At sceptimatic's request...

ok here is your thread. Please present us with

• one photograph or video proving a flat earth
• one photograph or video that proves nasa fakery of the space programme

ok here is your thread. Please present us with

• one photograph or video proving a flat earth
• one photograph or video that proves nasa fakery of the space programme

Seems fair enough to me.  Thanks glotka!

Hopefully now sceptimatic will give us some answers.  And before he accuses me of flying into a "frenzy" I'd just like to reassure him that I'll spend some time considering his image evidence, and treat it just as fairly as anybody else's evidence.
 

All credible pictures of the Earth show it to be flat. 

i agree to do the same - just waiting on scepti now.

All credible pictures of the Earth show it to be flat.

It shouldn't really matter if sceptimatic posts some suspect images instead of—or as well as—genuine ones.  It hasn't stopped him claiming every one of the RE's images are bogus.

So... let's see what he posts, and let a few of the REs get a chance to assess them either way. 

Seems fair enough.

Personally, I've yet to see any images of the flat earth posted by FEs.
 

 

Personally, I've yet to see any images of the flat earth posted by FEs.

Really?  I have seen many that look very flat. 

polite request to wait until scepti actually posts some evidence?

polite request to wait until scepti actually posts some evidence?

Fine, but in the future, if you do not want to discus something publicly, please send a PM. 

Quote from: glokta on February 15, 2014, 10:28:23 AM

polite request to wait until scepti actually posts some evidence?

Fine, but in the future, if you do not want to discus something publicly, please send a PM.

merely trying not to enter a debate before any evidence has been presented..

All credible pictures of the Earth show it to be flat.

What criteria do you use to judge it's credibility?

Quote from: jroa on February 15, 2014, 10:18:47 AM

All credible pictures of the Earth show it to be flat.

What criteria do you use to judge it's credibility?

It is not a NASA photo, nor does it come from one of their cronies.   

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 15, 2014, 11:03:41 AM

Quote from: jroa on February 15, 2014, 10:18:47 AM

All credible pictures of the Earth show it to be flat.

What criteria do you use to judge it's credibility?

It is not a NASA photo, nor does it come from one of their cronies.

NASA is held as a credible organisation by the world's scientific community.  Why do you not think it's credible?

Presumably photos from the ISS are fine, as this is jointly run by 5 different space agencies.

Also, who are their "cronies"? 

NASA openly admits that they doctor photos.  Also, do you think it would be unreasonable to assume that they try to trick people if it would suit their needs? 

NASA openly admits that they doctor photos.

So when they alter a photo they tell everyone about it.  Sounds very honest to me, what is your problem?  NASA has certainly never admitted to faking photos of the earth.

  Also, do you think it would be unreasonable to assume that they try to trick people if it would suit their needs?

I could say that about you, the FES or any other organisation in the world - it's meaningless.  You are just attempting to smear them without any substance to your argument.

I do feel sorry for you, living in this bizarre paranoid world where all these major organisations (public and private) are conspiring against you for reasons that will never become clear.

Instead of vague innuendo, why don't come with some evidence?  How about the testimony of photographic and video experts telling us how all the photos of earth are faked?

This thread was started at sceptimatics own request to give him to chance to offer up some specific evidence in support of his claims and then debate the items in question if need be. Can we wait and do that?

So when they alter a photo they tell everyone about it.  Sounds very honest to me, what is your problem?  NASA has certainly never admitted to faking photos of the earth.

Every time they get caught, they say something like, "Oh, well yeah, that photo is doctored in order to make it better for you to view."  They often use amateurs to doctor photos and often get caught, yet people just blindly believe everything they say. 

This thread was started at sceptimatics own request to give him to chance to offer up some specific evidence in support of his claims and then debate the items in question if need be. Can we wait and do that?

Fine, tell the RE'ers to wait as well, please. 

Fair enough, I'll wait for the great man himself to appear.

Anyway, I feel for poor old Jroa, as he seems to have been left on his own to defend the FES from us rabble.  He seems to be debating in multiple threads with little support from the high command   

We'll take our sparring elsewhere.

One video proving flat earth.
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One picture proving N.A.S.A are fakers.



Ok, have a mull over those and see what you make of them.

