Are there any clues in the clouds?

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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2012, 06:02:05 AM »
The regular practice of aeromancy, and specifically nephomancy, also produces powerful direct extra-sensorial evidence of the planar nature of our Earth, as well as the prevalence of aether. If you focus on the cloud, and conceive of it just as you would a dream you are trying to interpret, with practice its meanings and memories will be revealed to you.

Thinking Man is simply asking for clarification of this post.  An explanation or even a  rough idea of what you are talking about. 
The above is not meant to be an attack or inflammatory, it's just what I think.

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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2012, 06:09:07 AM »
I think it's pretty self-explanatory. If he follows those steps with an open-mind, there's every chance he will come to know and experience the cloud in an extra-sensorial way.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2012, 08:38:16 AM »
I think it's pretty self-explanatory. If he follows those steps with an open-mind, there's every chance he will come to know and experience the cloud in an extra-sensorial way.

Yet I don't know what those practices are. I've practiced the art of ingesting hallucinogens, and I had some experiences which some would consider religious, or connecting with a greater mind than myself, or experiencing aether. Are you talking about something like this? If so, I do not wish to do that.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2012, 07:25:43 PM »
No, I am not talking about something like that. Otherwise it would have been included in my instructions.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2012, 05:47:10 AM »
No, I am not talking about something like that. Otherwise it would have been included in my instructions.

Aeromancy and Nephomancy, what are they? It sounds like some pagan/new pagan ritual.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2012, 06:13:31 AM »
No, I am not talking about something like that. Otherwise it would have been included in my instructions.

Aeromancy and Nephomancy, what are they? It sounds like some pagan/new pagan ritual.

The ancient arts of divination by clouds or weather.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromancy
http://www.occultopedia.com/n/nephomancy.htm
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2012, 06:30:27 AM »
No, I am not talking about something like that. Otherwise it would have been included in my instructions.

Aeromancy and Nephomancy, what are they? It sounds like some pagan/new pagan ritual.

The ancient arts of divination by clouds or weather.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromancy
http://www.occultopedia.com/n/nephomancy.htm

Oh dear. So it's like reading the tea leaves in the bottom of the cup, except with clouds. I was at least hoping it would be something creative, like the Incans and Ayahuasca, or the Native Americans with Marijuana. Nothing of the like I see.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2012, 07:40:36 AM »
Producing delusions with substances is neither difficult nor instructive. It can be a lot of fun, but that is not the purpose of the above exercise. The aim of divination is to strike at true meanings and significances, to see beyond physical limits. It must be done with a clear and focussed mind.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2012, 08:51:58 AM »
Producing delusions with substances is neither difficult nor instructive. It can be a lot of fun, but that is not the purpose of the above exercise. The aim of divination is to strike at true meanings and significances, to see beyond physical limits. It must be done with a clear and focussed mind.

See, I get that. I just haven't seen any evidence of anyone actually being able to divine the future. I also do not think it is possible this way, only with mathematics, and that can only go so far, as I do not think it can define human behavior.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2012, 09:42:34 AM »
Personally I have had no success at divining the future, and I am of the opinion that it would take great power to do so. Alternative paths to knowledge of the present, are, however, possible, and require only the studied application of Self to Other.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2012, 09:55:00 AM »
Personally I have had no success at divining the future, and I am of the opinion that it would take great power to do so. Alternative paths to knowledge of the present, are, however, possible, and require only the studied application of Self to Other.

You mean psychology? And what sort of "power" are you referring to?
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2012, 10:03:13 AM »
No, I do not mean psychology. If anything that is the application of one Self to another, which is a very different matter. As for the kind of power required, that I do not know, having had no experience of it. I speculate that a supreme mastery of the arcane would be needed. I doubt aeromancy would be suitable either - oneiromancy provides a much better platform, as in that case the unknown we explore is so familiar to us.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2012, 10:06:18 AM »
See, I get that. I just haven't seen any evidence of anyone actually being able to divine the future. I also do not think it is possible this way, only with mathematics, and that can only go so far, as I do not think it can define human behavior.
The future is entirely predictable. Completely and utterly. Because of cause and effect. There's no mystery
You predict the future all the time. For example you buy food each week because you know in the future you will eat what you have left and require more. Its obvious you need more. Your body needs fuel, it will need more fuel. You'll need more food. Completely predictable.

