At sceptimatic's request...

Any danger of getting back on track with discussing some evidence?

Not likely! 

Ok, let's move on a little.

I'd like you all to watch this little video clip. It's self explanatory, so watch it, have a good laugh and we will go on from there, because I have many questions about it all, after I've stopped laughing, that is.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2009/jul/08/apollo-11-eagle-columbia-docking

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 25, 2014, 05:04:35 AM

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I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?

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Huge amounts! Will they be looked at and accepted by you and your friends? Nope! Not a chance.

I'd be pleased to see (at least some of) that evidence, and I can assure you that I won't dismiss it out of hand.  And I'll be more than happy to give you my considered and detailed opinion about its likelihood and/or veracity, and without resorting to put-downs or ridicule.  I don't work that way.

The ball is now in your court my friend.

Don't worry, Geoff, I'll still be putting it all in. Not for your benefit as such...but for the benefit of those who view with an open mind or those who suspect it was all a big money making con job.

You don't have to post your evidence solely for my benefit sceptimatic.  I'm sure the other folks here will be just as interested in seeing and assessing its value.

Nevertheless, I'll still be interested in seeing it myself, as you've made this claim about posting your purported "evidence" dozens of times on this forum.  So I'll believe it when—or if—I ever see it.
 
—If you're gonna talk the talk, you need to walk the walk.
 

Ok, let's move on a little.

I'd like you all to watch this little video clip. It's self explanatory, so watch it, have a good laugh and we will go on from there, because I have many questions about it all, after I've stopped laughing, that is.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2009/jul/08/apollo-11-eagle-columbia-docking

Sigh..

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:09:11 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 25, 2014, 05:04:35 AM

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I certainly give you kudos for repeatedly avoiding answering any questions LOL.  Well done!

Can I ask you why you doggedly regard NASA with such suspicion, and rebut all their research results out of hand?  You've yet to provide any viable evidence proving unequivocally that NASA is carrying on fraudulent activities using US taxpayer funding.  You've voiced lots of personal doubts about their legitimacy, but so far haven't provided us with one single reference that proves anything to the contrary.

Why is this?  Do you not have any evidence that could stand up to assessment and debate here?

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Huge amounts! Will they be looked at and accepted by you and your friends? Nope! Not a chance.

I'd be pleased to see (at least some of) that evidence, and I can assure you that I won't dismiss it out of hand.  And I'll be more than happy to give you my considered and detailed opinion about its likelihood and/or veracity, and without resorting to put-downs or ridicule.  I don't work that way.

The ball is now in your court my friend.

Don't worry, Geoff, I'll still be putting it all in. Not for your benefit as such...but for the benefit of those who view with an open mind or those who suspect it was all a big money making con job.

You don't have to post your evidence solely for my benefit sceptimatic.  I'm sure the other folks here will be just as interested in seeing and assessing its value.

Nevertheless, I'll still be interested in seeing it myself, as you've made this claim about posting your purported "evidence" dozens of times on this forum.  So I'll believe it when—or if—I ever see it.
 
—If you're gonna talk the talk, you need to walk the walk.

Yes, yes, ok Geoff, we aren't in Saturday night fever or road house, so let's just get on with it. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:17:35 AM

Ok, let's move on a little.

I'd like you all to watch this little video clip. It's self explanatory, so watch it, have a good laugh and we will go on from there, because I have many questions about it all, after I've stopped laughing, that is.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2009/jul/08/apollo-11-eagle-columbia-docking

Sigh..

Excellent response! I'll take it from that sigh that your participation in this topic (with me) is over with, right?

yes, for now.  I'll heed Mark Twain's very wise advice:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I'd like you all to watch this little video clip. It's self explanatory, so watch it, have a good laugh and we will go on from there, because I have many questions about it all, after I've stopped laughing, that is.

Okay.  I've watched the video, but I can't see anything particularly funny about it.  Am I missing something maybe?

