At sceptimatic's request...

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:02:02 PM

Wow.  It is amazing!  This "car" that I heard of must not be real!!!
I mean first you turn a small key and the engine magically starts!! I mean how does something so small get something so large going?  Must be magic!!!
Then there is this magic pedal inside can tell the wheels to start turning!!!!
But that isn't the most amazing thing! There is a lever that tells the wheels which way to turn!! Forwards AND backwards!!!!!!
It gets even better!  There is a "steering" wheel that spontaneously turns the front wheels to, get this, change directions left or right.
I mean it is so fantastic that there is no way that it can be real!!!!

That is pretty much how your argument against space travel is.

Also, tell me, honestly, who is more indoctrinated/brainwashed?
The guy willing to look at evidence contrary to his beliefs and give a well written and thought out explination why the evidence doesn't support the claim
or
The guy who adamantly states there is no way to get him to change his mind on the subject no matter what evidence is presented.

If you recall. I did say that you would become frustrated and go into a frenzy. This is normal for shills, so don't think you are off the grid. 

Predicting we would get frustrated wasn't very hard for you given that your quality of argument, your level of understanding of engineering (even the simple stuff), and your understanding of physics is so fucking backward that my 3 year old ginger cat would outdo you..

You may as well have been dipping our flacid penises in hot coal and celebrating the fact that you predicted we'd scream in pain. 

Its very obvious to me that you have limited cognitive abilities.. you can't see how A might affect b in engineering terms.. and all the while you maniacally laugh at things you have zero understanding of, yet at the same time holding an unwavering belief that you are the superior one.. wait.. there's a name for that...

I have news for you.. it is you who fails to understand the things you are trying to pull to pieces.. yes it is frustrating arguing with a fool, it's always difficult to discuss anything if your opponent demonstrates such an astonishingly limited mental functionality.

You're a prime candidate for the Dunning Kruger Effect which is so often and so rightly cited in this forum..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Quote from: BJ1234 on February 25, 2014, 03:02:02 PM

Wow.  It is amazing!  This "car" that I heard of must not be real!!!
I mean first you turn a small key and the engine magically starts!! I mean how does something so small get something so large going?  Must be magic!!!
Then there is this magic pedal inside can tell the wheels to start turning!!!!
But that isn't the most amazing thing! There is a lever that tells the wheels which way to turn!! Forwards AND backwards!!!!!!
It gets even better!  There is a "steering" wheel that spontaneously turns the front wheels to, get this, change directions left or right.
I mean it is so fantastic that there is no way that it can be real!!!!

That is pretty much how your argument against space travel is.

Also, tell me, honestly, who is more indoctrinated/brainwashed?
The guy willing to look at evidence contrary to his beliefs and give a well written and thought out explination why the evidence doesn't support the claim
or
The guy who adamantly states there is no way to get him to change his mind on the subject no matter what evidence is presented.

If you recall. I did say that you would become frustrated and go into a frenzy. This is normal for shills, so don't think you are off the grid. 

How is this a frenzy?
You asked us to look at evidence critically.  We did.  You didn't like our explinations.  The only counter you came up with is that we are brainwashed. You did nothing to offer a rebuttal.  Your explination of a complicated series of events is "it magically" happened. I showed you how ludicrous that sort of argument is by applying it to another complicated series of event.  One that you most likely use every day.  I then asked a simple question.  Which you ignored.

Did you know that in 1971, Apollo 14's computer malfunctioned. It was going to abort the mission when they were in space. 'The computer onboard would have automatically done it', they said.

Luckily, in 1971, there was a computer programmer that tapped a few digits into his state of the art computer on Earth and sent up a new program for the Apollo 14 computer and re-programmed it not to abort.
These N.A.S.A geniuses just amaze me. It's a good job we have these clever people, because this was before internet or anything resembling even a Sinclair spectrum, lol.

