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There could be surface tension if there was aether...

There could be surface tension if there was aether...

Would you be happier if I gave it a different name? How about O'Hara-plank Plasma?

No, evidence would be enough.

What's really funny with the way the FErs debate, is that they just state ideas as though they were facts without really thinking about how it would actually work. Surface tension as provided by an aether would not work. First of all if aether does exist it would be smaller than nuetrinos and likely have no mass. Therefore, it would pass right through the Earth and would never be able to hold the air in. You are going to have to try harder than that to convince me of your false truths.

Did you all miss everything I've said on the subject? Aether is a state of matter, not a particle.

Which state? Which matter? Which particles?

Evidence, where are you?

Which state? Which matter? Which particles?

Evidence, where are you?

The state is O'Hara-plank plasma. The matter is normal matter, probably Polonium and Radon. The particles are atoms.

The evidence is in the need. We're in the realm of theoretical physics now.

Never heard of O'Hara-plank plasma.

I like the "probably". Very scientific.

Atoms? In a plasma?

Are you making everything up?

Did you all miss everything I've said on the subject? Aether is a state of matter, not a particle.

Just because you say something does not mean it's true. For instance, I could say that male unicorns are real... it's just a matter of where you specify the location of the horn. I thought this was a scientific debate regarding a FE vs. a RE. Oh wait... to have a scientific debate we would have to consider actual science and not the jumbling of a few modern and ancient theories into a non-cohesive idea that falls apart when one actually observe something against it.

The state is O'Hara-plank plasma. The matter is normal matter, probably Polonium and Radon. The particles are atoms.

The evidence is in the need. We're in the realm of theoretical physics now.

Now you really do not make any sense. Those atoms are denser than air and would most certainly settle below the layer of air that we breath. You must think that this state of matter is hotter so it must rise above the atmosphere, but you ignore the horrible affects that it would impart on life on the surface. Shame on you for posing such ideas that do more harm than good.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:38:11 PM

Did you all miss everything I've said on the subject? Aether is a state of matter, not a particle.

Just because you say something does not mean it's true. For instance, I could say that male unicorns are real... it's just a matter of where you specify the location of the horn. I thought this was a scientific debate regarding a FE vs. a RE. Oh wait... to have a scientific debate we would have to consider actual science and not the jumbling of a few modern and ancient theories into a non-cohesive idea that falls apart when one actually observe something against it.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:42:58 PM

The state is O'Hara-plank plasma. The matter is normal matter, probably Polonium and Radon. The particles are atoms.

The evidence is in the need. We're in the realm of theoretical physics now.

Now you really do not make any sense. Those atoms are denser than air and would most certainly settle below the layer of air that we breath. You must think that this state of matter is hotter so it must rise above the atmosphere, but you ignore the horrible affects that it would impart on life on the surface. Shame on you for posing such ideas that do more harm than good.

You're making assumptions based on an imperfect knowledge of the theory. My own fault; I haven't made the wiki page for it yet and thus can't link it to you. Here's the page on aether, which should shed some more light on the topic:
http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Aether

Note: apparently it's Astatine and Radon, not Polonium and Radon. I didn't look at my periodic table before that post.

Quote from: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 17, 2011, 12:51:53 PM

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:38:11 PM

Did you all miss everything I've said on the subject? Aether is a state of matter, not a particle.

Just because you say something does not mean it's true. For instance, I could say that male unicorns are real... it's just a matter of where you specify the location of the horn. I thought this was a scientific debate regarding a FE vs. a RE. Oh wait... to have a scientific debate we would have to consider actual science and not the jumbling of a few modern and ancient theories into a non-cohesive idea that falls apart when one actually observe something against it.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:42:58 PM

The state is O'Hara-plank plasma. The matter is normal matter, probably Polonium and Radon. The particles are atoms.

The evidence is in the need. We're in the realm of theoretical physics now.

