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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #270 on: August 22, 2013, 11:22:09 AM »
Light makes a sound?
Do you know that light is simply agitated particles. You may not hear the sound but it all marries into one.
How do you know light is a particle?
The earth is made up of particles , all in various stages of density. We can call it matter or anything. How do I actually know they are there,  do you mean? If so, I see the effects of those particles and also feel them.
Can I physically describe them? Nope.
How much does light weigh?
How am I supposed to know that?
If light is a particle, it should have mass right? If it has mass it should have a weight.  Weigh an object with the lights on and then with them of.
As soon as you invent the necessary scales to calculate the difference, I'll be happy to. I tried it with my speaking scales and it just said, " switch that light off, I'm struggling."  ;D

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« Reply #271 on: August 22, 2013, 11:25:11 AM »
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Then we are inside a vacuum, as you both keep saying and protesting.

We are a cell that is in suspended animation, kind of thing. When a vacuum is mentioned...people immediately think of a vacuum made in atmospheric pressure...but as I've explained before, we cannot make a vacuum down here, we can just evacuate molecules in a chamber.
Outside of this cell of ours, space does not exist. it's nothing. It's a true vacuum. We cannot see through it but it does make a perfect barrier of a mirrored reflection of all of the things that are happening inside this cell, except our eyes cannot see the lesser light reflections, only the brighter ones.

What is the practical difference, in physical terms, between a vacuum which we have 'evacuated molecules' from and the 'true vacuum' What physical force prevents the creation of an artificial 'true vacuum?'

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You're going to have to explain how 'expansion of molecules' is occurring if a component is air-tight, given that internal pressure would remain consistent, and how it would 'tear the hull apart' if they aren't, given the molecules could escape through the nearest hole should it not be. And that's assuming your utter nonsense 'exponentially expanding molecules' claptrap is real.
We could argue this bit till the end of days but all I'll say is....Look at a helium balloon before lift off and how flimsy it is and how expanded it becomes, the higher it goes. Yes we know a rockets skin is thicker but that skin is not overly thick when compared to the fuel it carries, plus it's carrying pressurised air at higher than atmospheric pressure. It will be torn apart. Say it won't if you want...but we shall have to beg to differ on that.

You mean you'll have to be wrong. The latex skin of a helium balloon and the metal fuel case of a jet are two totally different things as far as their expansion in response to external pressure is concerned.
Again, put a pressurized SCUBA tank in an artificial 'evacuated molecules' vacuum. You'll see the reaction.
And for the record, rockets are generally not air tight. They have no reason to be apart from specific components.

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Also, what keeps a vessel from travelling laterally to the dome?
The sides of the dome are no different. It's still the same molecules of gases, so the same situation arises. Plus a rocket is highly unlikely to hold a lateral path unless it was finding it's way to a target on earth, not above or towards the side of the dome.

So, a Rocket, drone, zeppelin, what have you would discover that the air would begin thinning even as it didn't rise? Is that what you're saying?
And if a rocket can trace a path from the US to Australia, it can trace a path from, say, Australia to the world beyond the edge.

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Light but dense? You are now being oxymoronic. Next you will tell us it is cold but warm and liquid but solid.
What material do you think the 'underdome' is made of?
Yeah, ok, let's forget dense, let's just say it's a light dormant solid.
I don't know what the under dome is made of, I can only assume it is made of something like diamond. If it were possible to view the earth from outside, which it isn't...but let's pretend it is....what you would actually see, is a glass looking ball or cell and within that cell, it would resemble a kind of unshaken snow globe..
All hypothetical of course, so it's basically down to the imagination.[/quote]

Glad to see you admit it. Your ideas have no possible experimental validation, are entirely ad hoc and unfalsifiable, and basically, just utter bollocks.

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The diamond under dome is most probably the purest diamond there is or maybe a more purer crystal. We see the remnants of that as super dense rocks are spewed out in volcanoes, etc or under sea volcanoes, which we see the small crystals of various densities that we call jewels.

So, why would diamond be moved to the bottom of the dome? I thought you said everything was sorted according to its density.


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Not necessarily. A ballistic arc is merely one that follows a certain path. While, yes, the idea would be that the ICBM would eventually come down, if it travels far enough in any direction, it will make it to the dome. For example, the side of the dome, where the 'pressure' and 'expanding molecules' nonsense should not be an issue.
It won't make it to the dome. It won't even make it into the ultra thin air before it's ejected rocket fuel becomes pointless against the atmosphere below it. Yes I'm well aware that you all say rockets don't need atmosphere to work. I know different, but let's just beg to differ on this, as I've been through it and diagrammed it, time and time again.