So the first computer was a Sinclair Spectrum?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 25, 2014, 12:22:09 PM

Did you know that in 1971, Apollo 14's computer malfunctioned. It was going to abort the mission when they were in space. 'The computer onboard would have automatically done it', they said.

Luckily, in 1971, there was a computer programmer that tapped a few digits into his state of the art computer on Earth and sent up a new program for the Apollo 14 computer and re-programmed it not to abort.
These N.A.S.A geniuses just amaze me. It's a good job we have these clever people, because this was before internet or anything resembling even a Sinclair spectrum, lol.

So the first computer was a Sinclair Spectrum?

I had one of those when I was a kid!

Let's deal with this picture. Can any rational person see anything wrong with this picture? I have a strange feeling that the round earth crew will see nothing wrong at all and it's all to be expected, as per usual. 

At a glance, something does look amiss, however, after taking a critical look and not going into immediate debunk/conspiracy mode, it looks (to me anyway) like it was parked on very uneven ground beyond the suspension's travel capability. 

What is keeping the front left wheel on the ground?

The fact that it's on the high part of the uneven ground.

So do you at least understand the 'dust versus astronaut falling speed' issue, or is that still confusing too?

The moon hoax conspiracy was big giggle several years ago, now it is sooo booooring. Sceptimatic is not sexy in this thread.

The moon hoax conspiracy was big giggle several years ago, now it is sooo booooring. Sceptimatic is not sexy in this thread.

Nah, it's not a big giggle, it's a big gigantic hoax and that hoax does not just go away. You see, the longer it goes on, the more people see it for what it is and the more digging gets done. It's the reason why it crops up all the time. It's boring to the likes of you because just like pop star posters on your wall, you idolise the amazement of the Disney/Hollywood products disguised as space exploits.

Each to their own, though.

*yawn*

*yawn*

Please do not post low content posts in the upper fora.  Thanks. 

Anyway; moving on:

In this picture there looks to be a few problems. Bear in mind the weight of this capsule as we are told, was just over 6 (US) tons.
Take a look at the parachute cord, although I'm sure it would have been made with some super strong material like unobtanium, (chuckle).

Moving on:
Also, take a look at the top of this command module...This is where the astronauts climbed in from the docked LM. Can anyone get their heads around how they managed this?
The top looks closed,so how was any parachutes deployed?

How could the men get into that little hole and past the 3 gigantic parachutes?
Seriously people, does this appear normal to any of you?
And people wonder why this stuff is being questioned. 

Your images aren't showing.

Can anyone see anything wrong with this picture? Have a good look and tell me what the problem is.

Can anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

it doesn't exist?

"Looks like the image is no longer here."

Maybe the conspiracy ate your pictures.

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

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Can anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

it doesn't exist?

"Looks like the image is no longer here."

Maybe the conspiracy ate your pictures.

It looks fine to me, nipper.

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Why don't you cut to the chase, rather than all this blethering around.  What do you think is wrong with it?

It looks fine to me, nipper.

Seriously, all but the last one hasn't shown, nipper.

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Do your own research. It took me 30 seconds to find it.
Apollo 12 landed close the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surveyor_3_on_the_Moon.jpg

In this picture there looks to be a few problems. Bear in mind the weight of this capsule as we are told, was just over 6 (US) tons.
Take a look at the parachute cord, although I'm sure it would have been made with some super strong material like unobtanium, (chuckle).

On a blowy day, say with wind over 30 knots, the Kevlar, Mylar and carbon headsails on the yacht I race on put about 10 - 15 tonns of pressure on the headsail sheets (ropes) that control the position of the sail.. the sheets are the 'ropes' that the crew pull on (using winches) and release to trim the sails basically..

Our mainsail, the big one, puts a shit load more pressure through the rig.. given the mast is 70feet long.. I don't actually know exactly what the pressure is on the ropes, but the mast 'stays', which are the wires that run from the deck to 3/4 up the mast,  I'm told have as much as 30 tons of pressure going through them on a rough day!

Anyway, our lines (ropes) are about the same thickness.. so no, those ropes would have no problem at all holding that weight..  especially given there are a few of them spreading the weight.