The problem with predicting the future is when the variables start to increase in number and depend upon each other. Lets say you want to know who will win a baseball game. The weather is reasonably predictable but you don't know how that will effect a game. You don't know if one of the pitchers is carrying an injury or feels ill. You don't know if the referee will make a bad call. You don't know if the batsman is worrying about his divorce. And you don't know how all these things will effect the performance of the players to predict the score. But if you knew absolutely every factor, you'd be able to predict the future. You could assign numbers to everything and get a cold hard completely accurate score.

But we don't know all those little factors or how to  express them. The best model we have is chaos theory, but frankly we aren't very good at it. We can't use it for accuracy.

Isaac Newton was obsessed with this. He believed he could predict the end of the earth using mathematics. After much messing about he decided the earth would end in 2060. For me it probably will. I'll be 82.
Quote from: http://www.isaac-newton.org/update.html
How did Newton arrive at the date 2060?

This did not involve the use of anything as complicated as calculus, which he invented, but rather simple arithmetic that could be performed by a child. Beginning in the 1670s and continuing to the end of his life in 1727, Newton considered several commencement dates for the formal institution of the apostate, imperial Church. Earlier commencement dates include 607 and 609 A.D. As Newton grew older, he pushed the time of the end further and further into the future. In Yahuda MS 7 Newton twice gives 800 A.D. for the beginning of "the Pope's supremacy". The year 800 is a significant one in history, as it is the year Charlemagne was crowned emperor of Rome in the west by Pope Leo III at St. Peter's in Rome. Since Newton believed that the 1260 years corresponded to the duration of the corruption of the Church, he added 1260 to 800 A.D. and arrived at the date 2060 for the "fall of Babylon" or cessation of the apostate Church. It seems that Newton believed the fall could perhaps begin somewhat before the end of the 1260-year period and continue for a short time afterward. Whatever the precise chronology, Newton believed that sometime shortly after the fall of the corrupt (Trinitarian, Catholic) Church, Christ would return and set up a 1000-year Kingdom of God on earth. On page 144 of his Observations (1733), Newton cited Daniel 7:26-27 as evidence of this:

But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Newton espoused a premillenarian eschatology and thus held that Christ would return to earth to establish the Millennium.
Of course this is the same guy that thought he could turn lead into gold with alchemy, the same guy that burnt his parents house down deliberately as a child and of course the same guy that came up with that ridiculous theory called gravity that all you round earthers love so much.


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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2012, 10:07:08 AM »
No, I do not mean psychology. If anything that is the application of one Self to another, which is a very different matter. As for the kind of power required, that I do not know, having had no experience of it. I speculate that a supreme mastery of the arcane would be needed. I doubt aeromancy would be suitable either - oneiromancy provides a much better platform, as n that case the unknown we explore is so familiar to us.

I see. It would probably take me a long time to learn about all of that stuff. I'm going to say for now, I don't understand in the slightest.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2012, 11:54:13 AM »
It is the work of a lifetime.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2012, 12:14:44 PM »
See, I get that. I just haven't seen any evidence of anyone actually being able to divine the future. I also do not think it is possible this way, only with mathematics, and that can only go so far, as I do not think it can define human behavior.
The future is entirely predictable. Completely and utterly. Because of cause and effect. There's no mystery
You predict the future all the time. For example you buy food each week because you know in the future you will eat what you have left and require more. Its obvious you need more. Your body needs fuel, it will need more fuel. You'll need more food. Completely predictable.