What Ultra Thin Air, Citizen? I am proposing a largely horizontal rocket launch, specifically so that even in your fantasy world, it will have something to push against, and momentum to keep it going if it doesn't.

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Scepti, about how far up and out do you think this Ice Dome of yours rests? About what is its radius from the North Pole, for example?
Hard to say. I can only guess, so here's my guess.
I'd say that the full earth is about 4 times bigger than we are told it is.
The part that we live on and can reach, alive  maybe something like 48,000 miles around. The full size to the actual dome barrier, (which we will never reach), maybe, could be approximately 100,000 miles around.

How much of that 48,000 miles is 'within' Antartica (I assume you subscribe to the ice ring antarctica idea, can't be arsed to check), and how much is outside?

Also, the sound of light. That's a good one.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #272 on: August 22, 2013, 12:15:48 PM »
You wanna try that one again, Scepti? The broken quote tree is nigh unreadable.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #273 on: August 22, 2013, 12:40:54 PM »
You wanna try that one again, Scepti? The broken quote tree is nigh unreadable.
Sorry about that, I'll rectify it later, as I have to sort a few things first. My apologies.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #274 on: August 22, 2013, 01:07:38 PM »
Regarding the fact that Radar measurements don't need to have a constant speed of light as it is currently defined, how would you expect accurate measurements if you don't know how your waves will propagate, it's true that for short distance they feel instantaneous, but that doesn't mean you don't have to account for it. There's a reason sensors usually come with accuracy and a margin of error, and this is a direct effect of the measurement tool, and in case of RADAR this would be on one hand the sample size (how often one can send, receive and process data, which is directly related to the speed of these waves and the algorithm in use) and calculations between the actual speed of light and the rounding error caused by the computer on the second hand.

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« Reply #276 on: August 23, 2013, 02:22:32 PM »
Those answers rely on equations provided by Einstein, a scientist (the same type that feed indoctrination to the masses by the gallon), as well as a constant speed of light which scepti has explicitly denied the existence of.

Your move spaceship.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.


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« Reply #278 on: August 23, 2013, 04:13:27 PM »
So the speed of light would be varying because of the medium it is traveling in, which we already know to be true.  Nothing in there indicated that light exceeded the speed of light, not to mention the effect is so miniscule that it is impossible to detect currently.  On a related note to the small effect, do you realize what a millionth of a billionth actually is?  It is somewhere in the order of 1x10-15 or 0.000000000000001, given that my power conversions are correct.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #280 on: August 24, 2013, 03:16:17 AM »
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What is the practical difference, in physical terms, between a vacuum which we have 'evacuated molecules' from and the 'true vacuum' What physical force prevents the creation of an artificial 'true vacuum?'
Atmospheric matter.

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You mean you'll have to be wrong. The latex skin of a helium balloon and the metal fuel case of a jet are two totally different things as far as their expansion in response to external pressure is concerned.
Again, put a pressurized SCUBA tank in an artificial 'evacuated molecules' vacuum. You'll see the reaction.
And for the record, rockets are generally not air tight. They have no reason to be apart from specific components.
Correct, they aren't air tight but the oxygen tanks that are under pressure, are.


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So, a Rocket, drone, zeppelin, what have you would discover that the air would begin thinning even as it didn't rise? Is that what you're saying?
If it didn't rise, how can it get into thinner atmosphere?

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And if a rocket can trace a path from the US to Australia, it can trace a path from, say, Australia to the world beyond the edge.
How do you work that out? We are talking about close to absolute zero at the edge of the dome and even a small way from the inner ice rim, it's going to be so cold, that any craft will be rendered useless.


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Glad to see you admit it. Your ideas have no possible experimental validation, are entirely ad hoc and unfalsifiable, and basically, just utter bollocks.
Correct, they don't have any experimental validation.I cannot expect to have you look at the earth from outside if you cannot see through a perfect vacuum or exist in it.
The rotating globe has manipulated video and paintings, plus CGI to back it up, which means, your model also has no verification that represents the truth.


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So, why would diamond be moved to the bottom of the dome? I thought you said everything was sorted according to its density.
Ok then, let's call it hardness, Due to pressure and temperature differences.



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What Ultra Thin Air, Citizen? I am proposing a largely horizontal rocket launch, specifically so that even in your fantasy world, it will have something to push against, and momentum to keep it going if it doesn't.
Good luck with your horizontal flight to the edge of the dome. How long before your rockets parts seize up and shatter into pieces? You can swim in a nice warm shallow pool quite easily. If that pool starts to drop and drop in temperature, it will become icy, which makes your swimming a lot harder,(assuming you don't die) and as it becomes more solid, you find it harder, until you are frozen into it, not moving. The colder it gets, the more solid and frozen you become. You are not going anywhere near the ice domes , either horizontally or vertically, due to the extreme sub zero temperatures or the absence of atmosphere to propel into.


