Skyrim

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 12:38:29 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2012, 05:42:24 PM

That doesn't automatically imply a distinction from "gods."

The existence of lesser daedra and mortality of princes does.

I suppose you're right in reference to the general class of "daedra," but the princes are definitely immortal.  That's made very clear in the games.

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 09, 2012, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 12:38:29 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2012, 05:42:24 PM

That doesn't automatically imply a distinction from "gods."

The existence of lesser daedra and mortality of princes does.

I suppose you're right in reference to the general class of "daedra," but the princes are definitely immortal.  That's made very clear in the games.

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

And Sheogorath.

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 09, 2012, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 12:38:29 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2012, 05:42:24 PM

That doesn't automatically imply a distinction from "gods."

The existence of lesser daedra and mortality of princes does.

I suppose you're right in reference to the general class of "daedra," but the princes are definitely immortal.  That's made very clear in the games.

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

And Sheogorath.

Sheogorath didn't die. He just turned into the other guy.

Also, he's in skyrim.

Quote from: Blanko on April 09, 2012, 09:36:23 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 09, 2012, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 12:38:29 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 08, 2012, 05:42:24 PM

That doesn't automatically imply a distinction from "gods."

The existence of lesser daedra and mortality of princes does.

I suppose you're right in reference to the general class of "daedra," but the princes are definitely immortal.  That's made very clear in the games.

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

And Sheogorath.

Sheogorath didn't die. He just turned into the other guy.

Also, he's in skyrim.

Fun fact: the Sheogorath in Skyrim is the player character from Oblivion.

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

Are you talking about the ending to Oblivion?  He wasn't killed; Martin simply drove him out of Mundus and back into Oblivion.  Hell, he reappears in Skyrim.

As for Sheogorath in Shivering Isles, he transformed back into Jyggalag.

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 09:24:02 AM

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

Are you talking about the ending to Oblivion?  He wasn't killed; Martin simply drove him out of Mundus and back into Oblivion.  Hell, he reappears in Skyrim.

As for Sheogorath in Shivering Isles, he transformed back into Jyggalag.

A voice speaks from his statue, it may not be the same Dagon but another daedra in his mantle, Sheogorath style. Martin says that "it takes an immortal to kill an immortal", hence the Akatosh thing.

Sheogorath became Jyggalag who, when defeated, left to wander the void of Oblivion.

Hence, it's possible for a mortal to defeat a Daedra but not to kill one, while an Aedra can.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 09, 2012, 09:47:09 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 09:24:02 AM

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

Are you talking about the ending to Oblivion?  He wasn't killed; Martin simply drove him out of Mundus and back into Oblivion.  Hell, he reappears in Skyrim.

As for Sheogorath in Shivering Isles, he transformed back into Jyggalag.

A voice speaks from his statue, it may not be the same Dagon but another daedra in his mantle, Sheogorath style.

Oh, come on, you pulled that out of your ass.  I can't technically prove it wrong, of course, but there's no evidence supporting it, meaning no reason to believe it's true.

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 10:17:24 AM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 09, 2012, 09:47:09 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 09:24:02 AM

The death of Mehrunes Dagon shows otherwise.

Are you talking about the ending to Oblivion?  He wasn't killed; Martin simply drove him out of Mundus and back into Oblivion.  Hell, he reappears in Skyrim.

As for Sheogorath in Shivering Isles, he transformed back into Jyggalag.

A voice speaks from his statue, it may not be the same Dagon but another daedra in his mantle, Sheogorath style.

Oh, come on, you pulled that out of your ass.  I can't technically prove it wrong, of course, but there's no evidence supporting it, meaning no reason to believe it's true.

Except for the fact that we know Martin killed Dagon (firmly established at the end of Oblivion) and that you can become a prince with all the power that entails (firmly established at the end of SI). That's the only explanation I can think of given these facts.