When I first saw these sorts of videos way back when, I wasn't struck with an urge to laugh, but more with a sense of awe at these sorts of technological advances that  science had made, and within my lifetime.

—And I'll be more than happy to try and answer any of your questions to the best of my ability.
 
Fire away!
 

yes, for now.  I'll heed Mark Twain's very wise advice:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Great stuff! From this point on, you will be afforded non-compliance from me. Feel free to whine and sigh throughout this topic. You do not need to reply to this.

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 25, 2014, 05:29:39 AM

yes, for now.  I'll heed Mark Twain's very wise advice:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Great stuff! From this point on, you will be afforded non-compliance from me. Feel free to whine and sigh throughout this topic. You do not need to reply to this.

here's a tissue to wipe those tears.. there there.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:17:35 AM

I'd like you all to watch this little video clip. It's self explanatory, so watch it, have a good laugh and we will go on from there, because I have many questions about it all, after I've stopped laughing, that is.

Okay.  I've watched the video, but I can't see anything particularly funny about it.  Am I missing something maybe?

When I first saw these sorts of videos way back when, I wasn't struck with an urge to laugh, but more with a sense of awe at these sorts of technological advances that  science had made, and within my lifetime.

—And I'll be more than happy to try and answer any of your questions to the best of my ability.
 
Fire away!

I actually agree with you. I mean, in those days, TV was at a premium and everything was latched onto with gusto by the people, then.
The beauty about those days, for the propaganda brigade, was knowing there were no recording devices, so no play back. Everything was took as gospel, on face value.

Ok back to the video. It's simply a questioning one, so answer as best you can, whilst I pick at the answers, as you know I will.

Firstly! Who took the nice clear video of the lander?

I can't get the guardian video to load. Is this the same video? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

I can't get the guardian video to load. Is this the same video? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Basically, yes.

Firstly! Who took the nice clear video of the lander?

The remotely controlled camera mounted on the Columbia.

Next please.
 

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 05:42:21 AM

I can't get the guardian video to load. Is this the same video? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Basically, yes.

What's the problem with it?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:41:52 AM

Firstly! Who took the nice clear video of the lander?

The remotely controlled camera mounted on the Columbia.

Next please.

Not so fast, Geoff. A step at a time.
 The crew were supposedly inside this Columbia? That is the command module where the video is taken from, right?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:43:33 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 05:42:21 AM

I can't get the guardian video to load. Is this the same video? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Basically, yes.

What's the problem with it?

I have questions.

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 25, 2014, 05:51:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:41:52 AM

Firstly! Who took the nice clear video of the lander?

The remotely controlled camera mounted on the Columbia.

Next please.

Not so fast, Geoff. A step at a time.
 The crew were supposedly inside this Columbia? That is the command module where the video is taken from, right?

Michael Collins remained on the command module.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:57:42 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on February 25, 2014, 05:51:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 05:41:52 AM

Firstly! Who took the nice clear video of the lander?

The remotely controlled camera mounted on the Columbia.

Next please.

Not so fast, Geoff. A step at a time.
 The crew were supposedly inside this Columbia? That is the command module where the video is taken from, right?

Michael Collins remained on the command module.

The saying goes that the lunar lander and the command module were back to back inside the rocket at lift off, which means that ALL astronauts have to be in the command module.

As we see in the video. The lander is tucked into it's rocket compartment that's been jettisoned and the command module is ready to dock with it, as seen in that video. Let's call this the first docking.
Are you with me?
I have loads of questions.

I'd like as many people as possible to study this video just so you know what I'm talking about when I put the questions forward. Familiarise yourself with the video.

The saying goes that the lunar lander
and the command module were back
to back inside the rocket at lift off,
which means that ALL astronauts have
to be in the command module. As we see in the video. The lander is
tucked into it's rocket compartment
that's been jettisoned and the
command module is ready to dock
with it, as seen in that video. Let's call
this the first docking. Are you with me?

