Circumnavigation

Quote from: ausGeoff on March 14, 2014, 09:41:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:52:07 AM

Because all scales would have to be calibrated to whatever environment the gold is in and taking into account that both bars are identical, they will always weigh the same in the same environment, obviously. The only time that will change is by putting them in a different environment to each other using uncalibrated scales, which would give the ILLUSION of one weighing heavier or lighter than the other.

Please tell me I'm not reading this!  LOL.

sceptimatic STILL hasn't grasped the difference between weight and mass.  Will he ever?

Or does his "denpressure" magically account for all these "illusions" one allegedly sees in the physical world?

Tell me what weight is. Enlighten me.

Look it up.

There's a difference between not trusting certain things and people and being paranoid about everything. I happily accept many things without even giving a thought to questioning or not trusting.

And this is exactly the reason you trust without question what the other members of the flat earth society are telling you.  That the earth is flat.  That gravity is a myth.  That space travel doesn't exist.  That the sun rotates about the earth.  That the Apollo missions were filmed in an abandoned aircraft hangar in Area 51.  That the moon is a flat disc.  That one can't fly an aircraft over the south pole.  Etc.....

You say you accept "many things" without even giving them a thought.  Is the stuff I've listed a part of those things maybe?

You can't see the entire shape of the earth yourself (neither can I) so you choose to believe the flat earther and not the round earther.  In that case, couldn't you just as well accept the claims of the round earther?

Why do you believe the round earther is misrepresenting things to such a major degree—or even lying deliberately for some devious reason?  How can you be certain that the flat earther is not telling you even bigger lies—again for some devious reason?

And finally, why do you choose not to believe the scientific theories accepted absolutely by 7,000,000,000 other people across our planet?  What makes you think only a couple hundred flat earthers are totally and undeniably correct?
 
How do you regard Occam's Razor in this scenario?
 

And this is exactly the reason you trust without question what the other members of the flat earth society are telling you. 

If you ask them, they will tell you quite the opposite.

That the earth is flat. 

I believe it to be slightly concave...but yeah, essentially flat and I do have this society to thank for making me question what I was indoctrinated into, as it gave me the push to think through it all and come to my conclusion that the solid globe model is nonsense.

That gravity is a myth. 

I didn't need any help on this, I worked that out for myself.

That space travel doesn't exist. 

I also had this done and dusted a long time ago.

That the sun rotates about the earth. 

It depends on how you think I interpret it, because I don;t view the sun as an object in the sky, I view it as a reflection from Earth's centre that makes it move about the sky.

That the Apollo missions were filmed in an abandoned aircraft hangar in Area 51.

I've never mentioned any aircraft hangar but they were filmed in a studio and desert, so if an air craft hangar fits the bill, they maybe that's where it was. Either way it was faked.

That the moon is a flat disc.

I don't subscribe to that. The moon is a reflection of the sun on the other side of the dome.
 

That one can't fly an aircraft over the south pole.  Etc.....

Because I don't believe there is a south pole, so nothing is going to fly over it if it doesn't exist.

You say you accept "many things" without even giving them a thought.  Is the stuff I've listed a part of those things maybe?

If you only knew how much thought I have given it all, you wouldn't just assume these things.

You can't see the entire shape of the earth yourself (neither can I) so you choose to believe the flat earther and not the round earther.  In that case, couldn't you just as well accept the claims of the round earther?

I was once a round earther. If I wasn't sure , I would still be one...but I am sure in my own mind that this Earth is not a Globe that we walk around.

Why do you believe the round earther is misrepresenting things to such a major degree—or even lying deliberately for some devious reason?

I simply believe most round earthers are weak minded and refuse to even contemplate the more simpler way of looking at the Earth. I was once weak minded and easily brainwashed. I managed to get time to question it all. Most round earthers are not lying, they are just misguided, with many, refusing to dare to look for alternatives. Some are simply shills that come on to do their best to ensure that people don't start to think for themselves.
 

How can you be certain that the flat earther is not telling you even bigger lies—again for some devious reason?

All the flat earthers could tell me tomorrow that it was all a big silly joke and I would be the only flat earther left, because I firmly believe it is close to flat, what we walk upon. The thing is, most of the flat earthers are serious about it, so I know that won't happen.

And finally, why do you choose not to believe the scientific theories accepted absolutely by 7,000,000,000 other people across our planet? 

One person can make an audience start to clap, even if the event does not merit it. It's called follow the leader. Most people believe in a god, even though nobody sees a god. Anyone can be a pied piper if they are clever enough to carry it off. People can be made to mimic and a domino effect ensues.

What makes you think only a couple hundred flat earthers are totally and undeniably correct?

I don't! I don't follow some of the theories! I do know that essentially they are on the right lines, in my mind.

