Norse Mythology and flat earth

So they won't tell you the truth that earth is infinite in size, because this means there are no shortages or deficit of anything. If people knew that the earth was infinite, the monitory system would collapse right away.

I'm afraid I'm not clear on this.  Do the FEs claim that the earth is—literally—infinite in size?  Is the obviously finite area we inhabit only a very small part of the infinitely larger whole?  And if so, why could we not access the larger whole?

Quote from: New Earth on December 25, 2013, 12:30:49 PM

So they won't tell you the truth that earth is infinite in size, because this means there are no shortages or deficit of anything. If people knew that the earth was infinite, the monitory system would collapse right away.

I'm afraid I'm not clear on this.  Do the FEs claim that the earth is—literally—infinite in size?  Is the obviously finite area we inhabit only a very small part of the infinitely larger whole?  And if so, why could we not access the larger whole?

Yes many flat earthers including myself believe that earth is infinite plain. Beyond the ice wall. (Antarctica) infinite land exists. To picture this draw a circle on a flat large surface. The circle represents our known earth, everything beyond the circle is uncharted infinite land. There even might be other habitable earth like circles out there. Look at UN logo give and take this is what our portion of the earth looks like. This is not the whole earth, just the part we reside in. We can access the large whole. Admiral Byrd flew past the known south pole and discovered land area of 5,000 miles extending south. Please refer to Admiral Byrd diaries. Admiral Byrd also discovered Hyperborea the area around North pole which is also off limits to the public. Antarctica (ice wall) are off limits to the public as well because it is literally a gateway into infinite earth, infinite wealth.

Can you link me to any formal documentation that supports this claim?

Admiral Byrd also discovered Hyperborea the area around North pole which is also off limits to the public. Antarctica (ice wall) are off limits to the public as well because it is literally a gateway into infinite earth, infinite wealth.

I've never heard of any parts of Antarctica or the Arctic being "off limits" to anybody.  And the alleged existence of Hyperborea is just a legend, long debunked.

Who debunked Hyperborea? I'm very bad with links so I will give you general references you can research on your own. Please google "Mercator map of the north pole" You will see four large islands around the area of North pole. This is a true map of north pole region, this is where Hyperborea is. Its a warm place with Mt Meru at its center. The conventional global map of north pole is false. I'm also very surprised that you didn't know that both Antarctica and as well as the extreme arctic are both areas of no fly zones. No private tours are also allowed there. There are few cruise lines that advertise Antarctica travel but they will only take you to near by islands, they will never let you go to Antarctica itself, I know someone who took such a tour and never saw the Antarctic coast. He even demanded a refund. lol Please google "Admiral Byrd diaries" Of course the conspirators wanna make you believe that Byrd discovered entrance to hollow earth. This is a clever disguise of what Byrd truly discovered. There is no hollow earth, only infinite flat earth.

Who debunked Hyperborea? I'm very bad with links so I will give you general references you can research on your own. Please google "Mercator map of the north pole" You will see four large islands around the area of North pole. This is a true map of north pole region, this is where Hyperborea is. Its a warm place with Mt Meru at its center. The conventional global map of north pole is false. I'm also very surprised that you didn't know that both Antarctica and as well as the extreme arctic are both areas of no fly zones. No private tours are also allowed there. There are few cruise lines that advertise Antarctica travel but they will only take you to near by islands, they will never let you go to Antarctica itself, I know someone who took such a tour and never saw the Antarctic coast. He even demanded a refund. lol Please google "Admiral Byrd diaries" Of course the conspirators wanna make you believe that Byrd discovered entrance to hollow earth. This is a clever disguise of what Byrd truly discovered. There is no hollow earth, only infinite flat earth.

I think the real question is not what is above Antarctica but what's actually underneath. I'm sure Byrd saw some weird stuff but it was a light mirage emminating from a portal underneath as far as I can tell this hole acts as a gateway to the outer side but it's frozen solid. I do have to wonder what's on the outer Perimeter of Our Earth... one things for sure and that's nobody has went there for a long long time but people have seen mirages from the other side of 9 feet tall alien like creatures. However most people these day's think people who claim to have seen them are mentally ill even though groups of 30 have all had the same illusion... it's strange.

I do have to wonder what's on the outer Perimeter of Our Earth... one things for sure and that's nobody has went there for a long long time but people have seen mirages from the other side of 9 feet tall alien like creatures. However most people these day's think people who claim to have seen them are mentally ill even though groups of 30 have all had the same illusion... it's strange.

There is no "outer perimeter" to our planet.  Spheres don't have perimeters.  At any rate, why do you propose that people haven't travelled beyond your alleged perimeter for a long time (if ever)?  Considering the ease of air travel nowadays, why would that be?

