RET contradictions?

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2013, 09:25:27 AM »
I haven't been to space, but then again I am into geology, I look at the rocks and then calculate what the paleo conditions of Earth were like, or just make a shit ton of money finding oil.

But your statement does at least give the the satisfaction of being able to once and for all establish that the people on this thread are mentally unhinged.

Aluminum foil hats, should be in a rubber room, danger to themselves and others, mumbling on street corners....

Yep, I have found your pigeon hole.
Sometimes on this forum I feel like I am kicking puppies, but I have good boots.  Just in case your curious I also have more science training than you do.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2013, 09:58:29 AM »
Odds are, Scepti's already seen or heard something similar.  Most of this stuff is not new to us here Don.  Just like you REs, we need definitive proof in order to change our minds.  Thanks for the effort though.

In that case I will save the effort, but you have to understand that we all have questions about why we're here, how the universe has been created. Humanity does not have the answers to that yet, we can only look and observe things  as they are and try to explain why it is what it is. This is what science is all about, trying to find the thruth.

They use methods to determine certain things. I will use a very basic thing to explain this. How can you determine the age of a tree? You know there are tree rings, right? but how would you know how much these rings grow each year? You will have to come up with a method to determine that. Scientists do the exact same thing in everything they explore. They use preset methods  to determine things and the cool thing about science is that the methods they use and the experiments they run are repeatable, so you can test and retest that your previous results were accurate.
On earth yes. I'm talking about so called space and how earth is supposed to act in it.

But Scepti, they do they exact same thing when exploring and observing the universe.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2013, 07:57:53 PM »
What contradictions did you find in the RET?  which made you think...there has to be a flat earth!

I do not mean NASA is fake and that kind of stuff. Also not that the earth looks flat from up close. What theory of the round earth is contradicting itself?

For example, the FET there are plenty of examples in which it contradicts itself (thus the earth can't be a flat earth), but all of that aside...

What is the contradiction in RET?
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2013, 08:33:29 PM »
In that case I will save the effort, but you have to understand that we all have questions about why we're here, how the universe has been created. Humanity does not have the answers to that yet, we can only look and observe things  as they are and try to explain why it is what it is. This is what science is all about, trying to find the thruth.

They use methods to determine certain things. I will use a very basic thing to explain this. How can you determine the age of a tree? You know there are tree rings, right? but how would you know how much these rings grow each year? You will have to come up with a method to determine that. Scientists do the exact same thing in everything they explore. They use preset methods  to determine things and the cool thing about science is that the methods they use and the experiments they run are repeatable, so you can test and retest that your previous results were accurate.

What maketh thee thinkest FETruthers don't already use 'the science'? It's how we figured out FET is real in the first place, and RET is false.

There's nothing to prove or replicate RET on any scale in any experiment, so physically RET is IMPOSSIBURU!!


You make a huge error in "handing over the Authority of Monopoly over Science" to "the scientists". Often times those 'scientists' are payed in cash to fake things or 'prove' nonsense to some big corporation that wants to sell it's drugs to the masses.

Scientists use MONEY $$$$$$$$for their EXPERIMENTS. Which they don't share with US! The money or the experiments..

Can you PROVE scientists USE ACTUAL SCIENCE for their experiementations or "science"? Niet!

How is the science used by us FET'ers unacceptable, despite it being opened and available to all? While the only 'acceptible sciencez' are locked up in a secret no-civilian-access Area 51 so you don't have to actually prove anything to prove you've proven anything at all?

Your cash cow "scientists" of the RET conspiracy are payed to keep their lying mouths SHUT. And to say whatever they're payed to say.

LAW #1: Money makes the Flat Earth Truth seem 'false theory'. Money makes the Round Earth Theory go round in your head, despite it not having any substance of verification anywhere, ever.

It is all so simple if you get your head out of a 2000 year old book and actually go outside and experience things for yourself.

God is dead.

The world is round.

You can go to space.

All of it is amazing, it is just sad that you can't experience it with the rest of us.

Why don't you cross the South Pole and prove the Edge of the Earth is just an island like RET says? Go on experience the Edge of the Flat Earth, and try teleporting on the diametrically opposite side to disprove FE.

Where is the dead body? Have they identified a murderer yet?

The world is Flat.

You can't go to 'space'. There is no space. No one was 'there'. They were payed too much, and kept all that money for themselves, remaining here to save a lot of ca$h. It's the nature of people. If someone payed you ridiculous ammounts of $$$ to go 'to space' would you not rather stay here and pretend you did, to spend all of it on frivolity?

Logic. Apply it like butter on bread. Then eat the Flat Earth truth that's as flat as that slice of bread you just applied the logic butter on.

You're not 'experiencing' anything, mate. Except LSD ...  :D
You're in your grandfolk's attick logging on to the Flat Earth Society site trying to 'act a fool' and pretend you're smart or something.

Well, it failed. You have no way of experiencing 'the RET', except as a mass delusion.

Light waves are bendy, you can prove this by taking a simple magnifying glass and looking on the edges. Air itself has light bending properties, just like water does, because it's fluid.

Are you trying to tell me air doesn't exist now? Yea, good luck with that.

Oh really? You've been to space, EJ?  Who's head is in a 2000 year old book?  FYI, I am a God.

 :D You tell'im.

I haven't been to space, but then again I am into geology, I look at the rocks and then calculate what the paleo conditions of Earth were like

My father is a real geologist, working for the damn country profesionally, officially. Not some amateur enthusiast like you.

And he was never once able to disprove my FET arguments, or prove RET to me. NOT ONCE He ended up mocking it and 'agreeing' as a joke just to keep from having to debate it further, because he saw he has no evidence to support RET before me.

What makes you think a RE'er like you can accomplish what a professional national expert (internationally acclaimed bla.bla. as Round Earther), never could?

Fossils can be faked, I've seen enough of them in the national institute to know how fake they can be. And dating is flawed. Ever thought the thing you're trying to 'carbon date' is made up from older elements? If you make a coin from 10.000 year old metal, that doesn't make the coin 10.000 year old, mate. It's still just 2 days old from when you smelted it.

Trust me when I say this, and I have real experience. Geologists are 99% stupid as hell. Most scientists are just loonies, and I know this for a fact having one of them for a father who's a REarther.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2013, 09:16:34 PM »
My, oh, my.  This is going to be a fun one to tackle on my first post back.

What maketh thee thinkest FETruthers don't already use 'the science'? It's how we figured out FET is real in the first place, and RET is false.
Well, to start, by what I've seen in my short time back you in particular have a fundamental misunderstanding of empirically found fact.  That, itself, doesn't mean you don't use science, but it does mean that any further conclusions you draw which may be influenced by said facts are flawed.  Your method may be flawless, but your input is skewed.

There's nothing to prove or replicate RET on any scale in any experiment, so physically RET is IMPOSSIBURU!!
We can't prove gravity?  We can prove gravity to a degree higher than you can prove UA, we have orbit.  I'll grant you, we can't replicate accretion on the scale necessary for the Earth, though.  Gravity is phenomenally weak in comparison to the other forces.  The fact is that, at short distances and in small quantities of mass, the slightly negative charge of an atom's electron cloud can overpower gravity.

You make a huge error in "handing over the Authority of Monopoly over Science" to "the scientists". Often times those 'scientists' are payed in cash to fake things or 'prove' nonsense to some big corporation that wants to sell it's drugs to the masses.
That's some very nice speculation, can we see citation on it?

Scientists use MONEY $$$$$$$$for their EXPERIMENTS. Which they don't share with US! The money or the experiments..
So, to be clear, you expect scientists to give away their money and live on nothing?  If you want to see the experiments, Google "Scientific journal experiment."  I'm more than sure at least a few results will come up if you care to look.

Can you PROVE scientists USE ACTUAL SCIENCE for their experiementations or "science"? Niet!
Well, yes, we can.  Perform a given experiment, see the results.  That's kind of the idea of empiricism.  Now, if you can't afford it, feel free to try and get an education in the field and then a job at NASA.  I'm sure they'll make you sign all kinds of NDAs if it's a conspiracy, but if your findings are lacking and you come out that the Earth is flat, I'm sure there's SOME country willing to grant you asylum.  If not, you've just improved the world at the cost of your life, the most noble thing a man can do.

