Circumnavigation

Do you believe in Oxygen? Do you believe in bacteria and viruses? Do you see them? Do you know trees take in CO2?

Do you see them doing it? The Earth is fuckin huge! Try and comprehend how big it is.

You can't live your life only trusting what is in front of you. That is the mental disorder. Please get help.

There is also no reason to create such an elaborate hoax. It has no purpose. If the world was Flat, then everyone would just think it was flat and that wold be normal. Round or flat, the powers in charge would remain the same. There is no point of all NASA and JPL photos of Earth being fake, and all science and theories of gravity being fake. It serves no purpose.

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

Quote from: Jer9999 on March 14, 2014, 06:27:16 AM

Do you believe in Oxygen? Do you believe in bacteria and viruses? Do you see them? Do you know trees take in CO2? Do you see them doing it? The Earth is fuckin huge! Try and comprehend how big it is.

You can't live your life only trusting what is in front of you. That is the mental disorder. Please get help.

There is also no reason to create such an elaborate hoax. It has no purpose. If the world was Flat, then everyone would just think it was flat and that wold be normal. Round or flat, the powers in charge would remain the same. There is no point of all NASA and JPL photos of Earth being fake, and all science and theories of gravity being fake. It serves no purpose.

Very well said. It the world were flat this site would say "The round Earth Society" An all the pople in the world would think round earth belivers were nuts.

Quote from: sceptimatic

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

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Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 06:07:56 AM

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Quote from: Jer9999 on March 14, 2014, 05:33:50 AM

I didn't understand more than half of your reasons and had no idea what you were talking about.

I really am so flustered by this nonsense I don't have patience right now to actually try and prove why the world is Round. I spent hours trying to do it and everything I said you guys either couldn't comprehend or dismissed it as some secret cover up.

If you live in a reality where only what you see is truth, there is no point debating with you.
Look, take my advice and talk to a therapist about this and get the help you need.

That's ok if you want to bottle out of giving your reasons for not wanting to answer why YOU and YOUR own MIND thinks the world is a rotating globe. Basically you were indoctrinated like we all were. It's all about whether you want to carry on in life just going with the flow or questioning what you were TOLD or ELSE to learn.

You aren't the first and you won't be the last to bottle it.

It appears you were told the world is flat. When did you decide that was true.

I wasn't told the world was flat. I used to believe it was a spinning ball, then a stationary ball with everything rotating around us. I was never happy with either, so I started digging. I came across many theories, like hollow Earth, flat Earth and many other theories, some of which I didn't get into fully.
I came across this site and read through it and it made me really think. From that point on I've questioned it all and still am, with everything and the only thing that makes sense is a flat Earth. Not pancake flat and not a disc accelerating up...but definitely essentially flat. the thing is, I cannot discard any of the flat Earth theories because I can't physically prove anything to the contrary...but I can discard a globe in space because It reeks of bull crap and made up untestable theories. That's my honest opinion.
So as you can see, I was brainwashed like everyone it's just that I have a mind to question stuff against the grain. Something that many are afraid or not prepared to do, because their reliance on being spoon fed information is always took as gospel, as long as it's accepted by the majority.

I see how you got the way you are. You say you can't prove your theories than why believe in them. You should be able to day I am confused or don't believe in anything but you chose to believe anything that has to do what everybody else believes in. Does that make sense to you?

you sure went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM

you sure went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

It was no trouble to get a point across.

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I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

Quote from: glokta on March 14, 2014, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

This is also the crux of your problem as you rank your intelligence above that of everybody else on earth. You can't understand it therefore no one can. Dunning-Kreuger in full effect.

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Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM

you sure went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

It was no trouble to get a point across.

I am still curious about your gold bar in the water. We both agree that the gold bar will weight less in water even with water pressure on it.

Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 08:18:43 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:16:32 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM

you sure went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

It was no trouble to get a point across.

I am still curious about your gold bar in the water. We both agree that the gold bar will weight less in water even with water pressure on it.

It doesn't weigh less. It weighs the same. The only time it can be perceived to weight more or less, is by picking it up in different environments as I mentioned, due to resistance of the environment acting against that. I used a gold bar because it's very dense and can be tested with water and land as in how I described.