I don't know what their ropes are made from, but ours are mostly Kevlar..

Moving on:
Also, take a look at the top of this command module...This is where the astronauts climbed in from the docked LM. Can anyone get their heads around how they managed this?
The top looks closed,so how was any parachutes deployed?

How could the men get into that little hole and past the 3 gigantic parachutes?
Seriously people, does this appear normal to any of you?
And people wonder why this stuff is being questioned. 

Not sure what you don't understand here.. the 'chutes were packed around the side of the entry hole.. which you can clearly see in the photo. See drawing below:



What's the problem with the crew hatch?  its plenty big enough for them to move through... especially in zero gravity.



 

Anyway; moving on:

In this picture there looks to be a few problems. Bear in mind the weight of this capsule as we are told, was just over 6 (US) tons.
Take a look at the parachute cord, although I'm sure it would have been made with some super strong material like unobtanium, (chuckle).

Moving on:
Also, take a look at the top of this command module...This is where the astronauts climbed in from the docked LM. Can anyone get their heads around how they managed this?
The top looks closed,so how was any parachutes deployed?

How could the men get into that little hole and past the 3 gigantic parachutes?
Seriously people, does this appear normal to any of you?
And people wonder why this stuff is being questioned. 

Is there any reason why you are saving pictures and then uploading them to image shack instead of directly linking them from their source?

Any ways, using Google's image look up feature, I was able to determine that this was the splash down of Apollo 14.  Here is a picture right before it landed.

As you can see, there many parachute cords on each parachute.  I do not know what the cords are made of in the Apollo space craft.  However, parachute cords used during WWII were made of nylon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_cord
Now the weakest cord there has a breaking strength of 100lbs.  As the module was 6 tons or 12000 lbs.  A minimum of 120 of the weakest cords would have to be used.  That is only 40 cords per parachute.  From the picture I found, it appears there is way more than 40 cords per chute.

Here is a diagram of where the parachutes were loaded.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Apollo-linedrawing.png
As you can see, they are not blocking the top hatch in any way. 
Also, that top hatch is much larger than the men in the rafts.  I don't see an issue with them climbing through it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 04:10:41 AM

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Do your own research. It took me 30 seconds to find it.
Apollo 12 landed close the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surveyor_3_on_the_Moon.jpg

Oh, I have done. I'm well aware of what it is. I was just making sure that we are clear as to what it is.
Does the surveyor have wheels? Try and answer this without asking me to do research. I'm asking you the question and others. If you don't want to answer it and just get all defensive, then don't bother yourself.

Quote from: Starman on February 26, 2014, 04:15:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 04:10:41 AM

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Do your own research. It took me 30 seconds to find it.
Apollo 12 landed close the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surveyor_3_on_the_Moon.jpg

Oh, I have done. I'm well aware of what it is. I was just making sure that we are clear as to what it is.
Does the surveyor have wheels? Try and answer this without asking me to do research. I'm asking you the question and others. If you don't want to answer it and just get all defensive, then don't bother yourself.

They are not wheels. They are landing pads.

Does the surveyor have wheels?

Stop playing silly games and tell us what you think the problem is.

Try and answer this without asking me to do research.

You want us to research your conspiracy theory?

Could you imagine actually being Skepti? 

To be this detached from reality surely must adversely affect his life.

Quote from: Starman on February 26, 2014, 04:15:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 04:10:41 AM

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Do your own research. It took me 30 seconds to find it.
Apollo 12 landed close the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surveyor_3_on_the_Moon.jpg

Oh, I have done. I'm well aware of what it is. I was just making sure that we are clear as to what it is.
Does the surveyor have wheels? Try and answer this without asking me to do research. I'm asking you the question and others. If you don't want to answer it and just get all defensive, then don't bother yourself.

You can take endless picture of anything and conclude endless false conclusion. The goal is to find the truth. Sometimes it is not clear to what you see. Your mind should tell that the less you know about the picture the less you should conclude to what it is. Research is a tool to find the facts to get the truth.