I'd also be pleased if you could provide us a link to some sort of documentation talking about "9 feet tall alien creatures".  And where and when did this purported group of 30 people see this illusion/mirage?  I've not come across this story before.

Quote from: Sculelos on December 26, 2013, 08:24:06 PM

I do have to wonder what's on the outer Perimeter of Our Earth... one things for sure and that's nobody has went there for a long long time but people have seen mirages from the other side of 9 feet tall alien like creatures. However most people these day's think people who claim to have seen them are mentally ill even though groups of 30 have all had the same illusion... it's strange.

There is no "outer perimeter" to our planet.  Spheres don't have perimeters.  At any rate, why do you propose that people haven't travelled beyond your alleged perimeter for a long time (if ever)?  Considering the ease of air travel nowadays, why would that be?

I'd also be pleased if you could provide us a link to some sort of documentation talking about "9 feet tall alien creatures".  And where and when did this purported group of 30 people see this illusion/mirage?  I've not come across this story before.

From the New York times http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/world/ufo-landing-is-fact-not-fantasy-the-russians-insist.html

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Generally I Regard the Outer Dimension or "Other Side" to be Unreachable. It's kind of like a Mirrored side to our own yet it is very different (With the Portal frozen in Antarctica until the Ice Melts completely). I believe they have been able to get some probes to us but they are robots and not really the Annunnaki either way nobody has failed to get to them before and perspective doesn't really show you that these robots are about 8-9 feet tall. Most people will believe these videos are faked although some people swear up and down they have seen them in real life. From the Videos I can't tell if it's fake since it definitely is cutting edge if it's not fake. However if it's real it's troubling which is why I think most would rather not believe in this stuff. 

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i thank you for posting the links and videos.

The videos were very unconvincing however, and the Chinese UFO landing was obviously a CGI work.

The alleged 8 foot tall praying mantis video was really indeterminate—it could've been anything from fungus on the camera's lens, to a cloud, to a distant dead tree.  Or even just a setup.

I'd regard both the Russian reports as bogus, particularly the one reprinted from TASS 25 years ago.

These are a few of the sketches the Russian schoolkids made after their alleged encounter with the aliens:


The media described the sketches as remarkably similar, but to my eye they're not really; they're more just like how kids would imagine space ships to look.  And of course there's no guarantee that the sketches were really drawn by the kids.  They could just be part of the elaborate hoax.

i thank you for posting the links and videos.

The videos were very unconvincing however, and the Chinese UFO landing was obviously a CGI work.

The alleged 8 foot tall praying mantis video was really indeterminate—it could've been anything from fungus on the camera's lens, to a cloud, to a distant dead tree.  Or even just a setup.

I'd regard both the Russian reports as bogus, particularly the one reprinted from TASS 25 years ago.

These are a few of the sketches the Russian schoolkids made after their alleged encounter with the aliens:

The media described the sketches as remarkably similar, but to my eye they're not really; they're more just like how kids would imagine space ships to look.  And of course there's no guarantee that the sketches were really drawn by the kids.  They could just be part of the elaborate hoax.

Yeah I'm not so sure what to think about that stuff. But some of it seems to come from really credible sources especially USO phenomenon. Really good video However I'm not sure what to think of USO's or what they are.

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Interesting video about the alleged USOs, but still unconvincing to my skeptical mind.

Too many CGI mockups, recreations, and too few actual images—in fact, no actual images.  How could it be that despite hundreds of "sightings" there's not been one single bit of film footage recorded—in over 50 years?

Everything was "alleged" or "reported" or theorised about, but nothing positive was proved.  Most of the talking heads were repeating third-party hearsay; hardly conclusive evidence.

To me that was simply another History Channel beat-up.

Interesting video about the alleged USOs, but still unconvincing to my skeptical mind.

Too many CGI mockups, recreations, and too few actual images—in fact, no actual images.  How could it be that despite hundreds of "sightings" there's not been one single bit of film footage recorded—in over 50 years?

Everything was "alleged" or "reported" or theorised about, but nothing positive was proved.  Most of the talking heads were repeating third-party hearsay; hardly conclusive evidence.

To me that was simply another History Channel beat-up.

There is a ton of footage. To the Skeptic they will never believe it though.

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Some more weird stuff not sure what it is.

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There is a ton of footage. To the Skeptic they will never believe it though.

Some more weird stuff not sure what it is.

Thanks again for the videos.  The first one wasn't at all convincing.  Horribly pixellated images made it difficult to discern anything confidently.  It never ceases to amaze me that people who publish these allegedly impressive images are invariably using 2MP cameras, and seem to all be epileptics LOL.  No telephoto lenses?  No tripods?  No 24MP cameras?

