers believe—that the moon is spherical.  And we can actually see 59% of its surface because of this.
 

 

Seriously, tl;dr

Why don't you people ever just give a short statement?  You act like I have a reason to read all of your dribble.

Well, I guess if you dismiss someone's comments purely on the number of lines they write, then you're gonna potentially miss out on maybe learning something new or enlightening.  You might even discover some scientific evidence you've never considered before.  If you really wanna stop learning, then you may as well give up living—as my dear old mum used to say.

And how may I ask can you allege that Jer9999's comments were drivel (and not dribble LOL) if you didn't take the time to even read them?  I'd call that a very unfair critique wouldn't you?  Or do you prefer the smug, head-in-the-sand approach jroa?
 

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

Quote from: jroa on March 18, 2014, 01:44:00 AM

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

Actually, you have hit on one of sceptimatic's ideas. He believes the stars and planets are small specks which shine and are attached to the canopy which is a dome over the earth.The canopy is about a little more distant from the earth than the moon and the sun are at about 3000 miles from the earth.

Or.....Paraphrasing the words of  Will Rogers, "All I know about the Flat Earth is what I read on the Flat Earth Society Forum Website and that's my excuse for ignorance." So if I am wrong, would some FE please correct me ?

Quote from: jroa on March 18, 2014, 01:44:00 AM

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

You only know what a star is because of what you have been told by your round Earth trained scientists.  You just take their word for it, and you are happy to not have to think for yourself. 

Jer9999 also said and it is food for thought: "if the earth were flat it would be norm so this site would not exist." In other word, this site in one proof the earth is round.

Are you being serious  I sure hope not

Quote from: Jer9999 on March 18, 2014, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 18, 2014, 01:44:00 AM

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

You only know what a star is because of what you have been told by your round Earth trained scientists.  You just take their word for it, and you are happy to not have to think for yourself. 

Agreed, it is an important point to make jroa!

Quote from: Jer9999 on March 18, 2014, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 18, 2014, 01:44:00 AM

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

You only know what a star is because of what you have been told by your round Earth trained scientists.  You just take their word for it, and you are happy to not have to think for yourself.

It is possible to think for oneself and then agree with others.

It is also possible to question others while thinking for one's self. 

It is also possible to question others while thinking for one's self.

But not when you don't even listen or read to an explanation because, as you put it, "tl;dr"

Quote from: Jer9999 on March 18, 2014, 05:06:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 18, 2014, 01:44:00 AM

You can make a statement in one sentence.  Or, on the other hand, you can be lazy and post a link to information that you can't support.

So now we understand why he is a Flat Earther. He can't handle explanations for anything. "Earth looks flat, I don't see curve. Case closed."

Man you and you Round Earther explanations.

Next you'll tell me the stars aren't just white dots some alien just painted on the ceiling of the sky.

You only know what a star is because of what you have been told by your round Earth trained scientists.  You just take their word for it, and you are happy to not have to think for yourself.

It isn't that I believe only what I have been told, but there are steps that lead to these conclusions. You are ignoring that there are steps that lead to how I know the Earth is round and how I know there are stars above. The final conclusions after all of those steps are called facts. You act like we only get sound bytes with no explanations or steps leading up to it.

You only know what a star is because of what you have been told by your round Earth trained scientists.  You just take their word for it, and you are happy to not have to think for yourself.

Firstly jroa, there is no such person as a "round earth trained scientist".  This is nothing more than a derogatory, made up phrase, used in a feeble attempt to denigrate the accrued astrophysical science of 400 years by implying that all of those thousands of scientists have it wrong.  (And I know you're a much more worthy thinker than this would indicate.)  ALL scientists accept unequivocally that the earth is spherical.

So... as I've asked before, and will keep on asking until you provide all of us (both round earthers and flat earthers) with some viable names; can you please list some contemporary, accredited, academically-qualified astrophysicists and/or geophysicists who support your flat earth model, or who, conversely, disagree with the current oblate spheroid model?
 
(And please note that cable TV shows, and writers and "researchers", and conservationists aren't valid sources.)
 

To the guy who said TL;DR

Why would NASA and the whole scientific community lie? Thousands of people concealing the "truth"...for what? Please explain WHY they would go through the trouble of creating this elaborate hoax. Just give ONE reason. There is not one single thing to support your flat earth model. There are multitudes of facts and observations that prove the Earth is a sphere. Explain this.

To the guy who said TL;DR

Why would NASA and the whole scientific community lie? Thousands of people concealing the "truth"...for what? Please explain WHY they would go through the trouble of creating this elaborate hoax. Just give ONE reason. There is not one single thing to support your flat earth model. There are multitudes of facts and observations that prove the Earth is a sphere. Explain this.

They aren't all lying. 99% of them have no clue about the legitimacy. It's all compartmentalised. The other is your tax dollars that are reliant on two things that lead to one goal. It's reliant on your amazement and fear with the goal of keeping you controlled and a slave to the system, whilst willingly making yourself poor to feed the rich by doing what is asked (work) and giving it all back in tax and buying things you do not need but want by all means of brainwashing tactics.

Quote from: Seriously? on March 22, 2014, 11:05:47 AM

To the guy who said TL;DR

Why would NASA and the whole scientific community lie? Thousands of people concealing the "truth"...for what? Please explain WHY they would go through the trouble of creating this elaborate hoax. Just give ONE reason. There is not one single thing to support your flat earth model. There are multitudes of facts and observations that prove the Earth is a sphere. Explain this.

They aren't all lying. 99% of them have no clue about the legitimacy. It's all compartmentalised. The other is your tax dollars that are reliant on two things that lead to one goal. It's reliant on your amazement and fear with the goal of keeping you controlled and a slave to the system, whilst willingly making yourself poor to feed the rich by doing what is asked (work) and giving it all back in tax and buying things you do not need but want by all means of brainwashing tactics.

So the chinese satellite image of possible plane wreakage is false?

How does lying to me about the Earth's shape achieve that? I'm not seeing a connection. Because there isn't one.

How does lying to me about the Earth's shape achieve that? I'm not seeing a connection. Because there isn't one.

It is the extreme thinking of the conspiracy theorist. It is a master plan controlled my aliens.

How does lying to me about the Earth's shape achieve that? I'm not seeing a connection. Because there isn't one.

And this is one of the basic questions that the flat earthers have refused to address.  And I'm guessing it's simply because there is no logical reason that our governments would be any more philanthropic, or tax us less, even if it were proved the earth was flat.

What difference would the geometry of the earth have to do with government and corporatist control over us peasants?

Absolutely none.
 

Are you claiming that the government never, ever lies?  This seems a little ridiculous to me. 

Are you claiming that the government never, ever lies?  This seems a little ridiculous to me.

Read what is written, why do you always change things.  Where does it say that?

So, if the government does lie, then shouldn't we question what they tell us? 

So, if the government does lie, then shouldn't we question what they tell us?

So you are saying that every government and education and industry is involved in the shape of the earth?

No, I am saying that if they do lie, then maybe you should question what they say.