It was a request to everybody. Not everyone is out to get you. 

One video proving flat earth.
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One picture proving N.A.S.A are fakers.



Ok, have a mull over those and see what you make of them.

great thanks - will look through them

Errm, the first video seems to be good evidence of a round earth.  The only way to recover the hull of the ship was to increase elevation - this is exactly what round earth would predict.  I think you are a bit confused.

All that Apollo crap has been debunked endlessly on threads all over the internet, I can't be bothered debating it.

You were meant to provide evidence of a flat earth, even if the Apollo landings were faked, it is not evidence of a flat earth.

Errm, the first video seems to be good evidence of a round earth.  The only way to recover the hull of the ship was to increase elevation - this is exactly what round earth would predict.  I think you are a bit confused.

All that Apollo crap has been debunked endlessly on threads all over the internet, I can't be bothered debating it.

You were meant to provide evidence of a flat earth, even if the Apollo landings were faked, it is not evidence of a flat earth.

Exactly what I expected. 5 seconds to look at them and 1 minute to reply in exactly the manner I was expecting, without even giving it a thought.
You asked for evidence, I gave it. You chose to discard it and want better evidence.
What do you want?
What possible evidence do you want that can be physically got to prove it to you?
I'll answer that for you. The answer is, there is no evidence available or ever will be, that will make you detract from the brainwashing you have been subjected to. Nothing!

I done my part, so I'm happy enough with it.

I watched all of the video.  Why don't you take me through why you think it shows the earth is flat?

I watched all of the video.  Why don't you take me through why you think it shows the earth is flat?

Didn't you like the explanation given in the video? If not, explain why not.

Also, can you explain the mysterious tyre tracks from a packed moon buggy?

One video proving flat earth.
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One picture proving N.A.S.A are fakers.



Ok, have a mull over those and see what you make of them.

ok i dont really see what the video is
supposed to be proving , maybe
because it is playing back in such low
res on my phone but i cant see what it
is trying to show. Anyway onto the
apollo photo - what you are seeing is not the packaged lunar rover. That
photo was taken on the third eva and
the lunar rover was deployed on the
first eva so of course there are tracks.
Here is the photo taken immediately
before the one in question http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-140-21369

What do you mean by the first eva and the third?
Are you saying that they unpacked it on the first eva and then repacked it again?
Explain what you are sayin.

Didn't you like the explanation given in the video?

Round earth predicts that objects a sufficient distance away will have their bottom portion obscured by the curvature of the earth.  However if you gain elevation then the bottom portion will no longer be obscured.  This is what happens in your video, is it not?

Also, can you explain the mysterious tyre tracks from a packed moon buggy?

Don't care.  I'm here to debate flat earth.  There are lots of conspiracy forums for debating the Apollo landings.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 15, 2014, 12:04:14 PM

Didn't you like the explanation given in the video?

Round earth predicts that objects a sufficient distance away will have their bottom portion obscured by the curvature of the earth.  However if you gain elevation then the bottom portion will no longer be obscured.  This is what happens in your video, is it not?

Quote

Also, can you explain the mysterious tyre tracks from a packed moon buggy?

Don't care.  I'm here to debate flat earth.  There are lots of conspiracy forums for debating the Apollo landings.

Take a look at the OP, it might give you a clue. Straight into denial mode without figuring out why. Typical. 

Don't care.  I'm here to debate flat earth.  There are lots of conspiracy forums for debating the Apollo landings.

So, to sum it up, RE'ers run around demanding evidence, and when it is presented, they say that they don't care about that evidence.  Gotcha. 

What do you mean by the first eva and the third?
Are you saying that they unpacked it on the first eva and then repacked it again?
Explain what you are sayin.

like i said, the lunar rover was already deployed on the first eva hence the tyre tracks. What the photo claims is the packaged lunar rover is actually the MESA. Look up Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly. You can see on these diagrams how it matches up with your photo, and how your photo points to the wrong location for the lunar rover. http://weebau.com/flightpics/apollo/lm_diagram.gif now compare this with your photo, you can use the ladder and tracking light to see your picture clearly doesnt show where the lunar rover is actually deployed from. And here is a picture of the MESA. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-31585.jpg