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Quote from: sceptimatic

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

I readily admit I don't understand it. If I did, then I wouldn't be debating it. The fact is; you don't understand it either if you are honest. Of course, you understand that your Earth spins and the seasons and all the rest of it. I mean I understand the way they have portrayed it...but that's just the diagram and animation, plus explanation for it.
What actually makes it happen is another kettle of fish...one that you think you understand but actually have no clue as to what all the stuff actually is to make the system work.
Gravity, warped space time and all the rest of it, you know of as words made up to explain it all but you do not know what it is. It simply just is... and that's good enough for you and others. It's not good enough for me.

You say your profession is inventing products. There is probably alot I don't understand about the patenting process for example. My profession as music production and audio engineering. Now there as probably alot you don't understand at present about the difference between additive, subtractive or granular synthesis, subtractive eq, parallel and sidechain compression etc. Now the information is out there for either of us to research the others profession. If I don't understand the patent process I do not consider you to be a lier, I research it myself. And vice versa, if you don't believe me that a bass drum sidechained to a bassline can avoid muddying the lower frequencies - look it up yourself and research it. It doesn't make either thing fake just because you don't understand it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:31:27 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 08:18:43 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:16:32 AM

Quote from: Starman on March 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM

you sure went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

It was no trouble to get a point across.

I am still curious about your gold bar in the water. We both agree that the gold bar will weight less in water even with water pressure on it.

It doesn't weigh less. It weighs the same. The only time it can be perceived to weight more or less, is by picking it up in different environments as I mentioned, due to resistance of the environment acting against that. I used a gold bar because it's very dense and can be tested with water and land as in how I described.

Ok now we are getting somewhere. Lets take it one step at time. Are you sure it will weigh the same? and why?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:21:41 AM

Quote from: glokta on March 14, 2014, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

I readily admit I don't understand it. If I did, then I wouldn't be debating it. The fact is; you don't understand it either if you are honest. Of course, you understand that your Earth spins and the seasons and all the rest of it. I mean I understand the way they have portrayed it...but that's just the diagram and animation, plus explanation for it.
What actually makes it happen is another kettle of fish...one that you think you understand but actually have no clue as to what all the stuff actually is to make the system work.
Gravity, warped space time and all the rest of it, you know of as words made up to explain it all but you do not know what it is. It simply just is... and that's good enough for you and others. It's not good enough for me.

It is good enough until a better theory surpasses it. That is how it works. I understand and appreciate you are trying to work out this better model but anytime a flaw is pointed out to you you refuse to accept it rather than trying to improve your theory. That's how progress is made.

OK, so you believe that Mass and Weight are the same.

Weight is a relationship to an objects mass and its environment.

The Mass of an object does not change no matter what environment you put it in.  Its weight will.

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Quote from: glokta on March 14, 2014, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic

I have looked into it and I don't
understand it because that's how
science has made it...so it's not
understandable, just simply accepted
by those who don't understand
it.

I don't think you understand what you said there. Unless you accept it. But well done for admitting you don't understand it. Making progress.

I readily admit I don't understand it. If I did, then I wouldn't be debating it. The fact is; you don't understand it either if you are honest. Of course, you understand that your Earth spins and the seasons and all the rest of it. I mean I understand the way they have portrayed it...but that's just the diagram and animation, plus explanation for it.
What actually makes it happen is another kettle of fish...one that you think you understand but actually have no clue as to what all the stuff actually is to make the system work.
Gravity, warped space time and all the rest of it, you know of as words made up to explain it all but you do not know what it is. It simply just is... and that's good enough for you and others. It's not good enough for me.

It is good enough until a better theory surpasses it. That is how it works. I understand and appreciate you are trying to work out this better model but anytime a flaw is pointed out to you you refuse to accept it rather than trying to improve your theory. That's how progress is made.

If anyone points a flaw out in my theory (of which there will be many) I will always look to correct it. I don;t discard anyones thoughts on taking apart what I've brought up as long as it genuinely shows up a flaw.
When people are civil and deal with the matter at hand and pick out problems, using what they KNOW is reality, I will look right into it.