The problem with predicting the future is when the variables start to increase in number and depend upon each other. Lets say you want to know who will win a baseball game. The weather is reasonably predictable but you don't know how that will effect a game. You don't know if one of the pitchers is carrying an injury or feels ill. You don't know if the referee will make a bad call. You don't know if the batsman is worrying about his divorce. And you don't know how all these things will effect the performance of the players to predict the score. But if you knew absolutely every factor, you'd be able to predict the future. You could assign numbers to everything and get a cold hard completely accurate score.

But we don't know all those little factors or how to  express them. The best model we have is chaos theory, but frankly we aren't very good at it. We can't use it for accuracy.

Isaac Newton was obsessed with this. He believed he could predict the end of the earth using mathematics. After much messing about he decided the earth would end in 2060. For me it probably will. I'll be 82.
Quote from: http://www.isaac-newton.org/update.html
How did Newton arrive at the date 2060?

This did not involve the use of anything as complicated as calculus, which he invented, but rather simple arithmetic that could be performed by a child. Beginning in the 1670s and continuing to the end of his life in 1727, Newton considered several commencement dates for the formal institution of the apostate, imperial Church. Earlier commencement dates include 607 and 609 A.D. As Newton grew older, he pushed the time of the end further and further into the future. In Yahuda MS 7 Newton twice gives 800 A.D. for the beginning of "the Pope's supremacy". The year 800 is a significant one in history, as it is the year Charlemagne was crowned emperor of Rome in the west by Pope Leo III at St. Peter's in Rome. Since Newton believed that the 1260 years corresponded to the duration of the corruption of the Church, he added 1260 to 800 A.D. and arrived at the date 2060 for the "fall of Babylon" or cessation of the apostate Church. It seems that Newton believed the fall could perhaps begin somewhat before the end of the 1260-year period and continue for a short time afterward. Whatever the precise chronology, Newton believed that sometime shortly after the fall of the corrupt (Trinitarian, Catholic) Church, Christ would return and set up a 1000-year Kingdom of God on earth. On page 144 of his Observations (1733), Newton cited Daniel 7:26-27 as evidence of this:

But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Newton espoused a premillenarian eschatology and thus held that Christ would return to earth to establish the Millennium.
Of course this is the same guy that thought he could turn lead into gold with alchemy, the same guy that burnt his parents house down deliberately as a child and of course the same guy that came up with that ridiculous theory called gravity that all you round earthers love so much.

Well, you can't believe everything you read. Of course, he wasn't factoring in all these other variables. It would take extremely advanced understandings of mathematics, physics, and psychology, all tied together, to predict futures even a few years ahead accurately, never mind a millennium+. This level of mathematics is what is believed to have been used by the Mayans to create their calender that people get so hyped over.

I like the attempt to inspire a gravity debate, but this is honestly not the place.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2012, 12:25:43 AM »
Producing delusions with substances is neither difficult nor instructive. It can be a lot of fun, but that is not the purpose of the above exercise. The aim of divination is to strike at true meanings and significances, to see beyond physical limits. It must be done with a clear and focussed mind.

Actually ayahuasca is well-known for its revelatory properties.  An anthropologist named Jeremy Narby went as far as to suggest that shamans are able to access information at the molecular level through its ingestion.  A lot of symbolism associated with the ingestion of ayahuasca is reminiscent of our understanding of DNA.  He wrote an interesting book where he supports his theory called The Cosmic Serpent.  Although his theory is presented within the context of science what I recall of his methods was surprisingly zetetic.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2012, 07:56:07 AM »
I know John feels similarly, but it simply hasn't been my experience. That said, my experience has been limited.
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Re: Are there any clues in the clouds?
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2012, 05:48:49 AM »
Drink some ayahuasca then. I don't personally think that a substance can help you divine the future, or gain any understand of physics, psychic energy, or anything really. Perhaps it may force you to go and explore your own mind (which has been my experience), and it may cause you to believe that you are developing a new sense, or becoming psychic, or whatnot. But even though that's what I believed when I'd taken dubious amounts of psychedelics, looking back, that is no longer what I think. After all, they say hindsight is 20x20.
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