Now you really do not make any sense. Those atoms are denser than air and would most certainly settle below the layer of air that we breath. You must think that this state of matter is hotter so it must rise above the atmosphere, but you ignore the horrible affects that it would impart on life on the surface. Shame on you for posing such ideas that do more harm than good.

You're making assumptions based on an imperfect knowledge of the theory. My own fault; I haven't made the wiki page for it yet and thus can't link it to you. Here's the page on aether, which should shed some more light on the topic:
http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Aether

Note: apparently it's Astatine and Radon, not Polonium and Radon. I didn't look at my periodic table before that post.

Question: Wouldn't a very big, perfectly transparent covering the earth and holding the air in be just as likely, sir?

Or how about god? Why not god?

How very unscientific of you to post a link that just states something and is assumed to be true. First of all, those elements are heavier than Nitrogen and Oxygen and would displace the air that we breath. Especially under acceleration. Also, what energizes these atoms you call aether and why does it only affect those elements and not other elements which are in more abundance. I'm sure we'll here more nonsense from you, so I will ignore you until you can actually make some sense.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:58:50 PM

Quote from: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 17, 2011, 12:51:53 PM

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:38:11 PM

Did you all miss everything I've said on the subject? Aether is a state of matter, not a particle.

Just because you say something does not mean it's true. For instance, I could say that male unicorns are real... it's just a matter of where you specify the location of the horn. I thought this was a scientific debate regarding a FE vs. a RE. Oh wait... to have a scientific debate we would have to consider actual science and not the jumbling of a few modern and ancient theories into a non-cohesive idea that falls apart when one actually observe something against it.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 12:42:58 PM

The state is O'Hara-plank plasma. The matter is normal matter, probably Polonium and Radon. The particles are atoms.

The evidence is in the need. We're in the realm of theoretical physics now.

Now you really do not make any sense. Those atoms are denser than air and would most certainly settle below the layer of air that we breath. You must think that this state of matter is hotter so it must rise above the atmosphere, but you ignore the horrible affects that it would impart on life on the surface. Shame on you for posing such ideas that do more harm than good.

You're making assumptions based on an imperfect knowledge of the theory. My own fault; I haven't made the wiki page for it yet and thus can't link it to you. Here's the page on aether, which should shed some more light on the topic:
http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Aether

Note: apparently it's Astatine and Radon, not Polonium and Radon. I didn't look at my periodic table before that post.

Question: Wouldn't a very big, perfectly transparent covering the earth and holding the air in be just as likely, sir?

Or how about god? Why not god?

This isn't the main reason for aether. In my model, it also heats and lights the Earth, causes UA, and causes cosmic radiation, and causes the orbit of the Sun and Moon.

I just started the page on the Aetheric Wind Model. Here's a link: http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Aetheric_Wind_Model

If anyone can find any problems with the theory, please PM me about them. Thanks in advance!

How very unscientific of you to post a link that just states something and is assumed to be true. First of all, those elements are heavier than Nitrogen and Oxygen and would displace the air that we breath. Especially under acceleration. Also, what energizes these atoms you call aether and why does it only affect those elements and not other elements which are in more abundance. I'm sure we'll here more nonsense from you, so I will ignore you until you can actually make some sense.

Most of those questions are answered in the wiki page, but one isn't. It is those two elements (likely more, actually, those two are just necessary) because the high energy nurtures fusion.

http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/The_Conspiracy

Knock yourself out.

I'm sorry but the link to Ice Wall seems to be missing from that page.

Quote from: Tausami on October 16, 2011, 04:45:21 PM

http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/The_Conspiracy

Knock yourself out.

I'm sorry but the link to Ice Wall seems to be missing from that page.

True. I didn't actually look at it before posting it. I'll improve the page when I get the chance.

Also, now that I think about it, my prior incarnation disproved just about everything on that page. It really needs to be fixed.

So this invisible, undetectable, unreachable state of matter is responsible for UA? Couldn't Fairies with boots do the same thing?

Are you high, or just a teenager?

So this invisible, undetectable, unreachable redundancy (also untrue) state of matter is responsible for UA? Couldn't Fairies with boots do the same thing?

