Extraordinary claims!

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I can't be the first person to come to these forums and ask if Flat-Earthers have heard of this saying.
However I've been reading a lot of threads- both pro FE and anti FE, and I just keep seeing Flat-Earthers dismissing any round earth science as part of a global conspiracy, and I have to ask about this.
 If true, the scope of this alleged global conspiracy is utterly mind-boggling. Truly extraordinary. And therefore it requires extraordinary evidence.
I would very much like to see some of this extraordinary evidence of the conspiracy. Not proof of a flat-earth at the moment.

Proof not only of the conspiracy existing, but how it manages to falsify insane amounts of data and photos and experiments.
I've been looking some things up lately on google maps/google earth, and it uses literally tens of thousands of aerial photos from planes and from space, layers upon layers, all stitched together. Insane amounts of work just to collect them and stitch them together. To FAKE them all? And then to make sure no one ever flew a plane to the ice wall and got a real photo and put it on the internet  (where I can post a picture of my freaking penis on a thousand web sites that wouldn't take it down)? That would be extraordinary.

Ever seen a space shuttle launch? The science and engineering and money involved is extraordinary. To do all that and spend the rocket up in the sky and...somehow fake that it went to the moon if it really didn't (then where did it go? people watch those things! someone would have seen where it went if not the moon) ... the scale of such a cover up would be extraordinary.

And this cover up must go back thousands of years too. The first mathematicians and astronomers who proved the earth was spherical must have been on the payroll.

 So here's where you give me extraordinary amounts of proof please.
And if you feel inclined to insist that the scope of the conspiracy is proof in itself that such a conspiracy can be covered up (goes something like this: "you can't get proof of the conspiracy, because the conspiracy covers up the proof too"), then that is a self-fulfilling prophecy and can't really be discussed past that point. So don't bother saying that.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I fully agree. 

That the Earth is a whirling globe is an extraordinary claim.  Nobody has yet come up with extraordinary enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on May 29, 2012, 07:04:45 AM

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I fully agree. 

That the Earth is a whirling globe is an extraordinary claim.  Nobody has yet come up with extraordinary enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Why are those things extraordinary?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 29, 2012, 05:58:06 PM

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on May 29, 2012, 07:04:45 AM

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I fully agree. 

That the Earth is a whirling globe is an extraordinary claim.  Nobody has yet come up with extraordinary enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on May 29, 2012, 06:52:54 PM

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Why are those things extraordinary?

They conflict with what we observe with our own senses.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on May 29, 2012, 06:52:54 PM

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Yes,I thinks so

Please familiarize yourself with the rules and refrain from making low-content posts in the future.

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Not only this, but the idea of living on a sphere is counter intuitive. Yet, we are the ones making extraordinary claims.


Also, brucee is prolly a spam bot.

Also, brucee is prolly a spam bot.

Yeah, I realize that.  They confuse me when they aren't immediately advertising something.

Quote from: garygreen on May 29, 2012, 07:03:51 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 29, 2012, 05:58:06 PM

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on May 29, 2012, 07:04:45 AM

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I fully agree. 

That the Earth is a whirling globe is an extraordinary claim.  Nobody has yet come up with extraordinary enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on May 29, 2012, 06:52:54 PM

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Why are those things extraordinary?

They conflict with what we observe with our own senses.

What is the conflict?  What in your sense experience tells you that things cannot be very large, very fast, very hot, etc.?

Extraordinary evidence of spherical earth does exist. And you are regularly given spankings with said evidence. Yet you claim it's all part of the conspiracy. And THAT is what this thread is about. So, where's the proof of the conspiracy?

Extraordinary evidence of spherical earth does exist. And you are regularly given spankings with said evidence. Yet you claim it's all part of the conspiracy. And THAT is what this thread is about. So, where's the proof of the conspiracy?

If there was proof of the conspiracy, it wouldn't be a very good conspiracy, now would it?

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on May 29, 2012, 09:42:01 PM

Extraordinary evidence of spherical earth does exist. And you are regularly given spankings with said evidence. Yet you claim it's all part of the conspiracy. And THAT is what this thread is about. So, where's the proof of the conspiracy?