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How much of that 48,000 miles is 'within' Antartica (I assume you subscribe to the ice ring antarctica idea, can't be arsed to check), and how much is outside?
Virtually all of it. And yes, I subscribe to the ice rim.

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Also, the sound of light. That's a good one.
Do you think light just appears? Do you not think that super microwave energy makes light?Do you understand that vibration equals sound and frequency can equal light?
Rub some sticks together slowly, now faster and faster, now watch the light you produce from the sticks.]

You see light, you hear sound. If you change the frequency and vibration of that sound, you will see light.
For light to travel, it needs an unbroken medium to move through. For example: Atmosphere.
The second you put a vacuum or absence of molecules in between that light or sound, it stops at that point. IE, at the dome.

To give you an idea. Let's take a fibre optic cable, encased in a black sheath. You shine light into one end and it will travel to the other end, where someone can see it.
Cut that cable at any point and your light ends at that point, meaning it cannot be seen by anyone on the other side.
Because it's sheathed, it means that the light has a direct route and cannot escape it's light through that sheath.
At the dome, the light hits it and cannot go any further, because the outer dome is like that sheath, so the light hits the inner dome and reflects...but it also spreads around the dome, through the ice at any point it's shining, which agitates the gases in that area, that we see as a blue sky, whilst the parts that aren't reflected are in darkness or night time or partial darkness as the light fades off, or shall I say, as the molecules become less agitated due to temperature differences.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #281 on: August 24, 2013, 03:27:05 AM »
Regarding the fact that Radar measurements don't need to have a constant speed of light as it is currently defined, how would you expect accurate measurements if you don't know how your waves will propagate, it's true that for short distance they feel instantaneous, but that doesn't mean you don't have to account for it. There's a reason sensors usually come with accuracy and a margin of error, and this is a direct effect of the measurement tool, and in case of RADAR this would be on one hand the sample size (how often one can send, receive and process data, which is directly related to the speed of these waves and the algorithm in use) and calculations between the actual speed of light and the rounding error caused by the computer on the second hand.
Us humans can make accurate measurements of things we can control with the systems we build.
To make it simpler. I could shoot a rubber bullet at a car going past me and bounce it off of the back of it and back to a catch net. I then time that.
That's a crude way of looking at it and doesn't represent radar in full, so lets not get into that.
It's basically showing that this speed of light garbage is not used and cannot be used and it's simply bouncing signals of things that are close and that goes for the ice dome as well. It's all close.

People of today should really look a bit deeper into this light speed, star distance rubbish and actually see it for what it is. Nonsense.
Just my opinion, of course.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #282 on: August 24, 2013, 04:17:22 AM »
In your example, unless you know how fast the rubber bullet is going, you cannot measure the distance from the target to the net.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #283 on: August 24, 2013, 04:51:17 AM »
In your example, unless you know how fast the rubber bullet is going, you cannot measure the distance from the target to the net.
That's right. So it gets calculated.
The speed of light as they say it is, is impossible to calculate. That's the difference. You see, you can calculate things like bullets and speeds of man made objects like vehicles by using the distance that can be verified.
The speed of light, as they say it is, is an impossible earth calculation, because we do not possess anything that can calculate it.
Of course, we get told we can, but it's poppycock, in my opinion.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #284 on: August 24, 2013, 06:11:50 AM »
Explain how black holes exist on this model.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #285 on: August 24, 2013, 06:49:30 AM »
Explain how black holes exist on this model.
Black holes don't exist.

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« Reply #286 on: August 24, 2013, 07:38:47 AM »

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #287 on: August 24, 2013, 07:49:31 AM »
This might be fun to try scepti.. http://www.physics.umd.edu/icpe/newsletters/n34/marshmal.htm
Yeah, it might be a nice little experiment to do, to prove nothing.

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« Reply #288 on: August 24, 2013, 09:54:31 AM »
In your example, unless you know how fast the rubber bullet is going, you cannot measure the distance from the target to the net.
That's right. So it gets calculated.
The speed of light as they say it is, is impossible to calculate. That's the difference. You see, you can calculate things like bullets and speeds of man made objects like vehicles by using the distance that can be verified.
The speed of light, as they say it is, is an impossible earth calculation, because we do not possess anything that can calculate it.
Of course, we get told we can, but it's poppycock, in my opinion.