Except for the fact that we know Martin killed Dagon (firmly established at the end of Oblivion)

The physical incarnation of him on Mundus was destroyed, but the immortal being of Mehrunes Dagon that existed before the Oblivion Crisis continued to exist.  Saying that he himself was killed would be like saying that killing Jesus killed God (assuming Christianity to be true).  Look, why don't I just refer you to the no-life basement-dwellers who are authorities on such matters?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mehrunes_Dagon

Quote from: General Douchebag on April 09, 2012, 10:35:27 AM

Except for the fact that we know Martin killed Dagon (firmly established at the end of Oblivion)

The physical incarnation of him on Mundus was destroyed, but the immortal being of Mehrunes Dagon that existed before the Oblivion Crisis continued to exist.  Saying that he himself was killed would be like saying that killing Jesus killed God (assuming Christianity to be true).  Look, why don't I just refer you to the no-life basement-dwellers who are authorities on such matters?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mehrunes_Dagon

I misread my original source. My bad, you're right.

GD actually conceded a point in a debate.  Forum history has been made!

GD actually conceded a point in a debate.  Forum history has been made!

Has it? I'll defend my opinion to the hilt but if you're shown to be factually wrong it's just childish not to admit that.

I killed my first dragon!

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

If I can anyway.

Nope.

I killed my first dragon!

Noob.

I've fallen in love with the Skyrim soundtrack. I can't stop listening to it.

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

It might not always be true, but on my game the cowl doesn't count as anything and I can wear Morokei over it.

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I can't hand in the model ship, and I've done everything so wrong that I can't use any of the fixes.

Quote from: Blanko on April 12, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I can't hand in the model ship, and I've done everything so wrong that I can't use any of the fixes.

Have you tried progressing the quest with the console, or starting the quest that follows it?

I killed a frost troll! That sucker was tough.

Quote from: Blanko on April 12, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I can't hand in the model ship, and I've done everything so wrong that I can't use any of the fixes.

Sounds about right. I sold the armour Tonilia (?) wants and can't be assed finding it.

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: Blanko on April 12, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I can't hand in the model ship, and I've done everything so wrong that I can't use any of the fixes.

Have you tried progressing the quest with the console, or starting the quest that follows it?

I tried setting the quest to every possible state, and there is no other quest that follows it.

Quote from: Blanko on April 12, 2012, 10:58:07 AM

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: Blanko on April 12, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

Quote from: Taters343 on April 12, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 11, 2012, 01:05:39 PM

I finished the thief guild quest line.  On master.  Not bad.

The armor reward is great with the the dark brotherhood cow and gloves.  Once I get full enchanting, I'll hit it with double enchants. If I can anyway.

Mine glitched and now I can't finish it. Not even with console commands.

What's the issue?

I can't hand in the model ship, and I've done everything so wrong that I can't use any of the fixes.

Have you tried progressing the quest with the console, or starting the quest that follows it?

I tried setting the quest to every possible state, and there is no other quest that follows it.

I thought the model ship was just a "fence this rare item for me" and not an actual quest.

It's a larceny target. To completely finish the thieve's guild quest and become the leader you have to do all of the larceny targets, but I can't hand in the model ship.

It's a larceny target. To completely finish the thieve's guild quest and become the leader you have to do all of the larceny targets, but I can't hand in the model ship.

But I'm already the leader.

I beat the previous one and they gave me the title.
All before I handed in the ship.  Heck, I got listed as the leader before the quest "become a full member of the thieves guild" finished.  I'm not even sure where to go because I've finished the main quest.

It's a larceny target. To completely finish the thieve's guild quest and become the leader you have to do all of the larceny targets, but I can't hand in the model ship.

It sounds to me like you could just set the quest stage to 200 to solve that. Are you sure you tried that?

It's a larceny target. To completely finish the thieve's guild quest and become the leader you have to do all of the larceny targets, but I can't hand in the model ship.

No, you don't.  As you've noticed, the larceny quest does unfortunately have a bug that stops you from turning in new items once you pick up the Left Eye of the Falmer, but it also automatically completes the quest - which isn't even a requirement to become the Guild Master.  To get that, you have to do this quest:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Under_New_Management