If there was proof of the conspiracy, it wouldn't be a very good conspiracy, now would it?

If you know that there's a conspiracy, then it can't be a very good conspiracy, can it?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 29, 2012, 08:17:58 PM

Quote from: garygreen on May 29, 2012, 07:03:51 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 29, 2012, 05:58:06 PM

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on May 29, 2012, 07:04:45 AM

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I fully agree. 

That the Earth is a whirling globe is an extraordinary claim.  Nobody has yet come up with extraordinary enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on May 29, 2012, 06:52:54 PM

Indeed, a round earth is much more extraordinary than a flat one. A big ball flying through space, dodging all sorts of debris, around another fiery ball. This all happening at break-neck speeds, no less.

Why are those things extraordinary?

They conflict with what we observe with our own senses.

What is the conflict?  What in your sense experience tells you that things cannot be very large, very fast, very hot, etc.?

Nothing.  I know things can be very large, very fast, very hot, etc, from experience.  Such vague statements are quite natural.  I've seen the Grand Canyon; it's quite large.  I've been in an airplane; they move very fast.  I've accidentally put my hand on a burner; it was very hot.  So?

The conflict is that I am told I am on a giant sphere whirling through space, and that is not what I observe.  Rather the opposite in fact.  It's quite simple.

Extraordinary evidence of spherical earth does exist. And you are regularly given spankings with said evidence. Yet you claim it's all part of the conspiracy. And THAT is what this thread is about. So, where's the proof of the conspiracy?

No one has ever provided evidence extraordinary enough to overturn what I am able to observe about the world around me.

No one has ever provided evidence extraordinary enough to overturn what I am able to observe about the world around me.

Aaaaand no one has ever provided the billions of people who know that the earth is round enough proof to convince them that it's flat. However, again, that's not what I'm asking for here. I want to talk about the conspiracy. So we can keep going around in circles (ironic isn't it, that flat-earthers seem to enjoy conversations which go around and around), OR you can get on topic and spill the inside gossip on 'the conspiracy'.

Nothing.  I know things can be very large, very fast, very hot, etc, from experience.  Such vague statements are quite natural.  I've seen the Grand Canyon; it's quite large.  I've been in an airplane; they move very fast.  I've accidentally put my hand on a burner; it was very hot.  So?

In your experience, while traveling in an airplane, were you able to sense how fast you were traveling?  Did standing on the airplane feel different to you than standing on the ground?  Better put, if you weren't able to look out of a window, would you have any sense experience that would indicate to you how fast you were moving?

Quote from: markjo on May 29, 2012, 09:50:41 PM

If you know that there's a conspiracy, then it can't be a very good conspiracy, can it?

On the contrary. There are reasons "conspiracy theorist" carries a discrediting connotation; allowing a few "crazed individuals" to know the truth and attempt to disseminate it in the streets or on obscure websites is probably part of the strategies of a good number of conspiracies. Hiding in plain sight, as it were. After all, how are people expected to seriously consider a theory if they've been conditioned from infancy to laugh and roll their eyes at the very mention of its name?

Or there's no conspiracy...

i agree that there is little first hand evidence for a round earth, well there is but its not as direct as seeing in from out my window.
but what we see everyday is an over whelming amount of evidence that conflicts with the fes theories.

the biggest defence is that nasa is a hoax, well all space travel is. we are told that goverments are covering up the truth and paying off those who are in on it. however what does said goverment do when a private company is launching rockets, who have more money than the goverment? its not even a question of what happens when a company can do it, they are doing it. right now in fact! tom was telling us they are nothing more than goverment contractors, but the funny thing is the goverment in this case is a mere customer paying for a service.

if the conspiracy thoeries didnt exist then neither will the fes be what it is now, sure you will get the odd tom bishop still beating the drum, defiant till the end.

so knowing all to well that nobody here can provide anything more than internet dribble as evidence for the conspiracy i got a question;
if space travel was accepted what will happen to the fes?

Here is where a US president is talking about something that sounds like a conspiracy.




"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." –Woodrow Wilson

Here is where a US president is talking about something that sounds like a conspiracy.