The speed of light has been calculated with increasing precision.
This is just one example.:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/measure_c.html

The speed of light and the speed of radio waves is essentially the same. If we didn't know the speed of radio waves we wouldn't be able to measure distances accurately with radar.  The same goes for measuring distances with laser beams.
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« Reply #289 on: August 24, 2013, 09:56:13 AM »
Do you think light just appears? Do you not think that super microwave energy makes light?Do you understand that vibration equals sound and frequency can equal light?
Rub some sticks together slowly, now faster and faster, now watch the light you produce from the sticks.]

You see light, you hear sound. If you change the frequency and vibration of that sound, you will see light.
For light to travel, it needs an unbroken medium to move through. For example: Atmosphere.
The second you put a vacuum or absence of molecules in between that light or sound, it stops at that point. IE, at the dome.

To give you an idea. Let's take a fibre optic cable, encased in a black sheath. You shine light into one end and it will travel to the other end, where someone can see it.
Cut that cable at any point and your light ends at that point, meaning it cannot be seen by anyone on the other side.
Because it's sheathed, it means that the light has a direct route and cannot escape it's light through that sheath.
At the dome, the light hits it and cannot go any further, because the outer dome is like that sheath, so the light hits the inner dome and reflects...but it also spreads around the dome, through the ice at any point it's shining, which agitates the gases in that area, that we see as a blue sky, whilst the parts that aren't reflected are in darkness or night time or partial darkness as the light fades off, or shall I say, as the molecules become less agitated due to temperature differences.

And that is why the sun is black in space.  The light is only SEEN through our atmosphere.

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« Reply #290 on: August 24, 2013, 10:01:03 AM »
Us humans can make accurate measurements of things we can control with the systems we build.
To make it simpler. I could shoot a rubber bullet at a car going past me and bounce it off of the back of it and back to a catch net. I then time that.
That's a crude way of looking at it and doesn't represent radar in full, so lets not get into that.
It's basically showing that this speed of light garbage is not used and cannot be used and it's simply bouncing signals of things that are close and that goes for the ice dome as well. It's all close.

People of today should really look a bit deeper into this light speed, star distance rubbish and actually see it for what it is. Nonsense.
Just my opinion, of course.

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« Reply #291 on: August 24, 2013, 10:36:16 PM »
Do you think light just appears? Do you not think that super microwave energy makes light?Do you understand that vibration equals sound and frequency can equal light?
Rub some sticks together slowly, now faster and faster, now watch the light you produce from the sticks.]

You see light, you hear sound. If you change the frequency and vibration of that sound, you will see light.
For light to travel, it needs an unbroken medium to move through. For example: Atmosphere.
The second you put a vacuum or absence of molecules in between that light or sound, it stops at that point. IE, at the dome.

To give you an idea. Let's take a fibre optic cable, encased in a black sheath. You shine light into one end and it will travel to the other end, where someone can see it.
Cut that cable at any point and your light ends at that point, meaning it cannot be seen by anyone on the other side.
Because it's sheathed, it means that the light has a direct route and cannot escape it's light through that sheath.
At the dome, the light hits it and cannot go any further, because the outer dome is like that sheath, so the light hits the inner dome and reflects...but it also spreads around the dome, through the ice at any point it's shining, which agitates the gases in that area, that we see as a blue sky, whilst the parts that aren't reflected are in darkness or night time or partial darkness as the light fades off, or shall I say, as the molecules become less agitated due to temperature differences.

And that is why the sun is black in space.  The light is only SEEN through our atmosphere.
Space travel is impossible so this comment is irrelevant.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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« Reply #292 on: August 25, 2013, 03:30:34 AM »
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What is the practical difference, in physical terms, between a vacuum which we have 'evacuated molecules' from and the 'true vacuum' What physical force prevents the creation of an artificial 'true vacuum?'
Atmospheric matter.

Atmospheric matter is not a physical force preventing itself from being removed from an area. You are still giving no reason why a vacuum could not be created on earth, or that matter could exist inside a perfect vacuum, given that the earth, in short, matter, does.

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You mean you'll have to be wrong. The latex skin of a helium balloon and the metal fuel case of a jet are two totally different things as far as their expansion in response to external pressure is concerned.
Again, put a pressurized SCUBA tank in an artificial 'evacuated molecules' vacuum. You'll see the reaction.
And for the record, rockets are generally not air tight. They have no reason to be apart from specific components.
Correct, they aren't air tight but the oxygen tanks that are under pressure, are.

Which are made from sturdier things than latex or mylar. Once again, SCUBA tank. Low pressure room. Notice lack of reaction.


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So, a Rocket, drone, zeppelin, what have you would discover that the air would begin thinning even as it didn't rise? Is that what you're saying?
If it didn't rise, how can it get into thinner atmosphere?