How is the science used by us FET'ers unacceptable, despite it being opened and available to all? While the only 'acceptible sciencez' are locked up in a secret no-civilian-access Area 51 so you don't have to actually prove anything to prove you've proven anything at all?
Well, because the experiments presented by the FE model's proponents near never prove anything.  You can keep testing to see if a fabric is cotton or wool, but if the only thing you're doing is staring at it and making things up, your results mean nothing.  Feel free to present one experiment that proves a flat Earth that doesn't have conflicting results or simply reaffirm what is expected on a round Earth outright, though.

Your cash cow "scientists" of the RET conspiracy are payed to keep their lying mouths SHUT. And to say whatever they're payed to say.
Some more fun speculation!  I take it you can back this up?  Because it seems rather incredible to me that literally everyone who has said the Earth is round since the early age of history, who in many cases actually relied on that being the case for what they were doing to work, was being paid off.

LAW #1: Money makes the Flat Earth Truth seem 'false theory'. Money makes the Round Earth Theory go round in your head, despite it not having any substance of verification anywhere, ever.
No, blatant contradictions are what make the FE model seem like a false hypothesis.  If a two year old can point out a flaw in it and you can't explain to them why it's not a flaw with data to back you up, your hypothesis has a problem.  See, the twofold rotational axis of the sky.  Alternatively see, discrepancies in flight times on a flat Earth.

Why don't you cross the South Pole and prove the Edge of the Earth is just an island like RET says? Go on experience the Edge of the Flat Earth, and try teleporting on the diametrically opposite side to disprove FE.
Why would he have to?  He's arguing for established fact, you're arguing for a competing idea.  If you feel it would prove anything beside what is already known, take a trip across the Antarctic yourself.  If you've traveled in a relatively straight line further than the longest distance between coasts on the actual continent, then come on back and let us know.  I recommend taking a third party with you, as well.

You can't go to 'space'. There is no space. No one was 'there'. They were payed too much, and kept all that money for themselves, remaining here to save a lot of ca$h. It's the nature of people. If someone payed you ridiculous ammounts of $$$ to go 'to space' would you not rather stay here and pretend you did, to spend all of it on frivolity?
Yes, once again, that's some very nice speculation that you have there.  I'm waiting for anything to back it up, at least in the way of fact, though.

Logic. Apply it like butter on bread. Then eat the Flat Earth truth that's as flat as that slice of bread you just applied the logic butter on.
I applied it to my bread, and the resulting slice formed into a sphere.  A bit odd, honestly, it didn't do that with toast last time I checked.

You're in your grandfolk's attick logging on to the Flat Earth Society site trying to 'act a fool' and pretend you're smart or something.
You're the one logged into the site, telling people they're wrong while ignoring a massive body of evidence agreed upon by every person in the relevant fields.  I'd call that acting smart, to the point of arrogance.  Not mentioning that you truly do look the fool from this side.

Well, it failed. You have no way of experiencing 'the RET', except as a mass delusion.
If you want to get philosophical, all perception is just a delusion.  We are subjective beings in an objective world.  Science attempts to give us a method by which to objectively analyse this world, and has time and again come out in favor a round Earth.  It's also come out in favor of water being wet, but these can both be called mass delusions because as subjective beings we cannot truly, objectively know either.  Only know them to the best of our ability.

Light waves are bendy, you can prove this by taking a simple magnifying glass and looking on the edges. Air itself has light bending properties, just like water does, because it's fluid.

Are you trying to tell me air doesn't exist now? Yea, good luck with that.
Refraction between mediums of differing densities is a well documented phenomena.  However, it works in a way opposing how it would need to on a flat Earth if bendy light is considered an excuse.  If viewed side on with a gradient ranging densest material at the bottom and least dense at the top, light bends downward.  Assuming bendy light, it would need to come in at an angle from the top and bend back upward.

My father is a real geologist, working for the damn country profesionally, officially. Not some amateur enthusiast like you.

And he was never once able to disprove my FET arguments, or prove RET to me. NOT ONCE He ended up mocking it and 'agreeing' as a joke just to keep from having to debate it further, because he saw he has no evidence to support RET before me.

What makes you think a RE'er like you can accomplish what a professional national expert (internationally acclaimed bla.bla. as Round Earther), never could?
Holy hell, your father is so highly renowned and intelligent that just by Jeffy saying he's a geologist you can tell he's not a professional?  That seems extremely unlikely, who is your father?

Regardless of who he is, even if he's unbelievably well versed in geology, it means nothing on his overall ability to refute a flawed hypothesis.  His field of expertise doesn't necessarily encompass knowing every intricacy of your model, nor does it necessarily encompass every reason why it may be flawed.  In fact, I'll have you know that my father is a roadworker and has never beat me in tennis, therefore I could easily win Wimbleton.

Fossils can be faked, I've seen enough of them in the national institute to know how fake they can be. And dating is flawed. Ever thought the thing you're trying to 'carbon date' is made up from older elements? If you make a coin from 10.000 year old metal, that doesn't make the coin 10.000 year old, mate. It's still just 2 days old from when you smelted it.
You understand how carbon dating works, yes?  It takes a baseline for the amount of a carbon isotope likely to be in the environment at the time, and then extrapolates from that isotope's half life how many years old the fossil is.  If you're implying that anyone is specifically manufacturing fossils with carbon isotope amounts consistent with expectations, the question is why?  Why would anyone honestly care that much?

Trust me when I say this, and I have real experience. Geologists are 99% stupid as hell. Most scientists are just loonies, and I know this for a fact having one of them for a father who's a REarther.
So because your father doesn't agree with you and is a geologist, ninety nine percent of scientists are insane?  I'm sorry, I don't see the necessary logical connection there.  Unless you're saying you've literally met every scientist in the world, and that in your experience exactly ninety nine percent of them are insane, which is patently absurd.  It also leaves the question of why you would even bring up your father a second time, unless you simply want to insult him.

At any rate, I'm going to assume little has changed and try in vain to get this thread back on topic.  Contradictions of observations with expectations of a round Earth, anyone?  Anyone at all?
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2013, 10:14:56 PM »
Dodging. I can tell you play tennis. You must be tired of losing if you're here trying to show off. Your father's a road worker so why don't you go work the streets?

Leave us real scientists to work here. But now that I have your boring attention, why don't I waste my time and provide you with contradictions I've found in RET?

Waste because you'll dodge them anew, and find cheap excuses for a 'response', avoiding the question at hand. So I'll be as concise as possible:

~Why do RETerrorists cower from disproving FET?
~Why are RET'ists so interested in FET you patrol our lines here, spying about on 'why we are FET' or 'why we don't believe the RET lie'?
~Why are you a militant skeptic who hates the fact that I'm a militant skeptic?
~Are you granted magical powers by your RET overlords that you think only you can be 'skeptical', while FETruthists are not 'allowed to be skeptic about anything ever!' ?
~Have you nothing better to do than to visit the Flat Earth Society and waste our time reading your boring copy pasta?
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2013, 10:31:03 PM »
Dodging. I can tell you play tennis. You must be tired of losing if you're here trying to show off. Your father's a road worker so why don't you go work the streets?

Leave us real scientists to work here. But now that I have your boring attention, why don't I waste my time and provide you with contradictions I've found in RET?

Waste because you'll dodge them anew, and find cheap excuses for a 'response', avoiding the question at hand. So I'll be as concise as possible:

~Why do RETerrorists cower from disproving FET?
~Why are RET'ists so interested in FET you patrol our lines here, spying about on 'why we are FET' or 'why we don't believe the RET lie'?
~Why are you a militant skeptic who hates the fact that I'm a militant skeptic?
~Are you granted magical powers by your RET overlords that you think only you can be 'skeptical', while FETruthists are not 'allowed to be skeptic about anything ever!' ?
~Have you nothing better to do than to visit the Flat Earth Society and waste our time reading your boring copy pasta?
1. They don't, flat earthers tend to just ignore evidence.
2. Some people like to debate.
3. He's not a militant sceptic, he's shown nothing that show he is.
4. There is a difference between being skeptical and ignoring evidence.
5. I get bored sometimes.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2013, 04:24:51 AM »
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Silverdane. I will try to explain. Try, because you've admitted in another thread you're having mental issues.