Not sure what you don't understand here.. the 'chutes were packed around the side of the entry hole.. which you can clearly see in the photo. See drawing below:



What's the problem with the crew hatch?  its plenty big enough for them to move through... especially in zero gravity.



 

Well, these side holes where the chutes come out of were certainly closed when in space, as we see, so...how did those panels jettison to allow the chutes to be deployed? More explosives?

Quote from: SirSpankalot on February 26, 2014, 04:16:35 AM

Not sure what you don't understand here.. the 'chutes were packed around the side of the entry hole.. which you can clearly see in the photo. See drawing below:



What's the problem with the crew hatch?  its plenty big enough for them to move through... especially in zero gravity.



 

Well, these side holes where the chutes come out of were certainly closed when in space, as we see, so...how did those panels jettison to allow the chutes to be deployed? More explosives?

I don't know.. but if I would take a guess - shear bolts.  But why is it so important to you?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 03:45:28 AM

Anyway; moving on:

In this picture there looks to be a few problems. Bear in mind the weight of this capsule as we are told, was just over 6 (US) tons.
Take a look at the parachute cord, although I'm sure it would have been made with some super strong material like unobtanium, (chuckle).

Moving on:
Also, take a look at the top of this command module...This is where the astronauts climbed in from the docked LM. Can anyone get their heads around how they managed this?
The top looks closed,so how was any parachutes deployed?

How could the men get into that little hole and past the 3 gigantic parachutes?
Seriously people, does this appear normal to any of you?
And people wonder why this stuff is being questioned. 

Is there any reason why you are saving pictures and then uploading them to image shack instead of directly linking them from their source?

Any ways, using Google's image look up feature, I was able to determine that this was the splash down of Apollo 14.  Here is a picture right before it landed.

As you can see, there many parachute cords on each parachute.  I do not know what the cords are made of in the Apollo space craft.  However, parachute cords used during WWII were made of nylon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_cord
Now the weakest cord there has a breaking strength of 100lbs.  As the module was 6 tons or 12000 lbs.  A minimum of 120 of the weakest cords would have to be used.  That is only 40 cords per parachute.  From the picture I found, it appears there is way more than 40 cords per chute.

Here is a diagram of where the parachutes were loaded.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Apollo-linedrawing.png
As you can see, they are not blocking the top hatch in any way. 
Also, that top hatch is much larger than the men in the rafts.  I don't see an issue with them climbing through it.

Very true, there looks about a million (exagerration) cords for each chute. It's a far cry from the amount of cords we actually see hanging around the CM, don't you think?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 04:24:04 AM

Quote from: Starman on February 26, 2014, 04:15:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 26, 2014, 04:10:41 AM

Can anyone tell me what this contraption is and does it have wheels?
See if anyone can find a problem with this picture and if not, I will explain it all a bit later on.

Do your own research. It took me 30 seconds to find it.
Apollo 12 landed close the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surveyor_3_on_the_Moon.jpg

Oh, I have done. I'm well aware of what it is. I was just making sure that we are clear as to what it is.
Does the surveyor have wheels? Try and answer this without asking me to do research. I'm asking you the question and others. If you don't want to answer it and just get all defensive, then don't bother yourself.

They are not wheels. They are landing pads.

Yes! I'm well aware theya re landing pads, I just wanted to make sure that we are clear on this before I got to my next point.
Can you see anything wrong with the picture, can anyone? If not, I'll explain. A clue: It's not an actual photo discrepancy, as such.

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Does the surveyor have wheels?

Stop playing silly games and tell us what you think the problem is.

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Try and answer this without asking me to do research.

You want us to research your conspiracy theory?

All in good time, nipper, all in good time.

Could you imagine actually being Skepti? 

To be this detached from reality surely must adversely affect his life.

Ok, now you've got that out of the way, join in if you can handle it. If not then PM me and you can do a psychology test on me for as long as you wish.