It wouldn't have to get to thinner atmosphere. This is, in large part, my point.

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And if a rocket can trace a path from the US to Australia, it can trace a path from, say, Australia to the world beyond the edge.
How do you work that out? We are talking about close to absolute zero at the edge of the dome and even a small way from the inner ice rim, it's going to be so cold, that any craft will be rendered useless.

Given that this is all your fevered imaginings, we cannot say one was or the other until we try.
Though, to assuage my curiosity, what causes the temperature at the edge of the dome near earth to be so cold. Indeed, why is there even a dome at lower altitudes at all? Geothermal convection would cause the hyrdogen ice to melt.


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Glad to see you admit it. Your ideas have no possible experimental validation, are entirely ad hoc and unfalsifiable, and basically, just utter bollocks.
Correct, they don't have any experimental validation.I cannot expect to have you look at the earth from outside if you cannot see through a perfect vacuum or exist in it.
The rotating globe has manipulated video and paintings, plus CGI to back it up, which means, your model also has no verification that represents the truth.

Unmanipulated video, repeated scientific experiments, photographs, and physics all verify the round, rotating, revolving earth.
Please don't project the shortcomings of your nonsense onto reality. Thank you.


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So, why would diamond be moved to the bottom of the dome? I thought you said everything was sorted according to its density.
Ok then, let's call it hardness, Due to pressure and temperature differences.

But again you are changing your tune. Previously, you said everything was sorted according to its density. Now you say it is sorted according to hardness. Yet we find gold, a dense yet malleable element at lower depths than we do harder, lighter materials such as stone.



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What Ultra Thin Air, Citizen? I am proposing a largely horizontal rocket launch, specifically so that even in your fantasy world, it will have something to push against, and momentum to keep it going if it doesn't.
Good luck with your horizontal flight to the edge of the dome. How long before your rockets parts seize up and shatter into pieces? You can swim in a nice warm shallow pool quite easily. If that pool starts to drop and drop in temperature, it will become icy, which makes your swimming a lot harder,(assuming you don't die) and as it becomes more solid, you find it harder, until you are frozen into it, not moving. The colder it gets, the more solid and frozen you become. You are not going anywhere near the ice domes , either horizontally or vertically, due to the extreme sub zero temperatures or the absence of atmosphere to propel into.

That's a nice story, except that my rocket is not a human body, isn't travelling through water, and won't need all that many moving parts.


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How much of that 48,000 miles is 'within' Antartica (I assume you subscribe to the ice ring antarctica idea, can't be arsed to check), and how much is outside?
Virtually all of it. And yes, I subscribe to the ice rim.

So, do you hold that the distance between North pole and Ice rim is larger the same as what the arc-distance between north and south poles is on a round earth?

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Also, the sound of light. That's a good one.
Do you think light just appears? Do you not think that super microwave energy makes light?Do you understand that vibration equals sound and frequency can equal light?
Rub some sticks together slowly, now faster and faster, now watch the light you produce from the sticks.]

You see light, you hear sound. If you change the frequency and vibration of that sound, you will see light.
For light to travel, it needs an unbroken medium to move through. For example: Atmosphere.
The second you put a vacuum or absence of molecules in between that light or sound, it stops at that point. IE, at the dome.

Light is not sound. Light is not a vibration. Light is a wave/particle that does not produce any sound audible to humans or any creature known with standard senses.
Frequency is not a material, it is a measure of wavelength. Many things can have wavelength. The ripples of water can have wavelength.

In a vacuum or near vacuum, sound propagates entirely differently, if at all, whereas light propagates unchanged. The two are not the same thing.

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To give you an idea. Let's take a fibre optic cable, encased in a black sheath. You shine light into one end and it will travel to the other end, where someone can see it.
Cut that cable at any point and your light ends at that point, meaning it cannot be seen by anyone on the other side.
Because it's sheathed, it means that the light has a direct route and cannot escape it's light through that sheath.
At the dome, the light hits it and cannot go any further, because the outer dome is like that sheath, so the light hits the inner dome and reflects...but it also spreads around the dome, through the ice at any point it's shining, which agitates the gases in that area, that we see as a blue sky, whilst the parts that aren't reflected are in darkness or night time or partial darkness as the light fades off, or shall I say, as the molecules become less agitated due to temperature differences.