Science is not a monopoly for scientists. Anyone can practice scientists, if they follow the rules of science. That is that all your data is collected systematically, interpreted systematically and collected with a clear purpose to find things out. These are the basic three rules. Break 1 and it's not real science.

Scientists write very detailed reports about what they do, how they've done it and then what their findings are. If you were going to do the exact same thing, you should be able to reproduce the same results from the test. Again, should, because we can't be sure for 100%. For example: If you were to drop thousands of objects, you will find that each and every one of them will fall to the earth. Can we be 100% sure that it will forever? No, it only takes one object to fall in the opposite direction and it will destroy your certainty. However, we can say with great certainty there is a force that causes objects to fall, because that is what has been observed all those times.

You do not have any indisputable piece of evidence to show the earth is flat. Also, you rule out all sorts of RET evidence without even considering it. I name space exploration. Look up and you'll see the ISS. Witness a rocket launch some day, and see they truely shoot things into space.

You however call it fake, because it can't be achieved on a flat earth, but then you already assume you live on a flat earth. You don't look properly. Again, you admitted you have mental issues in another thread. I think that is where you should look first...how much does your mental issue prevent you from seeing reality.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2013, 04:28:41 AM »
About carbon dating. This wouldn't be possible with metal. It only works for organic material. Organic material is material that was once alive. As soon as the organism dies, the carbon dating starts. Only then will isotopes start to decay.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2013, 04:56:07 AM »
Dodging. I can tell you play tennis. You must be tired of losing if you're here trying to show off. Your father's a road worker so why don't you go work the streets?

Leave us real scientists to work here. But now that I have your boring attention, why don't I waste my time and provide you with contradictions I've found in RET?

Waste because you'll dodge them anew, and find cheap excuses for a 'response', avoiding the question at hand. So I'll be as concise as possible:

~Why do RETerrorists cower from disproving FET?
~Why are RET'ists so interested in FET you patrol our lines here, spying about on 'why we are FET' or 'why we don't believe the RET lie'?
~Why are you a militant skeptic who hates the fact that I'm a militant skeptic?
~Are you granted magical powers by your RET overlords that you think only you can be 'skeptical', while FETruthists are not 'allowed to be skeptic about anything ever!' ?
~Have you nothing better to do than to visit the Flat Earth Society and waste our time reading your boring copy pasta?
I am a roadworker, Silverdane.  I'm a member of Local 150, the midwestern division of the IUOE, and it's the only job I've ever worked aside from construction as a younger man.  That doesn't mean I don't enjoy tennis when I have time, though.

~Irrelevant to the thread, but what would you like us to disprove, Silverdane?  Or prove, rather?
~I can only speak for myself on this one, I enjoy debate and educating.  I'm not spying, I haven't told a soul that I visit this place.  It's mainly for entertainment when I have spare time.
~I couldn't care less what you consider yourself, when you input false or lacking data you arrive at false results.  Surely as a kinsman at heart you agree?
~Not in the slightest.  But again, when you're skeptical without reason, you often come to a biased result.
~I'm fairly sure not a single thing I posted was copy pasted, and considering that was last night, I trust my memory explicitly.  If you want copy pasta, go look at a sandokhan thread.  But to answer your question, I don't have time to indulge in many of my other pastimes in the twenty minutes I have before I go and do my job.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2013, 01:19:00 PM »
About carbon dating. This wouldn't be possible with metal. It only works for organic material. Organic material is material that was once alive. As soon as the organism dies, the carbon dating starts. Only then will isotopes start to decay.
Close, but not quite.  Carbon 14 is always decaying, whether an organism is alive or dead.  However, as organisms eat organic material, the carbon 14 is replenished and the carbon to carbon 14 ratio stays pretty much constant.  When the organism dies and stops taking in organic material, then the carbon 14 is not replenished and the carbon to carbon 14 ratio begins to change.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2013, 04:29:51 PM »
1. They don't, flat earthers tend to just ignore evidence.
2. Some people like to debate.
3. He's not a militant sceptic, he's shown nothing that show he is.
4. There is a difference between being skeptical and ignoring evidence.
5. I get bored sometimes.
1.RE'ers tend to just ignore facts.
2.Those aren't people they're MasterdeBaters.
3.His profile says "militant skeptic".  ::)
4.You ignore all FET evidence, proving you are not militant skeptics, just ignorant jokers.
5.That's 'cause you're boring. A lot. And not just me. Everybody.

Silverdane. I will try to explain. Try, because you've admitted in another thread you're having mental issues.

Science is not a monopoly for scientists. Anyone can practice scientists, if they follow the rules of science. That is that all your data is collected systematically, interpreted systematically and collected with a clear purpose to find things out. These are the basic three rules. Break 1 and it's not real science.

Scientists write very detailed reports about what they do, how they've done it and then what their findings are. If you were going to do the exact same thing, you should be able to reproduce the same results from the test. Again, should, because we can't be sure for 100%. For example: If you were to drop thousands of objects, you will find that each and every one of them will fall to the earth. Can we be 100% sure that it will forever? No, it only takes one object to fall in the opposite direction and it will destroy your certainty. However, we can say with great certainty there is a force that causes objects to fall, because that is what has been observed all those times.

You do not have any indisputable piece of evidence to show the earth is flat. Also, you rule out all sorts of RET evidence without even considering it. I name space exploration. Look up and you'll see the ISS. Witness a rocket launch some day, and see they truely shoot things into space.

You however call it fake, because it can't be achieved on a flat earth, but then you already assume you live on a flat earth. You don't look properly. Again, you admitted you have mental issues in another thread. I think that is where you should look first...how much does your mental issue prevent you from seeing reality.
Your desperation is boring and passee. I call wimp.
Being a psychopath means I have no hesitation in killing you. If you keep running your trap. Same goes for other stupid RETerrorists who have the blind audacity to lie to our faces, while you're going on deceiving the whole world, for the purpose of deceiving them.

How do we know you're not a lizard? Hiss much? You certainly try to diss a lot. Don Dissalot should be your nick. Or maybe ... Don Hissalot?  :P

When you're done soaking up sunlight and waving your pseudopsychologist's lab dress in everyone's nosies, get back to what we call : "reality".

Your rockets disprove gravity. Gravity cannot exist at the same with rockets. Because then antigravity should exist. But rockets aren't antigravitational, they're just explosive. Your bear droppings aren't impressing anyone, m8. Ever. Like ever ever ever.

Space isn't proven by rockets. What's to keep rockets from existing on a Flat Earth? If anything they support FET by disproving gravity. If you weren't locked in your family's attick in a chair due to overweight fast food dieting issues (read:obesity due to stuck in chair) you could try jumping to disprove gravity. Fer Yerself.

Some inspiration, turn off your scifi miserable vomitry, and listen to Cypress Hill: Jump Around. That should motivate you to disprove gravity & lose weight. Then you can disprove the Ice Wall for me, Don BeachedWhale.
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The Earth looks flat. It wouldn't look so flat if it had any other shape. If it were to be round, we'd have many direct ways of observing this, directly & indirectly. WE DO NOT. Ergo, why even take RET seriesly? Because you do?

Well topsy turvy good on ya for worshiping RET Alien Theory because you watched too many X Files episodes and have a crush on Smoulder (Scully+Mulder). Just because most people think they know something doesn't mean they can convinge me to believe in it.  :-*

How many people believe in Atheism, yet fail to ever convince me to believe in that god also? The god Atheist is fictitious and exists not. I can no more believe in this false god than I can believe in the Ball World theory.