Incidentally, the white "USO" in the water was obviously a circular 12" diameter polystyrene float caught on a trawling line by its tether.  They're used by fishermen the world over to mark their nets.

The second video was also pretty unconvincing.  When viewing footage of multiple lights in the sky at night, as in the first part, one has to dismiss all the possibilities before blindly accepting it as evidence of UFO activity.  The couple in the car did not do this even at a basic level: she just immediately screamed out that she didn't know what the lights were.  Also interesting that none of the other vehicles passing by bothered to stop, probably because they knew they were landing lights mounted on a small fleet of helicopters (military?) flying in loose formation.

The second part was also unconvincing.  The two alleged "lights" in the sky looked like silvered weather balloons at different distances from the cameraman.  This is a more than common error of observation, particularly amongst people who've never seen a weather balloon before.  Note also that neither "light" moved relative to the horizon.  It was only when the cameraman zooms upwards towards a clear sky that they started to "move" (and we couldn't see the horizon for reference).  This is exactly the effect you get when you pan the camera.  I'd even say this is probably a deliberate fraud.

The third part of the video showed—at various zoom ratios—another silvered and largely deflated weather balloon descending to earth on atmospheric thermals.  As they commonly do.  The nearly-empty, distorted balloon is also rotating slowly on its vertical axis due to the weight of its equipment tether at its base.

So..... as a skeptic, I'm gonna need one hell of a lot more convincing for me to take these sorts of videos seriously.

Incidentally, the first video's take-off of the old Twilight Zone TV series was a total wank, and only served to weaken the claims it was making.  Stupid, and hardly scientific LOL.

[EDIT: 12' diameter changed to 12" duh]

Quote from: Sculelos on January 01, 2014, 08:49:56 PM

There is a ton of footage. To the Skeptic they will never believe it though.

Some more weird stuff not sure what it is.

Thanks again for the videos.  The first one wasn't at all convincing.  Horribly pixellated images made it difficult to discern anything confidently.  It never ceases to amaze me that people who publish these allegedly impressive images are invariably using 2MP cameras, and seem to all be epileptics LOL.  No telephoto lenses?  No tripods?  No 24MP cameras?

Incidentally, the white "USO" in the water was obviously a circular 12' diameter polystyrene float caught on a trawling line by its tether.  They're used by fishermen the world over to mark their nets.

The second video was also pretty unconvincing.  When viewing footage of multiple lights in the sky at night, as in the first part, one has to dismiss all the possibilities before blindly accepting it as evidence of UFO activity.  The couple in the car did not do this even at a basic level: she just immediately screamed out that she didn't know what the lights were.  Also interesting that none of the other vehicles passing by bothered to stop, probably because they knew they were landing lights mounted on a small fleet of helicopters (military?) flying in loose formation.

The second part was also unconvincing.  The two alleged "lights" in the sky looked like silvered weather balloons at different distances from the cameraman.  This is a more than common error of observation, particularly amongst people who've never seen a weather balloon before.  Note also that neither "light" moved relative to the horizon.  It was only when the cameraman zooms upwards towards a clear sky that they started to "move" (and we couldn't see the horizon for reference).  This is exactly the effect you get when you pan the camera.  I'd even say this is probably a deliberate fraud.

The third part of the video showed—at various zoom ratios—another silvered and largely deflated weather balloon descending to earth on atmospheric thermals.  As they commonly do.  The nearly-empty, distorted balloon is also rotating slowly on its vertical axis due to the weight of its equipment tether at its base.

So..... as a skeptic, I'm gonna need one hell of a lot more convincing for me to take these sorts of videos seriously.

Incidentally, the first video's take-off of the old Twilight Zone TV series was a total wank, and only served to weaken the claims it was making.  Stupid, and hardly scientific LOL.

Thanks for your input. Sometimes I think UFO's or USO's are just magnetic distortion in Earths atmosphere. Weather Balloons or Aircraft Flairs makes sense as well for some of them. Some of them might just be magnetized metal ejections from the vertices as with that one ship crash. Some of them might also be part of burnt out stars or meteorites or space junk. It's hard to say for sure but UFO sightings are very common. Just because it's a UFO doesn't mean it's an Alien craft.

Just saying that I know for sure that I've seen this UFO before. In fact I see it almost everyday but I've never really seen it this close before really amazing UFO. I call it the Black Knight or sometimes the Dragon.



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You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:23:23 PM

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

It does in the second video when the object is right overhead. Fake objects don't make sounds so they play music instead.

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:23:23 PM

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

It does in the second video when the object is right overhead. Fake objects don't make sounds so they play music instead.

Planetary Objects don't make any sound anyways. That was the same as the 7x Giant Earth they just found a few years ago.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/superearth-habitable-zone/

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:59:26 PM

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:23:23 PM

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

It does in the second video when the object is right overhead. Fake objects don't make sounds so they play music instead.