If you cut the cable, the light will be visible out of the point you cut the cable. You keep making analogies that make no sense. Fiber optic cable has a reflective material on the inside, allowing the light to travel down the cable without being absorbed by the sheathe. Ice is nowhere near as reflective as the mirrored material of a fiber optic cable, and is actually rather translucent and unreflective under most circumstances.
Also, a difference in temperature actually serves to agitate air more.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #293 on: August 25, 2013, 03:53:54 AM »


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The speed of light has been calculated with increasing precision.
This is just one example.:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/measure_c.html

The speed of light and the speed of radio waves is essentially the same. If we didn't know the speed of radio waves we wouldn't be able to measure distances accurately with radar.  The same goes for measuring distances with laser beams.
Enough said.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #294 on: August 25, 2013, 03:54:53 AM »
Do you think light just appears? Do you not think that super microwave energy makes light?Do you understand that vibration equals sound and frequency can equal light?
Rub some sticks together slowly, now faster and faster, now watch the light you produce from the sticks.]

You see light, you hear sound. If you change the frequency and vibration of that sound, you will see light.
For light to travel, it needs an unbroken medium to move through. For example: Atmosphere.
The second you put a vacuum or absence of molecules in between that light or sound, it stops at that point. IE, at the dome.

To give you an idea. Let's take a fibre optic cable, encased in a black sheath. You shine light into one end and it will travel to the other end, where someone can see it.
Cut that cable at any point and your light ends at that point, meaning it cannot be seen by anyone on the other side.
Because it's sheathed, it means that the light has a direct route and cannot escape it's light through that sheath.
At the dome, the light hits it and cannot go any further, because the outer dome is like that sheath, so the light hits the inner dome and reflects...but it also spreads around the dome, through the ice at any point it's shining, which agitates the gases in that area, that we see as a blue sky, whilst the parts that aren't reflected are in darkness or night time or partial darkness as the light fades off, or shall I say, as the molecules become less agitated due to temperature differences.

And that is why the sun is black in space.  The light is only SEEN through our atmosphere.
In my model, light cannot move through a vacuum or be seen through one, at any point.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #295 on: August 25, 2013, 04:34:13 AM »

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Atmospheric matter is not a physical force preventing itself from being removed from an area. You are still giving no reason why a vacuum could not be created on earth, or that matter could exist inside a perfect vacuum, given that the earth, in short, matter, does.
If matter existed inside a perfect vacuum, it would not be a perfect vacuum. Why can't you understand this?


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Which are made from sturdier things than latex or mylar. Once again, SCUBA tank. Low pressure room. Notice lack of reaction.
Show me a full scuba tank in a low pressure room. Low pressure can be half atmospheric pressure. It means nothing.
We won't get into this but and example is the silly aluminium thin skinned lunar modules that supposedly landed on the moon, in a vacuum. Enough said about the garbage we are fed.



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It wouldn't have to get to thinner atmosphere. This is, in large part, my point.
If you go horizontally, you eventually come to an atmosphere that becomes colder and denser, until your rocket simply freezes, long before you hit the nitrogen dome at absolute zero.
Either way, you're rendered useless, vertically or horizontally.


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Given that this is all your fevered imaginings, we cannot say one was or the other until we try.
Though, to assuage my curiosity, what causes the temperature at the edge of the dome near earth to be so cold. Indeed, why is there even a dome at lower altitudes at all? Geothermal convection would cause the hyrdogen ice to melt.
It does melt as the suns reflection hits that part.


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Unmanipulated video, repeated scientific experiments, photographs, and physics all verify the round, rotating, revolving earth.
Please don't project the shortcomings of your nonsense onto reality. Thank you.
Well don't come up with this repeated experiment nonsense to prove your case, when all you are going on, is what you are told to believe, which is what I'm arguing against.



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But again you are changing your tune. Previously, you said everything was sorted according to its density. Now you say it is sorted according to hardness. Yet we find gold, a dense yet malleable element at lower depths than we do harder, lighter materials such as stone.
The density of metals and rock vary, naturally. They are all the same thing though, in terms of in variations of states of their matter.
For instance:
Up on earth's crust we have a water molecule that breaks down into a Russian doll type molecule, all the way up and becoming different states the higher into the atmosphere they go.
The same happens down below, as in lighter elements to full on super dense elements that become denser, then molten, then harder, etc.
It's a change basically like hydrogen and helium, etc, changes due to pressure and temperature.
What we find scattered about under ground, is due to the fissures created from the centralised heat source, known as the reflected sun that create pressure in earth's crust that open up fissures and create seams of gold deposits as well as diamonds etc. These are just the scraps of the on going process of earth's layered sandwich.
What is at the bottom of the dome in it's full on hardness, I can only guess at.





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That's a nice story, except that my rocket is not a human body, isn't travelling through water, and won't need all that many moving parts.
It doesn't matter what it is. It will become useless quite quickly.



