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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1770 on: October 28, 2013, 10:13:41 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
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« Reply #1771 on: October 28, 2013, 10:14:32 AM »
Scepti, you could try visiting a science museum with one of the pendulums and sit in front of the pendulum for an hour and mark its starting and ending positions.  Also note the layout of the room before and after. If the room were moving, the entrance and exit would be in different areas from the start to the finish of your observation.
What I'm saying, is, how do I know it's not the pendulum doing the movement around. If the earth spins and the room spins with it, then I'm naturally going to be sitting in the exact same spot with the exact same decor around me, except for a pendulum that moved to my view, whilst everything else stayed still.

If I'm wrong here, then explain to me where I'm going wrong, because I just do not see how a person can perceive whether it's them and the room moving around, or the actual weight on a string doing a back and forth movement with a slight deviation on each swing.
So how can I directly prove it not to be that?
I guess I'm missing your point.  I assumed you were talking about the room being physically spun on like a turntable instead of the pendulum turning.  If that is what you were referring to, sitting in one spot or marking exactly your location in the room so you could make repeat measurements easily would help you find out whether the room or pendulum is turning.  If the entrance and exit to the room remain in the same spot relative to your vantage point, the room didn't spin.
Ok. We go into the building and we see the pendulum. I sit there in one spot and I see the pendulum moving around the area it's moving over.
I do not perceive that I'm actually moving around.
My eyes observe the weight going backwards and forwards and moving around the circular area it's above.

So what I'm saying is...how can it be proved that it's not the actual pendulum moving, when it's as clear as day it is...to my vision.
Take a pendulum in a place where you can turn it's base and see what happens. You dismissed the video shown by Airbus, I understand, they are part of the conspiracy, but you can try by yourself with a little one, in your car by example, will you?.  Let's see.

By the way every aircraft uses a gyroscope to keep the north direction, whatever turn it makes. It's a direct everyday evidence for any private pilot.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1772 on: October 28, 2013, 10:37:38 AM »
If the room is attached to a building, such as being part of a science museum, then the doors connecting to the room would need to be in the same spot at all times.  This fact would mean that they would have moved relative to your observation point of the room were turning instead of the pendulum.
No door is going to move from where I'm sitting. Are you being serious?

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1773 on: October 28, 2013, 10:43:44 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.

It's an entirely sensible task, demonstrating that Pendulums operate independently of outside rotational force. So's making your own pendulum at home to let run for a few hours. You refused to do that, too.

As for confirming that a pendulum is not being moved by some means, the rigs involved in the demonstrations always have visible attachment points. Verify for yourself that the damn thing isn't being turned by an outside force.

This is what I meant in the other thread about you seeming scared of testing.
Who's talking about it being turned by an outside force?

It only needs to be slightly magnetic with all the points it passes over to be magnetic to nudge it around very slowly. How would anyone know?

If not, the other reason could be the slight pull of the magnetic sun in the circle of earth having an effect of the pendulum.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1774 on: October 28, 2013, 10:44:35 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1775 on: October 28, 2013, 10:46:07 AM »
If the room is attached to a building, such as being part of a science museum, then the doors connecting to the room would need to be in the same spot at all times.  This fact would mean that they would have moved relative to your observation point of the room were turning instead of the pendulum.
No door is going to move from where I'm sitting. Are you being serious?
Then the room would be stationary and that would mean the pendulum is indeed turning.  Problem solved.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1776 on: October 28, 2013, 10:46:48 AM »
Scepti, you could try visiting a science museum with one of the pendulums and sit in front of the pendulum for an hour and mark its starting and ending positions.  Also note the layout of the room before and after. If the room were moving, the entrance and exit would be in different areas from the start to the finish of your observation.
What I'm saying, is, how do I know it's not the pendulum doing the movement around. If the earth spins and the room spins with it, then I'm naturally going to be sitting in the exact same spot with the exact same decor around me, except for a pendulum that moved to my view, whilst everything else stayed still.