Afraid not.   

Quote from: sceptimatic

The saying goes that the lunar lander
and the command module were back
to back inside the rocket at lift off,
which means that ALL astronauts have
to be in the command module. As we see in the video. The lander is
tucked into it's rocket compartment
that's been jettisoned and the
command module is ready to dock
with it, as seen in that video. Let's call
this the first docking. Are you with me?

Afraid not.   

Can you tell me where I've gone wrong then? Just so we can clarify it and we don't get our wires crossed.
How do you think the set up was?

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, I'm trying to understand what you think the video shows. Is this video definately the same as the one you are referring to? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, I'm trying to understand what you think the video shows. Is this video definately the same as the one you are referring to? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Ok, here's how I envision it all. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. It's important to get all of this in, so we can judge the legitimacy of this charade.

The rocket takes off and soon it releases it's first stage, then the second stage. After that, it releases the Lunar lander, then the command module, whilst also having to release the escape rocket perched on the top of the command module cone that we see as a point on top of the rocket.

Once this is all done, the command module chases after the lunar lander that is housed inside the rocket casing and docks with it, then off to the moon they go.
If I'm missing something, feel free to add, anyone, because it's important to all agree on this so we can move forward.

lunar lander
and the command module were back
to back inside the rocket at lift off,
which means that ALL astronauts have
to be in the command module. As we
see in the video.

The lander is tucked into it's rocket compartment
that's been jettisoned and the
command module is ready to dock
with it

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lunar lander
and the command module were back
to back inside the rocket at lift off,
which means that ALL astronauts have
to be in the command module. As we
see in the video.

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The lander is tucked into it's rocket compartment
that's been jettisoned and the
command module is ready to dock
with it

If you're confused then how do you think it's set up, or didn't you know this is basically how it works?
Can you explain what you're confused about?

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 06:31:09 AM

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, I'm trying to understand what you think the video shows. Is this video definately the same as the one you are referring to? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Ok, here's how I envision it all. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. It's important to get all of this in, so we can judge the legitimacy of this charade.

The rocket takes off and soon it releases it's first stage, then the second stage. After that, it releases the Lunar lander, then the command module, whilst also having to release the escape rocket perched on the top of the command module cone that we see as a point on top of the rocket.

Once this is all done, the command module chases after the lunar lander that is housed inside the rocket casing and docks with it, then off to the moon they go.
If I'm missing something, feel free to add, anyone, because it's important to all agree on this so we can move forward.

erm...where to begin..just to clarify, you do realise that the lunar module is docking with the command module on its way back from the moon?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 06:50:19 AM

Quote from: glokta on February 25, 2014, 06:31:09 AM

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, I'm trying to understand what you think the video shows. Is this video definately the same as the one you are referring to? #" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transposition & docking of the Apollo 11 spacecraft

Ok, here's how I envision it all. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. It's important to get all of this in, so we can judge the legitimacy of this charade.

The rocket takes off and soon it releases it's first stage, then the second stage. After that, it releases the Lunar lander, then the command module, whilst also having to release the escape rocket perched on the top of the command module cone that we see as a point on top of the rocket.

Once this is all done, the command module chases after the lunar lander that is housed inside the rocket casing and docks with it, then off to the moon they go.
If I'm missing something, feel free to add, anyone, because it's important to all agree on this so we can move forward.

erm...where to begin..just to clarify, you do realise that the lunar module is docking with the command module on its way back from the moon?

No! This is after launch, not after the supposed moon landing. You see, it docks TWICE. Once to go and once to get back, as we are led to believe.

Do you understand now. The clue is in the video of the lander folded up inside the rocket tube.

Just to clarify. This is the supposed set up of the Saturn V rocket to the moon.

Sorry I was wrong I was flying off on the wrong tangent I thought we were discussing the return to the command module after the lunar visit. Remind me not to come on here after no sleep. So sorry - carry on.