I'd sooner trust a Pancake World. Can't go wrong with pancakes! I don't recommend them to you, you should keep a weight watch buddy...

PS: You don't \try\ to explain. You try to act smart, but fail in the process and stumble, only to come out looking dumb.

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I am a roadworker, Silverdane.  I'm a member of Local 150, the midwestern division of the IUOE, and it's the only job I've ever worked aside from construction as a younger man.  That doesn't mean I don't enjoy tennis when I have time, though.

~Irrelevant to the thread, but what would you like us to disprove, Silverdane?  Or prove, rather?
~I can only speak for myself on this one, I enjoy debate and educating.  I'm not spying, I haven't told a soul that I visit this place.  It's mainly for entertainment when I have spare time.
~I couldn't care less what you consider yourself, when you input false or lacking data you arrive at false results.  Surely as a kinsman at heart you agree?
~Not in the slightest.  But again, when you're skeptical without reason, you often come to a biased result.
~I'm fairly sure not a single thing I posted was copy pasted, and considering that was last night, I trust my memory explicitly.  If you want copy pasta, go look at a sandokhan thread.  But to answer your question, I don't have time to indulge in many of my other pastimes in the twenty minutes I have before I go and do my job.

Cannot believe I'm debating with a road worker. Seriesly I'm one of the most intelligent minds in Europe (next to Sandokan but not surpassing him of course), and here I am being asked by a roadworker to 'do stuff for his mental security'.

Will you go insane if we don't bother proving FET to you? Or are you going insane now because you are oscilating between FET & your own indoctrinated beliefs? You appear to be struggling with sanity, as the weight of doubt is crushing your logic into a fine useless ..... dust.

~I want YOU to prove RET to ME, roadworker. No cheating, use the same resources us FETruthers have at everyone's disposal. That will convince me you're not a lying punk on too much drugs & steroids supported by govt. welfare for the condition you lie to the innocent tax paying good folk out there.

~You have a lot of spare time. It's good you can find 'entertainment'. But why would I bother with someone who's here to have fun? This isn't the disco, kid. Go to a strip bar, or get your kicks elsehow. Don't waste my time doing it. I'm a serious researcher.

~You can't "input" lacking data. That doesn't even make any sense, at all!! What 'false data' have I inputed? Link me, or bother me no more with your tripe accusations.

~I have no reason to be skeptical about FET. I believed it as soon as I heard it. It's the perfect world shape geography for me, and nature. Makes sense, and feels right. What else is there to say?
What makes you think people have 'no reason' to be skeptical about RET? If you'd know some history, you'd know Flat Earth is the dominant worldview for a long long time. Your RET nonsense only recently began being peddled in heretic humanist schools, after the Socialist Revolutions that began in Europe's great Christian Empires. Few centuries ago!

~Irregardless of any unproven theories like Darwinism or RET that are peddled in school by the propagandist lying scientist cliques, FACT IS FACT. I don't have reasons to seriously consider a fictitious theory like RET. There's nothing about it that makes sense, it's just hocus pocus!!

~Sandokhan actually uses science and facts. Maybe you are the one who should be studying his posts. In fact try disproving them, see if your roadworking magic can do any such wonder. If you can disprove any of Sandokhan's posts, I'll give you a chance to convince me of your foolish RET baloonery.

You're welcome!  :)

Close, but not quite.  Carbon 14 is always decaying, whether an organism is alive or dead.  However, as organisms eat organic material, the carbon 14 is replenished and the carbon to carbon 14 ratio stays pretty much constant.  When the organism dies and stops taking in organic material, then the carbon 14 is not replenished and the carbon to carbon 14 ratio begins to change.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2013, 05:12:51 PM »

Cannot believe I'm debating with a road worker. Seriesly I'm one of the most intelligent minds in Europe (next to Sandokan but not surpassing him of course), and here I am being asked by a roadworker to 'do stuff for his mental security'.
Dear, you're rather angry and bitter, aren't you?  You seem a bit arrogant as well, if I'm honest.  "I'm one of the most intelligent people in Europe, but nobody believes me because of the world's most widespread and successful conspiracy ever, which there can be no proof against."  Perhaps a better facade is in order for your trolling, EJ.

Also, do me a kindness and tell me where I used the phrase 'mental security' at all in my post.  This is for fun, if you turn out to be right and you get a paper past a group of qualified individuals without it being torn to shreds or you show even the slightest proof of a conspiracy, I'll be among the first to join your championing of the flat Earth.

Will you go insane if we don't bother proving FET to you? Or are you going insane now because you are oscilating between FET & your own indoctrinated beliefs? You appear to be struggling with sanity, as the weight of doubt is crushing your logic into a fine useless ..... dust.
Because I'm a roadworker?  I'm sincerely confused, here, what makes you doubt my relative sanity?

~I want YOU to prove RET to ME, roadworker. No cheating, use the same resources us FETruthers have at everyone's disposal. That will convince me you're not a lying punk on too much drugs & steroids supported by govt. welfare for the condition you lie to the innocent tax paying good folk out there.
Okay.  Take a flight to Patagonia, or perhaps you'd be more comfortable in southern Australia, on your next vacation, and look south.  You'll see the sky acting exactly as it does when you look north, north of the equator.

Not good enough?  There's always the Cavendish experiment, demonstrating mass attraction.  Your side claims to have evidence against it in the form of a long and wordy paper, but whenever I've offered to look at it if the paper were given a dedicated thread, none has popped up.

Want another?  Maps based on a globe work, while maps laid flat have significant distortions in distances.  There has not been one accurate flat map that accounts for all discrepancies, while a globe does so rather well.  These are just a few off the top of my head, mind, if you want more I'd be happy to continue this in PM or a new thread you create with this as the topic.

~You have a lot of spare time. It's good you can find 'entertainment'. But why would I bother with someone who's here to have fun? This isn't the disco, kid. Go to a strip bar, or get your kicks elsehow. Don't waste my time doing it. I'm a serious researcher.
I'm sorry roadwork in the midwest is a seasonal thing, and that I was injured rather severely earlier this year.  Didn't realize you had a grudge against seasonal union workers and the temporarily disabled, looking to do their best to educate when they have time and have a bit of fun along with it.

~You can't "input" lacking data.
A train leaves a city at seventy miles per hour and remains heading east, and remains that speed until it arrives at its destination.  This is the input, tell me when it arrives in Boston if the data isn't lacking.

That doesn't even make any sense, at all!! What 'false data' have I inputed? Link me, or bother me no more with your tripe accusations.
I said lacking or false.  I didn't mean you necessarily started from a false premise, for all I know you started from the question of 'What shape is the Earth?'  But, since i have no way of knowing, the bit about inputting false data is simply to drive the point home that a small error in data, be it by omission or incorrect information, can affect the results drastically.

~I have no reason to be skeptical about FET. I believed it as soon as I heard it. It's the perfect world shape geography for me, and nature. Makes sense, and feels right. What else is there to say?
Which is why every other object on a cosmic scale in the universe is roughly spherical, of course.  Makes perfect sense, flat is nature's preferred shape, but nothing but the Earth is flat.  Would you care to tell me in PM or another thread how the Earth came to be flat, why this is nature's preferred shape?  I've asked before, and the response I got was, effectively, We don't know, it just is.

What makes you think people have 'no reason' to be skeptical about RET? If you'd know some history, you'd know Flat Earth is the dominant worldview for a long long time.
Here, allow me to direct you to a discussion I had with Gotham on this point.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,60016.msg1547438.html#msg1547438

Your RET nonsense only recently began being peddled in heretic humanist schools, after the Socialist Revolutions that began in Europe's great Christian Empires. Few centuries ago!
So, we're ignoring the Arabic, Indian, and Greek mathematicians and philosophers for this point?  You know, the people who gave us everything from basic arithmetic, to the number zero, to algebra?  Who agreed in some capacity that the Earth was round?  We're just kind of throwing that part of history out the window?