If I'm wrong here, then explain to me where I'm going wrong, because I just do not see how a person can perceive whether it's them and the room moving around, or the actual weight on a string doing a back and forth movement with a slight deviation on each swing.
So how can I directly prove it not to be that?
I guess I'm missing your point.  I assumed you were talking about the room being physically spun on like a turntable instead of the pendulum turning.  If that is what you were referring to, sitting in one spot or marking exactly your location in the room so you could make repeat measurements easily would help you find out whether the room or pendulum is turning.  If the entrance and exit to the room remain in the same spot relative to your vantage point, the room didn't spin.
Ok. We go into the building and we see the pendulum. I sit there in one spot and I see the pendulum moving around the area it's moving over.
I do not perceive that I'm actually moving around.
My eyes observe the weight going backwards and forwards and moving around the circular area it's above.

So what I'm saying is...how can it be proved that it's not the actual pendulum moving, when it's as clear as day it is...to my vision.
Take a pendulum in a place where you can turn it's base and see what happens. You dismissed the video shown by Airbus, I understand, they are part of the conspiracy, but you can try by yourself with a little one, in your car by example, will you?.  Let's see.

By the way every aircraft uses a gyroscope to keep the north direction, whatever turn it makes. It's a direct everyday evidence for any private pilot.
Can I do this experiment on my kitchen table?

If I can, tell me what will work that you have proven to work and I will set one up. Do the experiment and post the results, with honesty.
Tell me exactly what I should do, so we are under no illusions about it not being performed correctly.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1777 on: October 28, 2013, 10:47:57 AM »
If the room is attached to a building, such as being part of a science museum, then the doors connecting to the room would need to be in the same spot at all times.  This fact would mean that they would have moved relative to your observation point of the room were turning instead of the pendulum.
No door is going to move from where I'm sitting. Are you being serious?
Then the room would be stationary and that would mean the pendulum is indeed turning.  Problem solved.
I have a feeling the we are on crossed wires here, Duck.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1778 on: October 28, 2013, 11:20:31 AM »
If the room is attached to a building, such as being part of a science museum, then the doors connecting to the room would need to be in the same spot at all times.  This fact would mean that they would have moved relative to your observation point of the room were turning instead of the pendulum.
No door is going to move from where I'm sitting. Are you being serious?
Then the room would be stationary and that would mean the pendulum is indeed turning.  Problem solved.
I have a feeling the we are on crossed wires here, Duck.
Must be.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1779 on: October 28, 2013, 12:35:19 PM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1780 on: October 28, 2013, 01:19:25 PM »
If you are so concerned about pendulums being faked with magnets or whatever then DO IT YOURSELF. Then you know that it wasn't messed with.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1781 on: October 28, 2013, 01:23:43 PM »
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If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.

It's an entirely sensible task, demonstrating that Pendulums operate independently of outside rotational force. So's making your own pendulum at home to let run for a few hours. You refused to do that, too.

As for confirming that a pendulum is not being moved by some means, the rigs involved in the demonstrations always have visible attachment points. Verify for yourself that the damn thing isn't being turned by an outside force.

This is what I meant in the other thread about you seeming scared of testing.
Who's talking about it being turned by an outside force?

No one. We are talking about it NOT being turned by an outside force.

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It only needs to be slightly magnetic with all the points it passes over to be magnetic to nudge it around very slowly. How would anyone know?

You would, because you'd be making the Pendulum setup. And you could use a wooden or non-magnetic pendulum.

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If not, the other reason could be the slight pull of the magnetic sun in the circle of earth having an effect of the pendulum.

Which would cause the magnet to drift towards that alignment, and then stick there. What the pendulum does is rotate a full circle over the course of a day, as it maintains an alignment as its surroundings shift.

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« Reply #1782 on: October 28, 2013, 05:41:06 PM »
Scepti, you could try visiting a science museum with one of the pendulums and sit in front of the pendulum for an hour and mark its starting and ending positions.  Also note the layout of the room before and after. If the room were moving, the entrance and exit would be in different areas from the start to the finish of your observation.
What I'm saying, is, how do I know it's not the pendulum doing the movement around. If the earth spins and the room spins with it, then I'm naturally going to be sitting in the exact same spot with the exact same decor around me, except for a pendulum that moved to my view, whilst everything else stayed still.