Planetary Objects don't make any sound anyways. That was the same as the 7x Giant Earth they just found.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/superearth-habitable-zone/

Nobody is claiming that a planet 42 light years away just showed up to a random place only to run away.

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 08:22:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:59:26 PM

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:23:23 PM

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

It does in the second video when the object is right overhead. Fake objects don't make sounds so they play music instead.

Planetary Objects don't make any sound anyways. That was the same as the 7x Giant Earth they just found.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/superearth-habitable-zone/

Nobody is claiming that a planet 42 light years away just showed up to a random place only to run away.

First off, lots of things we see don't make any logical sense. Second Light is not limited to any arbitrary speed but yet becomes dark when it goes over a certain speed. Third there is no proper measurements for the Universe without having a stable speed of light.

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 08:25:43 PM

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 08:22:47 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:59:26 PM

Quote from: Sculelos on January 02, 2014, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: sokarul on January 02, 2014, 07:23:23 PM

You know how we know those videos are fake? The music.

Sound doesn't really matter with UFO sightings lol.

It does in the second video when the object is right overhead. Fake objects don't make sounds so they play music instead.

Planetary Objects don't make any sound anyways. That was the same as the 7x Giant Earth they just found.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/superearth-habitable-zone/

Nobody is claiming that a planet 42 light years away just showed up to a random place only to run away.

First off, lots of things we see don't make any logical sense. Second Light is not limited to any arbitrary speed but yet becomes dark when it goes over a certain speed. Third there is no proper measurements for the Universe without having a stable speed of light.

No

There are currently 43 realms other than our own known. 14 accomodate intelligent life. With 3 of them we have direct contact.

There are currently 43 realms other than our own known. 14 accomodate intelligent life. With 3 of them we have direct contact.

Do you have any links or background information? Where are you getting your sources? And what do you consider a realm? What are some of the names of the realms? What Other Intelligent life is their beyond Humans, Angels and the Annunnaki? What ones do we have direct contact?

We need a lot more information then just numbers and we need somewhat of an explanation of what you are talking about. One other side is very common in Mythology so it doesn't need a lot of explaining but if your talking about more then 2 dimensions that's a whole different string of information.

I don't know if I would want to go to the other side to be honest. The Clouds are a Dense Scorching Vapor and the Land is in Permanent Tundra and Permanent Twilight with Cold Weather all year round. On the bright side they would have a few hot springs and a few lush areas but it would be far and few between. They would gather in high radiation spots since that would be the only areas they could move at normal speeds and the only areas they could shift.

On the bright side the other side wouldn't have any shortages of fresh water but the big negative is the creatures on the other side are huge and terrifying. I'm kind of glad that the passageway connecting both Sides is Frozen in the Water right now.

I don't know if I would want to go to the other side to be honest. The Clouds are a Dense Scorching Vapor and the Land is in Permanent Tundra and Permanent Twilight with Cold Weather all year round. On the bright side they would have a few hot springs and a few lush areas but it would be far and few between. They would gather in high radiation spots since that would be the only areas they could move at normal speeds and the only areas they could shift.

On the bright side the other side wouldn't have any shortages of fresh water but the big negative is the creatures on the other side are huge and terrifying. I'm kind of glad that the passageway connecting both Sides is Frozen in the Water right now.

Anything else you want to pull out of thin air?

Quote from: Sculelos on January 03, 2014, 03:18:12 PM

I don't know if I would want to go to the other side to be honest. The Clouds are a Dense Scorching Vapor and the Land is in Permanent Tundra and Permanent Twilight with Cold Weather all year round. On the bright side they would have a few hot springs and a few lush areas but it would be far and few between. They would gather in high radiation spots since that would be the only areas they could move at normal speeds and the only areas they could shift.

On the bright side the other side wouldn't have any shortages of fresh water but the big negative is the creatures on the other side are huge and terrifying. I'm kind of glad that the passageway connecting both Sides is Frozen in the Water right now.

Anything else you want to pull out of thin air?

Well they have a lot of low level vegetation and a lot of warm water making it a decent place for hunters but really crappy weather for growing any fruits or vegetables sense the air temperature would be stuck around 30-40 degrees all year round. Trees and low level vegetation (grass/shrubs) wouldn't have any problems growing as ample low level light would always be present and hot vapor streams would keep pools of fresh water melted but the ground would be hard to cultivate or grow anything. The Electro-Magnetic Force would be about 1/8th of what it is on Earth so it would be much easier to move much faster but creatures would also grow to Prehistoric sizes.

To be honest I'm not really sure it's a place any of us would really want to go that badly even if we could.