~Irregardless of any unproven theories like Darwinism or RET that are peddled in school by the propagandist lying scientist cliques, FACT IS FACT. I don't have reasons to seriously consider a fictitious theory like RET. There's nothing about it that makes sense, it's just hocus pocus!!
I would first like to point out that you claim to be among the most intelligent minds in Europe, but use the word irregardless when regardless would suffice.  You're making my case for me.

I would like to continue by stating, that you have a rather obvious and rather powerful bias against modern science, and the scientists who proliferate it.  This makes your case that you are indeed a skeptic a bit harder to defend, because skeptics doesn't care about the source so long as the data is empirically proven.

~Sandokhan actually uses science and facts. Maybe you are the one who should be studying his posts. In fact try disproving them, see if your roadworking magic can do any such wonder. If you can disprove any of Sandokhan's posts, I'll give you a chance to convince me of your foolish RET baloonery.
Sandokhan is rather well renowned on this site for his long and ranting copy pastas.  Their content is irrelevant to this end regardless of what you think of them, my point was the refutation that I copy and pasted anything in my reply, while presenting an example to you in the form of Sandokhan.  If you can show me where it appears I copied anything from another source in either of my two previous posts, I'd be happy to hear it out.  Instead you seem to want to jump from topic to topic.

You're welcome!  :)
Well, thank you in post, I suppose.  It's not terribly well deserved, considering you've contributed literally nothing to the topic of this thread.  I'll ask again since I'm already here, does anyone have any contradictions in the standard model of the Earth's shape?  If you don't have an account but have a discrepancy, it's free to register, and your two cents would be appreciated if only so that we might correct misunderstandings that may be prevalent in this community.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2013, 05:45:20 PM »
1.RE'ers tend to just ignore facts.
Which "facts" are you referring to?

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2013, 07:54:49 PM »

Also, do me a kindness and tell me where I used the phrase 'mental security' at all in my post.  This is for fun, if you turn out to be right and you get a paper past a group of qualified individuals without it being torn to shreds or you show even the slightest proof of a conspiracy, I'll be among the first to join your championing of the flat Earth.
Who says I want losers on my side? Who says I'd let some roadworker join me? Who says I need approval from the monkeys the Consporacy calls "qualified"? They have zero talent and a piece of paper. A piece of flat paper...like the Earth is. Which you've yet to disprove.
Why would you want to be on my side? Is that what you're hoping to achieve? To ride on my glory? RET famewhores don't impress me in the leastest.
Irregardless of what you used, it's obvious you want the mental security of a safety net RET to comfort you that 'there is no FET monsters' out there. Flat Earth Theory flat out scares you. Pun intendid.
So you latch unto secure  sane individuals who know of the Earth's Flatness and hope to drink of our wisdom and provide narrow minded imps not much unlike yourself, with the 'security' and false safety sensation. You can't stand all the doubt we are creating, disrupting all your peaceful little RET minds cracking and tumbling and waving like a story sea shaken by the FET Superstorm, can you?  :P

FET terrifies you. The Unknown scares you to death. So you keep working that street making it flat as the world is, unaware you are an embarassment to yourself. For denying what's in front of your very eyes, every single day.
Chose life. Chose a career. Chose a big screen television. Bla bla.
I chose not to chose. Who needs choices when you have FET?>!!?!?!?


Want another?  Maps based on a globe work, while maps laid flat have significant distortions in distances.  There has not been one accurate flat map that accounts for all discrepancies, while a globe does so rather well.  These are just a few off the top of my head, mind, if you want more I'd be happy to continue this in PM or a new thread you create with this as the topic.
Globe maps are based on Flat Earth maps. Read my Flat Earth map applied on a globe surface for easier accesibility explanation below:...
What 'discrepancies' ?
I'm sorry roadwork in the midwest is a seasonal thing, and that I was injured rather severely earlier this year.  Didn't realize you had a grudge against seasonal union workers and the temporarily disabled, looking to do their best to educate when they have time and have a bit of fun along with it.
You are not educating anyone. Because you are not fooling anyone.

Apology accepted you handicapable hero you. Go, GO SAVE THE WORLDZ!!
A train leaves a city at seventy miles per hour and remains heading east, and remains that speed until it arrives at its destination.  This is the input, tell me when it arrives in Boston if the data isn't lacking.
You can't know when it arrives in Boston because it's heading east. East is where the sun appears to rise from, moving the hour zones, because your "time" factor is utterly relative here. You can't use bendy light to measure time properly, you disjointed magician!
If the train is going east at the same speed you claim is the Earth's "rotating" east at, then it would arrive faster than it should on that same distance, appearing to go at more than 70mph, because going east across the time zones to an "earlier time" will make it seem like it's going back in time or travelling much faster. Creating the illusion of time distortion because time loses an hour each time to cross a time zone going east.
Basic logic, don't even need your fake "time" or maps or your fake RET "data" to answer.
I said lacking or false.  I didn't mean you necessarily started from a false premise, for all I know you started from the question of 'What shape is the Earth?'  But, since i have no way of knowing, the bit about inputting false data is simply to drive the point home that a small error in data, be it by omission or incorrect information, can affect the results drastically.
Blablablablablaspamcopypastawithstupidjuice
Which is why every other object on a cosmic scale in the universe is roughly spherical, of course.  Makes perfect sense, flat is nature's preferred shape, but nothing but the Earth is flat.  Would you care to tell me in PM or another thread how the Earth came to be flat, why this is nature's preferred shape?  I've asked before, and the response I got was, effectively, We don't know, it just is.
Name one object on a cosmic scale that you can prove is ball like. Instead of flat.
We're not talking "sense" and "makes perfect sense in some general wide halfarsed assumption" has no place in a logical argument, kid.
You cannot say : |makes perfect sense| about anything, without proper experimentation. You're throwing stuff out there, pulling conclusions like magic tricks from your sleeves using false premises. On what objective proof do you "make perfect sense" that any object on cosmic scale is spherical and not flat? Or even that all of them are the way you "make sense of them" to be?
We don't need your sense of sense. We don't need your "make of sense" either. That's your personal belief which we do not share. Pancakes are flat. Galaxies look flat. The Milky Way looks circular like the Edge of the Flat Earth.
Makes Perfect Sense the Earth is just the same. And every other celestial body up there.  :P
I don't need a PM for that. Read "Flat Sky Theory" in this thread I just posted awhile back.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,60415.0.html

Here, allow me to direct you to a discussion I had with Gotham on this point.
No, thank you. My patience is already stretched out with your illogical irregardlessness of illogic.
It's good you're poor. The flat world would be even worse if people like you were rich.
So, we're ignoring the Arabic, Indian, and Greek mathematicians and philosophers for this point?  You know, the people who gave us everything from basic arithmetic, to the number zero, to algebra?  Who agreed in some capacity that the Earth was round?  We're just kind of throwing that part of history out the window?
History is mostly fake(d). Read New Chronology, start with Sandokhan's.
Arabic, Indian is copied from Nordic Viking conquers of the Arian faith. Their culture is celtic-nordic. I've proven this years ago. I can do it again.
There is no "greek". Hellenic geeks were dominated by the nordic world, which was Germanic. The proper word is not "greek" but GERMANIK. The Hellenic language is proto-germanic. Hera was a title like "Herr" (master-lord), originally used as Herra (The Mistress). Heroes was originally "Herroes" in Germanik-Hellenic. From the "Herr" or "master" root. As heroes were rewarded by noble / lord titles in Europe by Herra the Queen of the Hellenic world of an Era.
I don't care about your crapgebra.
Any number added to any number adds up to 1. 45+88 = 1. X+Y=1. They will often equal one, because adding something, anything together, creates a "whole". In german "heil". Heil = 1. 1 is the symbol of wholeness, and you obtain by any addition. Or by Blitzkrieg: SIEG HEIL!!
Your misinterpretation of numbers is a disgrace. Math is an occult art of the Magi, Zoroastrians who knew the secrets of numbers. In fact numbers themselves are secrets by nature, their true purpose is not mathematical but mystical. I can prove this, I've found countless occult meanings that prove math doesn't exist. It's just a theoretical exercise in codes and occult numerology. What would a road worker know about this? You're not even an occultist, m8. 0 isn't a number it's a non-number. A symbol of an empty space that can be filled with any other value. 0 is a lot like your intelligence. Void.