What I won't do, is have someone take it apart by telling me it won't work because GRAVITY dosn't work that way. You know; things like that.
I put a map up specifically for people to rip to bits or try and fit the jigsaw. No one has attempted yet because I'm a nutter.  Even the flat earth believers won;t look at it because they are less keen on me than you lot are. 

The point is though, I put stuff up and it's immediately dismissed, which is ok by me..but it doesn't go anywhere, other than turns into a bitch fest, which defeats any purpose and something I try to avoid and will do from now on.

You seem like you are mad about something.  Did I do something to hurt you?  I only repeat facts, and I know that some of them crush your view of the world, but don't kill the messenger.  I was upset, too, when I learned the truth.

The map was rubbish because it did not represent actual proven distances.

Because everything points to it being flat. Nothing points to it being a rotating globe.
Spirit levels tell me it's flat. That simple piece of equipment is enough to tell anyone that you can't have a level on a globe no matter what, unless you build things to account for it being a globe which nobody does, except for bridge builders who pretend they do.
How much curvature would you expect over the length of your spirit level?

Spill water on a flat surface and it stays in a uniform puddle. It does not separate from the middle which you would expect on a globe.
See response above.

Water level experiments have been done on a canal that shows it's flat.
Bedford?, refraction.  Others, including Bedford, have shown it's curved.

Our sense and balance do not detect movement.
Yep.  One revolution per day.

It looks flat.
From the window of you house, sure.  There are places where it looks round.

What I trust is down to me. I don't trust certain people...should I get help? I know con men operate by duping people so I learn to question and not trust, do I need mental health care for it?

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The map was rubbish because it did not represent actual proven distances.

Agreed! Now can you help in shuffling it about a bit to aid in making the distances fit better. Or, if you can pick up different places and tell me what doesn't match up in terms of distance in relation to that map scale, I will try and rectify it myself. Are you up for it?

But who is suffering it?  I mean you are under the assumption that I think my intelligence is better than everyone elses when I've never ever insinuated it is.....

Because all scales would have to be calibrated to whatever environment the gold is in and taking into account that both bars are identical, they will always weigh the same in the same environment, obviously. The only time that will change is by putting them in a different environment to each other using uncalibrated scales, which would give the ILLUSION of one weighing heavier or lighter than the other.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:03:37 AM

What I trust is down to me. I don't trust certain people...should I get help? I know con men operate by duping people so I learn to question and not trust, do I need mental health care for it?

I'm afraid that if you trust only your own instincts, and refuse to trust anybody else, then yes, you DO need psycho-therapeutic intervention.

Intractable distrust is just one of the symptoms of a paranoid personality disorder, and includes a pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent.  [DSM-IV Code: 301.0.]

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The map was rubbish because it did not represent actual proven distances.

Agreed! Now can you help in shuffling it about a bit to aid in making the distances fit better. Or, if you can pick up different places and tell me what doesn't match up in terms of distance in relation to that map scale, I will try and rectify it myself. Are you up for it?

Surely you don't need help doing this, basic stuff.

Other than you find that the distances will only fit on a spherical earth.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:26:47 AM

But who is suffering it?  I mean you are under the assumption that I think my intelligence is better than everyone elses when I've never ever insinuated it is.....

LOL.  Do you not remember claiming to be a "genius" who was carrying out an experiment using lasers and a 2,000 metre expanse of ice to prove unequivocally that the earth was flat?  And have you forgotten that you again called yourself a "genius" when you were talking about all the fabulous inventions that were in use all over the world?

The one quality a successful bullshitter needs sceptimatic is a very good memory and—unfortunately for you—you simply don't have one.  Sorry

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 14, 2014, 08:52:07 AM

Because all scales would have to be calibrated to whatever environment the gold is in and taking into account that both bars are identical, they will always weigh the same in the same environment, obviously. The only time that will change is by putting them in a different environment to each other using uncalibrated scales, which would give the ILLUSION of one weighing heavier or lighter than the other.

Please tell me I'm not reading this!  LOL.

sceptimatic STILL hasn't grasped the difference between weight and mass.  Will he ever?

Or does his "denpressure" magically account for all these "illusions" one allegedly sees in the physical world?