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So, do you hold that the distance between North pole and Ice rim is larger the same as what the arc-distance between north and south poles is on a round earth?
I believe the north pole is much, much bigger than we are told. All we see is another ice rim and can only go so far in before it becomes too cold.
No planes can fly directly over it, because it's centre holds what we see as the reflected sun, which is a big magnetic force that renders any man made object useless to go anywhere near.
We don't see any of this effect, because the earth is much bigger than we are told. We can only go to the outer rim and that's it.
Many, many thousands of miles into that rim, is the beating heart of the earth, what keeps us alive, along with the ice dome that reflects all of that energy back to us.




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Light is not sound. Light is not a vibration. Light is a wave/particle that does not produce any sound audible to humans or any creature known with standard senses.
Frequency is not a material, it is a measure of wavelength. Many things can have wavelength. The ripples of water can have wavelength.
Light is super agitation of molecules. A microwave energy. It's sound/vibration and frequency. That's light and the heat we see and feel.
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In a vacuum or near vacuum, sound propagates entirely differently, if at all, whereas light propagates unchanged. The two are not the same thing.
In a vacuum, sound does not propagate at all, no sound or light works in a vacuum.The two are a different variation of exactly the same thing.


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If you cut the cable, the light will be visible out of the point you cut the cable. You keep making analogies that make no sense. Fiber optic cable has a reflective material on the inside, allowing the light to travel down the cable without being absorbed by the sheathe. Ice is nowhere near as reflective as the mirrored material of a fiber optic cable, and is actually rather translucent and unreflective under most circumstances.
Also, a difference in temperature actually serves to agitate air more.
Correct. If you cut the cable, the light stops at that point and the rest of the cable does not receive any further light from it.
Now put that to the ice dome. The reflected sun, hits the ice dome and cannot go any further, so reflects around and back to us. Space outside of that dome is the severed cable.
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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #296 on: August 25, 2013, 01:42:52 PM »

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Atmospheric matter is not a physical force preventing itself from being removed from an area. You are still giving no reason why a vacuum could not be created on earth, or that matter could exist inside a perfect vacuum, given that the earth, in short, matter, does.
If matter existed inside a perfect vacuum, it would not be a perfect vacuum. Why can't you understand this?

I can. You can't. You keep calling what the earth rests inside a perfect vacuum, and yet, earth is there. It is matter.
You still have not given a reason why all matter cannot be evacuated from a chamber on earth.


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Which are made from sturdier things than latex or mylar. Once again, SCUBA tank. Low pressure room. Notice lack of reaction.
Show me a full scuba tank in a low pressure room. Low pressure can be half atmospheric pressure. It means nothing.
We won't get into this but and example is the silly aluminium thin skinned lunar modules that supposedly landed on the moon, in a vacuum. Enough said about the garbage we are fed.[/quote]

He said, offering no argumentation or justification for why his grandiose claims should be believed.
Seriously, all you have to offer us is "It just works that way, okay!" and you even admit you can't even think to replicate your ideas in any form of experiment.


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It wouldn't have to get to thinner atmosphere. This is, in large part, my point.
If you go horizontally, you eventually come to an atmosphere that becomes colder and denser, until your rocket simply freezes, long before you hit the nitrogen dome at absolute zero.
Either way, you're rendered useless, vertically or horizontally.[/quote]

Why does this atmophere become colder and denser, then? Doesn't this contradict your explanation for why the dome exists at high altitude?
You do know that thicker atmospheres make most all forms of flight easier, yes?


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Given that this is all your fevered imaginings, we cannot say one was or the other until we try.
Though, to assuage my curiosity, what causes the temperature at the edge of the dome near earth to be so cold. Indeed, why is there even a dome at lower altitudes at all? Geothermal convection would cause the hyrdogen ice to melt.
It does melt as the suns reflection hits that part.

Congratulations, your dome is now leaking atmosphere into the void of your perfect vacuum. Glad you admitted it.

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Unmanipulated video, repeated scientific experiments, photographs, and physics all verify the round, rotating, revolving earth.
Please don't project the shortcomings of your nonsense onto reality. Thank you.
Well don't come up with this repeated experiment nonsense to prove your case, when all you are going on, is what you are told to believe, which is what I'm arguing against.

Except I'm NOT just going on what I'm told to believe. I'm certainly not doing that with you. I've examined the evidence, done my own experiments, and found that the round earth explanation is the most parsimonious one by far.