Who 'agreed' in what 'capacity' on the Earth's shape now? And how does that concern me? What about the countless who agreed in overwhelming capacity to the Earth's Flatness? Why is their knowledge disputed by your fine sloth?
Some idiots just thought up the RET as a mental exercise, to prove to people the Earth is Flat. Because of how stupid the idea of living on a ball is, that everyone with a mind got the joke.  :D
RET was used as an exercise to prove FET, by showing everything in nature points to FET, but not to RET. It's a classic proof by comparisson to an obviously impossible setting.
You're pulling RET believers in "history" out of your round ass. Try linking some actual credible sources with EVIDENCE of people taking the RET seriously.
And no, globes don't prove RET, it proves FET people preffered a detailed map of the Flat Earth that was mobile and could be spinned and kept somewhere on display, since it's too complicated to work with a FE map that's stuck on a wall, or trapped on a table. So to study the Flat Earth in sections, they folded the FE map on globes to view it easier from afar. This helps with geography. They still knew it was flat, and the bottom side was the Edge of the World, which is why they added the "Hereth bee Monsturs". As an inside joke. Which you have now becomed.
I would first like to point out that you claim to be among the most intelligent minds in Europe, but use the word irregardless when regardless would suffice.  You're making my case for me.
Irregardless. Regardless isn't a word, it's a contradiction. How can you be 'without regard' if regard itself is an action? A non-action makes no sense. The non-action of 'not regarding' written as "regard-less" would imply a regard. Yet a true regard in french means to view something, originally imported into english. Regard makes sense. Disregard makes sense. Regardless makes NO SENSE!! It's a paradox of saying "Thinkless" about anything. Or "Doless". I see no logic with this non-word "regardless", and it shouldn't be written or overused by so many primitives.
Without regards to, disregarding, not regarding ... these are expressions or words that make sense.
Regardless makes less sense than naught, therefore Irregardless makes sense, since it's a denial of said impossible paradox. A regard which is less, or not acted out, is no regard at all! It's a self denial of the most crass idiotic possible nature! It was carved out from Stupid with an intangible Spork by an invisible elephant in the pink room.

"Regardless" cannot exist, because there is no regard to name or mention if you don't actually do it. Because to regard is a verb. And a regard (view or sight or gaze or look from french), is a noun. These don't exist without a subject. They cannot be without existing! It's like saying "lookless". Which in all actuality should mean "blind". So regardless should also mean blind, if it has to be an "actual word".

Irregardless denies the "regardless" non-word. As a denial of the denial of "regard". A denial of a denial is real, so irregardless means 'regarding'. Do use dictionary for this, I can't be bothered to babysit maroons.
I would like to continue by stating, that you have a rather obvious and rather powerful bias against modern science, and the scientists who proliferate it.  This makes your case that you are indeed a skeptic a bit harder to defend, because skeptics doesn't care about the source so long as the data is empirically proven.
Thank you.
A true skeptic is skeptic about scientists as well. As well as the data. And no data has been proven. Empirically or otherflap. Now shut your trap about this "data" you fail to offer us, of RET. You have NONE.

Sandokhan is awesome.
Is all I read from your boring rant. Am in agreeance.

I'll ask again since I'm already here, does anyone have any contradictions in the standard model of the Earth's shape?  If you don't have an account but have a discrepancy, it's free to register, and your two cents would be appreciated if only so that we might correct misunderstandings that may be prevalent in this community.

Yes. What is the standard model of the Earth's shape? Who are you a commoner to dictate to everyone else on this Flat Earth, what the "standard model" is? Your infectious parasitic delusions belong in your own head, and in scifi books.

I do not care what you think the Earth looks like. THERE IS NO STANDARD MODEL you lying reptile.
No one ever even proved RET true, and no one ever accepted it as the "standard model". Those two words have no place in a real scientific debate.

WE ARE NOT DEBATING HISTORY AND THE PAST HERE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S OPINIONS!! I HAVE MY OWN!


Now listen, peon. Since there obviously is no standard model, since we've yet to finish proving the FET to everyone, FET is still one of the best realistic worldviews.

RET isn't a worldview it's a myth. A mass delusion of idiots. And tennis players who have balls on their heads or in their minds.

Spit out those tenis balls and look at the playing field, which is FLAT!! As the Earth itself.
You are asking the question wrong, you blind liar. You should be asking : "What is the standard accepted model for the Earth's shape?".

And to that I answer you: |"Flatness".

I don't care what your opinions think about RET or about "standard model", or anyone else's who doesn't grasp the FET yet is ignorant and lazy enough to join the Flat Earth Society forum only to bore us with your repetitive lies, instead of LEARNING ABOUT THE TRUTHNESS.

Now, answer this. What made you think the "RET" is a "standard model"? For .. anything?! Hmmm.. well RET is an assumption of the uneducated ignorant masses who are too unthinking, lazy and antiscience to realize how plain wrong they are. They're flat out wrong end so ar iu.  :P

This thread doesn't say "What are the contradictions in the STANDARD MODEL OF EARTHNESS!?" it says what are contradictions in the RE THEORY. And I've said mine, if you weren't lazy to read.

RE terrorists behaviour for one, which you've failed to explain, Trick Turner. Relation to Tina?  :-\

And I didn't ask in particular "why do you do these things". I asked why do so many RETerrorists perform the same act of pathetically hoping to use a fake theory (RE) to distract us from Flat Earth Truth? It's not working, and we know you know the Earth is flat. You're just afraid to admit it, because your nanny state will stop paying you welfare.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2013, 10:04:48 PM »
Wow Silverdane, for all that typing you don't really say much.

Being a psychopath means I have no hesitation in killing you.  If you keep running your trap.
That sounds like a threat, albeit a hollow threat most likely. 


Seriesly I'm one of the most intelligent minds in Europe
I doubt it.  Your punctuation is terrible and you misspelled 'seriously'.


Irregardless. Regardless isn't a word, it's a contradiction...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irregardless

"Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so."

A blunder.  Perhaps you and 'irregardless' do have something in common.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2013, 11:34:20 PM »

Also, do me a kindness and tell me where I used the phrase 'mental security' at all in my post.  This is for fun, if you turn out to be right and you get a paper past a group of qualified individuals without it being torn to shreds or you show even the slightest proof of a conspiracy, I'll be among the first to join your championing of the flat Earth.
Who says I want losers on my side? Who says I'd let some roadworker join me? Who says I need approval from the monkeys the Consporacy calls "qualified"? They have zero talent and a piece of paper. A piece of flat paper...like the Earth is. Which you've yet to disprove.
Why would you want to be on my side? Is that what you're hoping to achieve? To ride on my glory? RET famewhores don't impress me in the leastest.
Irregardless of what you used, it's obvious you want the mental security of a safety net RET to comfort you that 'there is no FET monsters' out there. Flat Earth Theory flat out scares you. Pun intendid.
So you latch unto secure  sane individuals who know of the Earth's Flatness and hope to drink of our wisdom and provide narrow minded imps not much unlike yourself, with the 'security' and false safety sensation. You can't stand all the doubt we are creating, disrupting all your peaceful little RET minds cracking and tumbling and waving like a story sea shaken by the FET Superstorm, can you?  :P

FET terrifies you. The Unknown scares you to death. So you keep working that street making it flat as the world is, unaware you are an embarassment to yourself. For denying what's in front of your very eyes, every single day.
Chose life. Chose a career. Chose a big screen television. Bla bla.
I chose not to chose. Who needs choices when you have FET?>!!?!?!?