"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." –Woodrow Wilson

it would be quite a leap to RE conspiration.

Here is where a US president is talking about something that sounds like a conspiracy.

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." –Woodrow Wilson

Very interesting. It does hint at some sort of conspiracy, but as Zhark says, it doesn't seem to suggest any focus of the conspiracy. And wouldn't the US president be a part of the Round Earth conspiracy if there were one?

Quote from: hoppy on May 30, 2012, 10:29:12 AM

Here is where a US president is talking about something that sounds like a conspiracy.

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." –Woodrow Wilson

Very interesting. It does hint at some sort of conspiracy, but as Zhark says, it doesn't seem to suggest any focus of the conspiracy. And wouldn't the US president be a part of the Round Earth conspiracy if there were one?

Haven't you ever watched the Independence Day invasion documentary? The U.S. President had no idea that the alien labs even existed.

Here is where a US president is talking about something that sounds like a conspiracy.




"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." –Woodrow Wilson

He is not describing a conspiracy.  If he were describing a terrifying conspiracy that he thought would silence those who condemn it, he probably wouldn't have published it in a book.

Also, if you read the passage in its context, he is clearly making a metaphor for the struggles of small businesses against America's industrial giants.  He is not describing an actual conspiracy.

Read it for yourself.

Do you think that the" power somewhere" has weakened since Woodrow Wilson's time. He said the big boys in business are afraid of it. Who controls politics? Hint, it is money and powerful people. Who runs NASA? The people in government, politicians and people with money and power.
 What he said is a frank admission. with a little bit of insight you can see that he saying that the whole world is run by a group of hidden people. A conspiracy.

What he said is a frank admission. with a little bit of insight you can see that he saying that the whole world is run by a group of hidden people. A conspiracy.

Quite possibly. But there are lots of different conspiracy theories out there. Any or all of them can easily hitch their wagon onto vague quotes. That is not proof that your theory is fact.

Of course, NASA existed in the time of Woodrow Wilson.

Quote from: hoppy on May 31, 2012, 06:20:07 AM

What he said is a frank admission. with a little bit of insight you can see that he saying that the whole world is run by a group of hidden people. A conspiracy.

Quite possibly. But there are lots of different conspiracy theories out there. Any or all of them can easily hitch their wagon onto vague quotes. That is not proof that your theory is fact.

A president of the US has stated that has stated that richest people in the world are afraid of a"power" that is so organized, watchful, organized and pervasive that those people are afraid to condemn it.  You should investigate that power instead of dismissing outrightly, being that you are the one who inquired.

Quote from: Lord Oddfish on June 03, 2012, 07:56:55 PM

Quote from: hoppy on May 31, 2012, 06:20:07 AM

What he said is a frank admission. with a little bit of insight you can see that he saying that the whole world is run by a group of hidden people. A conspiracy.

Quite possibly. But there are lots of different conspiracy theories out there. Any or all of them can easily hitch their wagon onto vague quotes. That is not proof that your theory is fact.

A president of the US has stated that has stated that richest people in the world are afraid of a"power" that is so organized, watchful, organized and pervasive that those people are afraid to condemn it.  You should investigate that power instead of dismissing outrightly, being that you are the one who inquired.

It's a quote which could concern so many subjects that, given it is out of its context, we have to dismiss it for the moment.

The quote is in context of the biggest men in the US in industry and manufacture(richest people in the world ) are afraid to speak against a "power". That is so subtle, watching and organized(mafia like). Ignore this if you like, the OP was looking for some kind of evidence.

The quote is in context of the biggest men in the US in industry and manufacture(richest people in the world ) are afraid to speak against a "power". That is so subtle, watching and organized(mafia like). Ignore this if you like, the OP was looking for some kind of evidence.

Again, it is out of context, it is a century old, it speaks of a conspircy which couldn't concern space travel.

If you are that gullible, that's your problem.

Common sense, of course CEO's are afraid of a power over them. CEO's and their company's are backed by governments around the world. For all we know it could very well be China that they are afraid of or some middle east country that permits an oil company to drill on their land as long as they receive a substantial compensation.

This so called "power" is most likely nothing more then the countries oversee of the large corporations products.