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But again you are changing your tune. Previously, you said everything was sorted according to its density. Now you say it is sorted according to hardness. Yet we find gold, a dense yet malleable element at lower depths than we do harder, lighter materials such as stone.
The density of metals and rock vary, naturally. They are all the same thing though, in terms of in variations of states of their matter.
For instance:
Up on earth's crust we have a water molecule that breaks down into a Russian doll type molecule, all the way up and becoming different states the higher into the atmosphere they go.
The same happens down below, as in lighter elements to full on super dense elements that become denser, then molten, then harder, etc.
It's a change basically like hydrogen and helium, etc, changes due to pressure and temperature.
What we find scattered about under ground, is due to the fissures created from the centralised heat source, known as the reflected sun that create pressure in earth's crust that open up fissures and create seams of gold deposits as well as diamonds etc. These are just the scraps of the on going process of earth's layered sandwich.
What is at the bottom of the dome in it's full on hardness, I can only guess at.

And for an equally important question, what is on the side of the dome?
You do know that the elements are not sorted according to density on real earth, right?


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That's a nice story, except that my rocket is not a human body, isn't travelling through water, and won't need all that many moving parts.
It doesn't matter what it is. It will become useless quite quickly.

Because why? You say the cold will stop it, but that's not an issue as long as physics and chemical reactions work as they normally do.

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So, do you hold that the distance between North pole and Ice rim is larger the same as what the arc-distance between north and south poles is on a round earth?
I believe the north pole is much, much bigger than we are told. All we see is another ice rim and can only go so far in before it becomes too cold.
No planes can fly directly over it, because it's centre holds what we see as the reflected sun, which is a big magnetic force that renders any man made object useless to go anywhere near.
We don't see any of this effect, because the earth is much bigger than we are told. We can only go to the outer rim and that's it.
Many, many thousands of miles into that rim, is the beating heart of the earth, what keeps us alive, along with the ice dome that reflects all of that energy back to us.

So no one has ever visited the north pole, and all travel distances on the earth are massively wrong from how they are understood to be on a round earth, then?
Please answer this one as concisely and directly as possible.




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Light is not sound. Light is not a vibration. Light is a wave/particle that does not produce any sound audible to humans or any creature known with standard senses.
Frequency is not a material, it is a measure of wavelength. Many things can have wavelength. The ripples of water can have wavelength.
Light is super agitation of molecules. A microwave energy. It's sound/vibration and frequency. That's light and the heat we see and feel.

Light is a particle cast off by a chemical reaction or by reradiation of absorbed photons and energy. It is not an 'energy'

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In a vacuum or near vacuum, sound propagates entirely differently, if at all, whereas light propagates unchanged. The two are not the same thing.
In a vacuum, sound does not propagate at all, no sound or light works in a vacuum.The two are a different variation of exactly the same thing.[/quote]

If the two were the same thing, their propagation would be altered in the same fashion according to the mediums they travel through. In extremely rarified air, sound reacts differently from light. The two are not the same.


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If you cut the cable, the light will be visible out of the point you cut the cable. You keep making analogies that make no sense. Fiber optic cable has a reflective material on the inside, allowing the light to travel down the cable without being absorbed by the sheathe. Ice is nowhere near as reflective as the mirrored material of a fiber optic cable, and is actually rather translucent and unreflective under most circumstances.
Also, a difference in temperature actually serves to agitate air more.
Correct. If you cut the cable, the light stops at that point and the rest of the cable does not receive any further light from it.
Now put that to the ice dome. The reflected sun, hits the ice dome and cannot go any further, so reflects around and back to us. Space outside of that dome is the severed cable.
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No, if you cut the cable, the light emits from the point you cut. You're mixing your metaphors in addition to your mangled science and fevered imaginings.

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Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #297 on: August 25, 2013, 05:45:35 PM »
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Quote from: hewholikespie
That's a nice story, except that my rocket is not a human body, isn't travelling through water, and won't need all that many moving parts.
It doesn't matter what it is. It will become useless quite quickly.

Because why? You say the cold will stop it, but that's not an issue as long as physics and chemical reactions work as they normally do.

Don't you know that scepti can warp the laws of physics to suit his needs?   ;)

Anyway, three questions for scepti.

1. How do you explain galaxies moving away from us?
2. If nothing can exist in a perfect vacuum then how does earth exist inside this vacuum?
3. I have seen references to a reflected sun and moon. Can you explain this please?
Anyone with a phoenix avatar is clearly amazing.

Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #298 on: August 26, 2013, 07:53:01 AM »

Light is a particle cast off by a chemical reaction or by reradiation of absorbed photons and energy. It is not an 'energy'

It carries energy though.  So essentially it transforms into an energy.
http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/f/photon.htm

Re: Sceptimatics theory
« Reply #299 on: August 26, 2013, 08:24:02 AM »
Can someone (hewho) please post a video showing light propagating in a vacuum?  I cannot seem to find one anywhere and yet many keep mentioning it and that is supposedly how the speed of light was determined.
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