Want another?  Maps based on a globe work, while maps laid flat have significant distortions in distances.  There has not been one accurate flat map that accounts for all discrepancies, while a globe does so rather well.  These are just a few off the top of my head, mind, if you want more I'd be happy to continue this in PM or a new thread you create with this as the topic.
Globe maps are based on Flat Earth maps. Read my Flat Earth map applied on a globe surface for easier accesibility explanation below:...
What 'discrepancies' ?
I'm sorry roadwork in the midwest is a seasonal thing, and that I was injured rather severely earlier this year.  Didn't realize you had a grudge against seasonal union workers and the temporarily disabled, looking to do their best to educate when they have time and have a bit of fun along with it.
You are not educating anyone. Because you are not fooling anyone.

Apology accepted you handicapable hero you. Go, GO SAVE THE WORLDZ!!
A train leaves a city at seventy miles per hour and remains heading east, and remains that speed until it arrives at its destination.  This is the input, tell me when it arrives in Boston if the data isn't lacking.
You can't know when it arrives in Boston because it's heading east. East is where the sun appears to rise from, moving the hour zones, because your "time" factor is utterly relative here. You can't use bendy light to measure time properly, you disjointed magician!
If the train is going east at the same speed you claim is the Earth's "rotating" east at, then it would arrive faster than it should on that same distance, appearing to go at more than 70mph, because going east across the time zones to an "earlier time" will make it seem like it's going back in time or travelling much faster. Creating the illusion of time distortion because time loses an hour each time to cross a time zone going east.
Basic logic, don't even need your fake "time" or maps or your fake RET "data" to answer.
I said lacking or false.  I didn't mean you necessarily started from a false premise, for all I know you started from the question of 'What shape is the Earth?'  But, since i have no way of knowing, the bit about inputting false data is simply to drive the point home that a small error in data, be it by omission or incorrect information, can affect the results drastically.
Blablablablablaspamcopypastawithstupidjuice
Which is why every other object on a cosmic scale in the universe is roughly spherical, of course.  Makes perfect sense, flat is nature's preferred shape, but nothing but the Earth is flat.  Would you care to tell me in PM or another thread how the Earth came to be flat, why this is nature's preferred shape?  I've asked before, and the response I got was, effectively, We don't know, it just is.
Name one object on a cosmic scale that you can prove is ball like. Instead of flat.
We're not talking "sense" and "makes perfect sense in some general wide halfarsed assumption" has no place in a logical argument, kid.
You cannot say : |makes perfect sense| about anything, without proper experimentation. You're throwing stuff out there, pulling conclusions like magic tricks from your sleeves using false premises. On what objective proof do you "make perfect sense" that any object on cosmic scale is spherical and not flat? Or even that all of them are the way you "make sense of them" to be?
We don't need your sense of sense. We don't need your "make of sense" either. That's your personal belief which we do not share. Pancakes are flat. Galaxies look flat. The Milky Way looks circular like the Edge of the Flat Earth.
Makes Perfect Sense the Earth is just the same. And every other celestial body up there.  :P
I don't need a PM for that. Read "Flat Sky Theory" in this thread I just posted awhile back.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,60415.0.html

Here, allow me to direct you to a discussion I had with Gotham on this point.
No, thank you. My patience is already stretched out with your illogical irregardlessness of illogic.
It's good you're poor. The flat world would be even worse if people like you were rich.
So, we're ignoring the Arabic, Indian, and Greek mathematicians and philosophers for this point?  You know, the people who gave us everything from basic arithmetic, to the number zero, to algebra?  Who agreed in some capacity that the Earth was round?  We're just kind of throwing that part of history out the window?
History is mostly fake(d). Read New Chronology, start with Sandokhan's.
Arabic, Indian is copied from Nordic Viking conquers of the Arian faith. Their culture is celtic-nordic. I've proven this years ago. I can do it again.
There is no "greek". Hellenic geeks were dominated by the nordic world, which was Germanic. The proper word is not "greek" but GERMANIK. The Hellenic language is proto-germanic. Hera was a title like "Herr" (master-lord), originally used as Herra (The Mistress). Heroes was originally "Herroes" in Germanik-Hellenic. From the "Herr" or "master" root. As heroes were rewarded by noble / lord titles in Europe by Herra the Queen of the Hellenic world of an Era.
I don't care about your crapgebra.
Any number added to any number adds up to 1. 45+88 = 1. X+Y=1. They will often equal one, because adding something, anything together, creates a "whole". In german "heil". Heil = 1. 1 is the symbol of wholeness, and you obtain by any addition. Or by Blitzkrieg: SIEG HEIL!!
Your misinterpretation of numbers is a disgrace. Math is an occult art of the Magi, Zoroastrians who knew the secrets of numbers. In fact numbers themselves are secrets by nature, their true purpose is not mathematical but mystical. I can prove this, I've found countless occult meanings that prove math doesn't exist. It's just a theoretical exercise in codes and occult numerology. What would a road worker know about this? You're not even an occultist, m8. 0 isn't a number it's a non-number. A symbol of an empty space that can be filled with any other value. 0 is a lot like your intelligence. Void.

Who 'agreed' in what 'capacity' on the Earth's shape now? And how does that concern me? What about the countless who agreed in overwhelming capacity to the Earth's Flatness? Why is their knowledge disputed by your fine sloth?
Some idiots just thought up the RET as a mental exercise, to prove to people the Earth is Flat. Because of how stupid the idea of living on a ball is, that everyone with a mind got the joke.  :D
RET was used as an exercise to prove FET, by showing everything in nature points to FET, but not to RET. It's a classic proof by comparisson to an obviously impossible setting.
You're pulling RET believers in "history" out of your round ass. Try linking some actual credible sources with EVIDENCE of people taking the RET seriously.
And no, globes don't prove RET, it proves FET people preffered a detailed map of the Flat Earth that was mobile and could be spinned and kept somewhere on display, since it's too complicated to work with a FE map that's stuck on a wall, or trapped on a table. So to study the Flat Earth in sections, they folded the FE map on globes to view it easier from afar. This helps with geography. They still knew it was flat, and the bottom side was the Edge of the World, which is why they added the "Hereth bee Monsturs". As an inside joke. Which you have now becomed.
I would first like to point out that you claim to be among the most intelligent minds in Europe, but use the word irregardless when regardless would suffice.  You're making my case for me.
Irregardless. Regardless isn't a word, it's a contradiction. How can you be 'without regard' if regard itself is an action? A non-action makes no sense. The non-action of 'not regarding' written as "regard-less" would imply a regard. Yet a true regard in french means to view something, originally imported into english. Regard makes sense. Disregard makes sense. Regardless makes NO SENSE!! It's a paradox of saying "Thinkless" about anything. Or "Doless". I see no logic with this non-word "regardless", and it shouldn't be written or overused by so many primitives.
Without regards to, disregarding, not regarding ... these are expressions or words that make sense.
Regardless makes less sense than naught, therefore Irregardless makes sense, since it's a denial of said impossible paradox. A regard which is less, or not acted out, is no regard at all! It's a self denial of the most crass idiotic possible nature! It was carved out from Stupid with an intangible Spork by an invisible elephant in the pink room.

"Regardless" cannot exist, because there is no regard to name or mention if you don't actually do it. Because to regard is a verb. And a regard (view or sight or gaze or look from french), is a noun. These don't exist without a subject. They cannot be without existing! It's like saying "lookless". Which in all actuality should mean "blind". So regardless should also mean blind, if it has to be an "actual word".

Irregardless denies the "regardless" non-word. As a denial of the denial of "regard". A denial of a denial is real, so irregardless means 'regarding'. Do use dictionary for this, I can't be bothered to babysit maroons.
I would like to continue by stating, that you have a rather obvious and rather powerful bias against modern science, and the scientists who proliferate it.  This makes your case that you are indeed a skeptic a bit harder to defend, because skeptics doesn't care about the source so long as the data is empirically proven.
Thank you.
A true skeptic is skeptic about scientists as well. As well as the data. And no data has been proven. Empirically or otherflap. Now shut your trap about this "data" you fail to offer us, of RET. You have NONE.

Sandokhan is awesome.
Is all I read from your boring rant. Am in agreeance.