How do you regard Occam's Razor in this scenario?

Quite easy!  Keep things as simple as possible.
When something is over complicated and there's a simpler way, then that way is the most trusted until proven otherwise by PHYSICAL evidence.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 14, 2014, 09:33:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 09:20:48 AM

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The map was rubbish because it did not represent actual proven distances.

Agreed! Now can you help in shuffling it about a bit to aid in making the distances fit better. Or, if you can pick up different places and tell me what doesn't match up in terms of distance in relation to that map scale, I will try and rectify it myself. Are you up for it?

Surely you don't need help doing this, basic stuff.

Other than you find that the distances will only fit on a spherical earth.

Yes I can do it and in time I will. It would speed it up if more heads were on it...but fair enough, you don't want to help. That's fine.

I will identify 5 places and the distances between each and all the others. Will you be OK to put these on an exact scale flat map?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 14, 2014, 09:33:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 09:20:48 AM

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The map was rubbish because it did not represent actual proven distances.

Agreed! Now can you help in shuffling it about a bit to aid in making the distances fit better. Or, if you can pick up different places and tell me what doesn't match up in terms of distance in relation to that map scale, I will try and rectify it myself. Are you up for it?

Surely you don't need help doing this, basic stuff.

Other than you find that the distances will only fit on a spherical earth.

Yes I can do it and in time I will. It would speed it up if more heads were on it...but fair enough, you don't want to help. That's fine.

I will identify 5 places and the distances between each and all the others. Will you be OK to put these on an exact scale flat map?

Yep!
I'm about to do another map as well, in the coming weeks with a lot of detail on it that is easily discerned.

The reason the Flat Earth people will never be satisfied here, is because they just keep saying prove it, even when people are giving them the reasons we know the world is round, and the only proof they will accept is something you can't give over the internet typing words. You would have to take them in a rocket in space and then point to the Earth and say, "See how it is a sphere?". It seems like that is what they are waiting for us to do. Obviously we are not going to take you into space and show you.

If you spent as much time googling answers to your questions of the Earth that do not make sense to you as you do figuring out how the Earth is flat, you would understand basic Earth sciences and could get your answers yourself. But something in  you refuses to do that. You only want to keep up this Flat Earth charade even though there are no substantial reasons to believe the Earth is flat.

Since you will only trust what your eyes see, Go on top of a small mountain or hill on the West coast and watch the sunset. You will see the sun slowly go down, down, down until it goes completely out of sight because the Earth is round! Northern Hemisphere is Winter while Southern is Summer. Light on one side of the planet is dark on the other. This is impossible in a flat Earth.

You think the Earth is stable but go look up Griffith Park Observatory in LA where they have a pendulum in front demonstrating how the world turns.

You have questions that don't make sense of very basic things. You can find answers to most of those questions and then  you will understand.

  It depends on how you think I interpret it, because I don;t view the sun as an object in the sky, I view it as a reflection from Earth's centre that makes it move about the sky.

Can you replace all the pronouns with proper nouns here so that I can follow it; more precisely, what does the fourth pronoun "it" (bolded) refer to in this case?

Yep!
I'm about to do another map as well, in the coming weeks with a lot of detail on it that is easily discerned.

I'm guessing that this fabulous "map" of sceptimatic's will appear on this forum around the same time as the research results of his expensive and astounding experiment that proved unequivocally that the planet was actually flat.  You know, the one a couple of weeks ago that was using some sort of undefined, expensive laser instrument to obtain ultra-accurate measurements across a 2,000 metre stretch of ice, aided by one of his friends who's some sort of scientific guru.

We're still to hear any confirmation from even one single member here who actually received an alleged PM from sceptimatic detailing his top-secret experiment.  Not even one, single, solitary "yes" or "no".  Why is this?

Did no member receive such an email?  Was that claim made by sceptimatic simply yet another part of his elaborate little hoax?  And why have we yet to see any evidence of this purported, earth-shattering (literally) news on the mainstream media yet?  Maybe he'll claim it's a government/corporate cover up?

The other thing that confuses me somewhat sceptimatic is that, despite you having the scientific nous to be able to carry out a complicated bit of scientific research, the very best flat earth map you've posted thus far is nothing more than something an 8-year-old kid would scribble at school?  Surely you could've produced a more accurate and elaborate map by now—after all, you've accepted the flat earth model for (presumably) some years now.  Why the delay in producing at least a basic map?

And when (but more importantly if) you do post your map, please rest assured I'll treat it with due respect.  And I'll give you my honest opinion of it—despite the fact that I totally accept the round earth model.  One of the tenets of people with scientifically-orientated minds is that we give all hypotheses due consideration, regardless of their source.