If I'm wrong here, then explain to me where I'm going wrong, because I just do not see how a person can perceive whether it's them and the room moving around, or the actual weight on a string doing a back and forth movement with a slight deviation on each swing.
So how can I directly prove it not to be that?
I guess I'm missing your point.  I assumed you were talking about the room being physically spun on like a turntable instead of the pendulum turning.  If that is what you were referring to, sitting in one spot or marking exactly your location in the room so you could make repeat measurements easily would help you find out whether the room or pendulum is turning.  If the entrance and exit to the room remain in the same spot relative to your vantage point, the room didn't spin.
Ok. We go into the building and we see the pendulum. I sit there in one spot and I see the pendulum moving around the area it's moving over.
I do not perceive that I'm actually moving around.
My eyes observe the weight going backwards and forwards and moving around the circular area it's above.

So what I'm saying is...how can it be proved that it's not the actual pendulum moving, when it's as clear as day it is...to my vision.
You could make your own pendulem and film it.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1784 on: October 29, 2013, 03:46:55 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.

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« Reply #1785 on: October 29, 2013, 05:52:14 AM »
Have you hear of the Monty hall problem before Sceptimatic, it shows us how intuition and common sense can often give the wrong answers.

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« Reply #1786 on: October 29, 2013, 07:56:57 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1787 on: October 29, 2013, 10:27:37 AM »
Have you hear of the Monty hall problem before Sceptimatic, it shows us how intuition and common sense can often give the wrong answers.
Yes, I'm well aware that things can and often do defy logic and common sense. I have no problem with that being the case.
Most of the things that do defy logic and common sense are those things that are first glanced and mulled over for a short period of time, until the bigger picture appears.

Where earth is concerned, I can imagine that all of us are barking up the wrong tree on quite a lot of the things that happen, which is the reason why I go right back to basics and piece stuff together from there. It's like re-writing our history and I'd rather do that, than do any more following of what I've had hammered into my brain for long enough which made less and less sense the longer it went on, to the point, I just said, STOP...no more.

That's my stance and until I'm happy to accept the alternative, it will stay my stance.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1788 on: October 29, 2013, 10:32:56 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?

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« Reply #1789 on: October 29, 2013, 11:03:36 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?

The answer to that should be obvious. Think about it for a minute.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1790 on: October 29, 2013, 11:08:15 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?

The answer to that should be obvious. Think about it for a minute.
I have thought about it and I can't think why it would work any other way to prove a rotating earth, other than for the experiment to be done at your north and south pole as we are told it is.

If not, just explain simply why I'm wrong.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1791 on: October 29, 2013, 12:54:07 PM »
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?
You would get the maximum effect at the north or south pole, but there is still an effect (albeit, a diminished one) at other latitudes (except near the equator).  Again, this can be tested.  Measure the effect on a turntable (which would represent the north pole) and again in a car or van making different sized circles (which would represent different latitudes).
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« Reply #1792 on: October 29, 2013, 03:34:33 PM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?

The answer to that should be obvious. Think about it for a minute.
I have thought about it and I can't think why it would work any other way to prove a rotating earth, other than for the experiment to be done at your north and south pole as we are told it is.

If not, just explain simply why I'm wrong.

Imagine you do it at the north pole, and see the effect. Now what happens if you move 1 mile south? Would the effect just disappear? How about 1 foot south, or one inch? A millimeter? Do you really think it would only happen at EXACTLY the north pole?