I'll ask again since I'm already here, does anyone have any contradictions in the standard model of the Earth's shape?  If you don't have an account but have a discrepancy, it's free to register, and your two cents would be appreciated if only so that we might correct misunderstandings that may be prevalent in this community.

Yes. What is the standard model of the Earth's shape? Who are you a commoner to dictate to everyone else on this Flat Earth, what the "standard model" is? Your infectious parasitic delusions belong in your own head, and in scifi books.

I do not care what you think the Earth looks like. THERE IS NO STANDARD MODEL you lying reptile.
No one ever even proved RET true, and no one ever accepted it as the "standard model". Those two words have no place in a real scientific debate.

WE ARE NOT DEBATING HISTORY AND THE PAST HERE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S OPINIONS!! I HAVE MY OWN!


Now listen, peon. Since there obviously is no standard model, since we've yet to finish proving the FET to everyone, FET is still one of the best realistic worldviews.

RET isn't a worldview it's a myth. A mass delusion of idiots. And tennis players who have balls on their heads or in their minds.

Spit out those tenis balls and look at the playing field, which is FLAT!! As the Earth itself.
You are asking the question wrong, you blind liar. You should be asking : "What is the standard accepted model for the Earth's shape?".

And to that I answer you: |"Flatness".

I don't care what your opinions think about RET or about "standard model", or anyone else's who doesn't grasp the FET yet is ignorant and lazy enough to join the Flat Earth Society forum only to bore us with your repetitive lies, instead of LEARNING ABOUT THE TRUTHNESS.

Now, answer this. What made you think the "RET" is a "standard model"? For .. anything?! Hmmm.. well RET is an assumption of the uneducated ignorant masses who are too unthinking, lazy and antiscience to realize how plain wrong they are. They're flat out wrong end so ar iu.  :P

This thread doesn't say "What are the contradictions in the STANDARD MODEL OF EARTHNESS!?" it says what are contradictions in the RE THEORY. And I've said mine, if you weren't lazy to read.

RE terrorists behaviour for one, which you've failed to explain, Trick Turner. Relation to Tina?  :-\

And I didn't ask in particular "why do you do these things". I asked why do so many RETerrorists perform the same act of pathetically hoping to use a fake theory (RE) to distract us from Flat Earth Truth? It's not working, and we know you know the Earth is flat. You're just afraid to admit it, because your nanny state will stop paying you welfare.

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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2013, 02:19:23 PM »
I would like to hear RErs explain why the Earth is tilted.  Seems to me that gravity would not allow for such a tilt.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2013, 03:16:10 PM »
Why would a spinning object not be allowed to have a tilt?  What does gravity have to do with the tilt?  I would really like to know the correlation between gravity and tilt.

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Re: 23.5 degree TILT-A-WHIRL
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2013, 03:39:56 PM »
I would like to hear RErs explain why the Earth is tilted.  Seems to me that gravity would not allow for such a tilt.

That's like saying that magnetism would not allow for grass to be green...
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"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

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Re: 23.5 degree TILT-A-WHIRL
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2013, 03:17:03 AM »
I would like to hear RErs explain why the Earth is tilted.  Seems to me that gravity would not allow for such a tilt.
It's only "tilted" compared to it's orbit around the Sun.
If the Earth wasn't orbiting anything there would be no way to tell how much or whether there even was a tilt. It's just that the earths axis of rotation is not perfectly aligned with it's orbit around the sun.

Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2013, 07:00:53 AM »
Why would a spinning object not be allowed to have a tilt?  What does gravity have to do with the tilt?  I would really like to know the correlation between gravity and tilt.
The sun's gravitational pull on the Earth.  As it rotates around the sun, you would think that would have an affect on each hemisphere in a particular season, like "pulling" the land mass closer to the particular pole.

That's like saying that magnetism would not allow for grass to be green...
Unnecessary comment.  Besides that, it makes no sense.

It's only "tilted" compared to it's orbit around the Sun.
If the Earth wasn't orbiting anything there would be no way to tell how much or whether there even was a tilt. It's just that the earths axis of rotation is not perfectly aligned with it's orbit around the sun.
Ah ok, so we are supposed to believe that the Earth is spinning and orbiting but the sun just sits there, even though it's enormous size would indicate it should be moving (through space).
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2013, 07:37:07 AM »
Why would a spinning object not be allowed to have a tilt?  What does gravity have to do with the tilt?  I would really like to know the correlation between gravity and tilt.
The sun's gravitational pull on the Earth.  As it rotates around the sun, you would think that would have an affect on each hemisphere in a particular season, like "pulling" the land mass closer to the particular pole.
Well it doesn't, earth is close to a perfect sphere.
That's like saying that magnetism would not allow for grass to be green...
Unnecessary comment.  Besides that, it makes no sense.
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It's only "tilted" compared to it's orbit around the Sun.
If the Earth wasn't orbiting anything there would be no way to tell how much or whether there even was a tilt. It's just that the earths axis of rotation is not perfectly aligned with it's orbit around the sun.
Ah ok, so we are supposed to believe that the Earth is spinning and orbiting but the sun just sits there, even though it's enormous size would indicate it should be moving (through space).
Where did I mention anything about the sun jus sitting there. Why would it's large size make It move?

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2013, 08:19:29 AM »
Why would a spinning object not be allowed to have a tilt?  What does gravity have to do with the tilt?  I would really like to know the correlation between gravity and tilt.
The sun's gravitational pull on the Earth.  As it rotates around the sun, you would think that would have an affect on each hemisphere in a particular season, like "pulling" the land mass closer to the particular pole.
No, it's far more likely that the earth's tilt is due to the way it was formed.  The constant bombardment from large chunks of matter at off center angles could easily impart a tilted rotational axis.

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That's like saying that magnetism would not allow for grass to be green...
Unnecessary comment.  Besides that, it makes no sense.
Yes, he was trying to emphasize that your premise about he earth's tilt doesn't make any sense either.

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It's only "tilted" compared to it's orbit around the Sun.
If the Earth wasn't orbiting anything there would be no way to tell how much or whether there even was a tilt. It's just that the earths axis of rotation is not perfectly aligned with it's orbit around the sun.
Ah ok, so we are supposed to believe that the Earth is spinning and orbiting but the sun just sits there, even though it's enormous size would indicate it should be moving (through space).
Actually, according to RET, the sun (along with the rest of the solar system) is moving.  It's moving along with the rest of the western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy as it rotates once every 230 million years or so.  The Milky Way is in turn moving with the rest of the expanding universe.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2013, 01:37:41 PM »
Actually, according to RET, the sun (along with the rest of the solar system) is moving.  It's moving along with the rest of the western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy as it rotates once every 230 million years or so.  The Milky Way is in turn moving with the rest of the expanding universe.
HAHAHAHA! Like any of us could possibly know that!  230 million years !  Why even say stuff like that, it's meaningless.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2013, 01:49:57 PM »
That's like saying that magnetism would not allow for grass to be green...
Unnecessary comment.  Besides that, it makes no sense.

Precisely!
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...the FE'ers still found a way to deny it. Not with counter arguments. Not with proof of any kind. By simply denying it.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2013, 04:31:47 PM »
Actually, according to RET, the sun (along with the rest of the solar system) is moving.  It's moving along with the rest of the western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy as it rotates once every 230 million years or so.  The Milky Way is in turn moving with the rest of the expanding universe.
HAHAHAHA! Like any of us could possibly know that!  230 million years !  Why even say stuff like that, it's meaningless.
If your mind is too small to understand it, then that's your problem, not mine.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2013, 06:07:13 PM »
Actually, according to RET, the sun (along with the rest of the solar system) is moving.  It's moving along with the rest of the western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy as it rotates once every 230 million years or so.  The Milky Way is in turn moving with the rest of the expanding universe.
HAHAHAHA! Like any of us could possibly know that!  230 million years !  Why even say stuff like that, it's meaningless.
We know the size of the galaxy from stellar parallax and things like Cepheid variables. We also know are speed compared to the centre of the galaxy from red shift and stellar aberration.

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Re: RET contradictions?
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2013, 11:21:22 AM »