Think about how a RE'er would. Why do they say it wouldn't work at the equator? Look this stuff up. Learn about their idea. THEN, you are thinking about it well.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1794 on: October 30, 2013, 07:15:34 PM »
Does nobody understand that the room rotating around a pendulum and a pendulum rotating in the room is the same thing

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SeekerOfTruth

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1795 on: October 30, 2013, 07:48:51 PM »
Does nobody understand that the room rotating around a pendulum and a pendulum rotating in the room is the same thing

I think most people involved in this discussion understand what a reference frame is.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1796 on: October 30, 2013, 07:57:27 PM »
Does nobody understand that the room rotating around a pendulum and a pendulum rotating in the room is the same thing

Please keep your obnoxious posts out of the upper fora.  It doesn't add to your point.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1797 on: October 30, 2013, 08:06:34 PM »
I have another question for you sceptimatic.  I don't think this ever was answered before (if it was I can't find it, or you deleted it ) and since it has to do with your theory and air pressure, I'll ask it again.

A car tire with 35 psi inside at ground level in a 14.7 psi environment. 

You claim the inside and outside of the tire equalize, which would mean 35 psi inside and 35 psi outside. 

If there is a 35 psi layer of air against the outside of the tire, then what physically holds that air at 35 psi since there's nothing between it and the 14.7 psi environment?

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1798 on: October 31, 2013, 01:20:29 AM »
Does nobody understand that the room rotating around a pendulum and a pendulum rotating in the room is the same thing

Deadly wrong. As SeekerOfTruth already suggested, rotating bodies constitute non inertial reference frames. The two scenarios are quite different.
Q: Why do you think the Earth is round?
A: Look out the window!

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sceptimatic

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #1799 on: October 31, 2013, 04:29:23 AM »
If you must perform the experiment yourself, rent a van or a semi truck, set up the pendulum in the back of it, get someone else to drive, and once they're driving at a steady speed, start the pendulum swinging. Then have that person make a gentle turn in either direction. As they turn, the Pendulum will keep moving in the direction it was already swinging, so it will start swinging out of alignment with the van's movement.
Not a very sensible task to be fair, is it.
Why not?  The materials needed are cheap and readily available and a large, empty parking lot would make an ideal location for the experiment.  What's wrong?  Are you afraid of performing an actual experiment and learning something?
What do I use in the parking lot? A sky hook?
Hehowlikespie already told you.  A car, a van or just about any sort of vehicle big enough to mount a decent sized pendulum in.  Seriously, it's not that tough of an experiment to figure out.
I never said it was tough. I just don't see the relevance of it, I really don't.
The relevance is really quite simple.  Do you accept that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force?  That is, do you accept that if you swing a pendulum, that pendulum will swing in the exact same direction unless something forces it to change direction?

If so, then if you mount a pendulum in a car, or even on a turntable of some sort, then what do you suppose will happen to that pendulum's swing if you drive the car in a circle or spin the turntable? 

This is the logic behind Foucault's Pendulum.  Ponder that for a while.  Or, better yet, give it a try.  It might just change your world.
Let's get a grip on this pendulum.
The way I see it is...it should only work if you swing the pendulum at your north and south poles. Obviously I must be wrong...but why am I wrong?

The answer to that should be obvious. Think about it for a minute.
I have thought about it and I can't think why it would work any other way to prove a rotating earth, other than for the experiment to be done at your north and south pole as we are told it is.

If not, just explain simply why I'm wrong.

Imagine you do it at the north pole, and see the effect. Now what happens if you move 1 mile south? Would the effect just disappear? How about 1 foot south, or one inch? A millimeter? Do you really think it would only happen at EXACTLY the north pole?

Think about how a RE'er would. Why do they say it wouldn't work at the equator? Look this stuff up. Learn about their idea. THEN, you are thinking about it well.
Your north and south poles are slightly flattened, we are led to believe. You know, with the earth's so called equator bulge, so you can have all of it. You can have all of the flattened area...BUT... from that point on, your pendulum should not work.

Think of your north and south poles as a big roundabout sat on top of a grassy domed hill. Everything on that roundabout is turning and also , so it the grassy domed hill.

Putting your pendulum on that roundabout, at any point and you would get your Foucault pendulum effect.
Anything off of that roundabout would be pointless, because no buildings are going to ROTATE in the way it's being said.
Now if I'm wrong...explain in simple terms how I'm wrong, because to me, it does not seem right at all.