Are you high, or just a teenager?

Argumentum ad Hominem

Or how about god? Why not god?

[cidthekid] How dare you derail the thread!!! Make anew one to discuss this!! How dare you butt in and try and add to this thread!!!! [/cidthekid]

 

Quote from: CidTheKid on October 17, 2011, 01:40:10 PM

So this invisible, undetectable, unreachable redundancy (also untrue) state of matter is responsible for UA? Couldn't Fairies with boots do the same thing?

Are you high, or just a teenager?

Argumentum ad Hominem

Disprove my Boot-wearing Fairy theory. I have as much evidence for it as you have for Aether.

Quote from: CidTheKid on October 17, 2011, 01:05:51 PM

Or how about god? Why not god?

[cidthekid] How dare you derail the thread!!! Make anew one to discuss this!! How dare you butt in and try and add to this thread!!!! [/cidthekid]

 

Why are you still mad?

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 01:51:06 PM

Quote from: CidTheKid on October 17, 2011, 01:40:10 PM

So this invisible, undetectable, unreachable redundancy (also untrue) state of matter is responsible for UA? Couldn't Fairies with boots do the same thing?

Are you high, or just a teenager?

Argumentum ad Hominem

Disprove my Boot-wearing Fairy theory. I have as much evidence for it as you have for Aether.

Quote from: The Knowledge on October 17, 2011, 02:07:44 PM

Quote from: CidTheKid on October 17, 2011, 01:05:51 PM

Or how about god? Why not god?

[cidthekid] How dare you derail the thread!!! Make anew one to discuss this!! How dare you butt in and try and add to this thread!!!! [/cidthekid]

 

Why are you still mad?

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam

Reductio ad Ridiculum

Well I think this is a win for the RErs. FErs cannot debate against the flaws in their aether theory. They also cannot explain what holds the atmosphere in place and keeps it from flowing over the edge of their FE without inducing something which is untestable. Because they cannot back up their claims with experiment and scientific evidence, they have completely failed and have lost this argument. One of them has even resorted to Latin, instead of English, to continue their posts.

I was actually hoping for a good debate. Instead, I find the ramblings equivalent to the education of 5th grader.

Well I think this is a win for the RErs. FErs cannot debate against the flaws in their aether theory. They also cannot explain what holds the atmosphere in place and keeps it from flowing over the edge of their FE without inducing something which is untestable. Because they cannot back up their claims with experiment and scientific evidence, they have completely failed and have lost this argument. One of them has even resorted to Latin, instead of English, to continue their posts.

I was actually hoping for a good debate. Instead, I find the ramblings equivalent to the education of 5th grader.

Nice. You almost got me annoyed.

Anyway, those Latin phrases were all the names of logical fallacies that the quoted poster was guilty of. There are others, but I didn't feel like mentioning them.

'Their' Aether theory is actually 'my' Aetheric Wind Theory. I'm currently its only supporter.

Please provide evidence of gravity beyond your Cavendish Experiment, which was long ago proven inconclusive.

So one theory vs the scientific community?

Good luck!

So one theory vs the scientific community?

Good luck!

Reductio ad Ridiculum, Argumentum ad Populum.

Which one theory are you talking about? Aetheric Wind? DA? Newtonian Gravity? Einsteinian Gravitation? The Davis Plane?

FAAAARIEES WEEAAR BOOTS AND YOU GOTTAA BELIEEEVE MEE!

In all seriousness though, you have yet to provide any evidence for Aether.

FAAAARIEES WEEAAR BOOTS AND YOU GOTTAA BELIEEEVE MEE!

In all seriousness though, you have yet to provide any evidence for Aether.

Reductio ad Ridiculum

You've yet to provide evidence for gravity.

'Their' Aether theory is actually 'my' Aetheric Wind Theory. I'm currently its only supporter.

Sorry... my mistake... you fail . But seriously, how do you expect to explain surface tension with an aether that is heavier than air? It would displace the air that we breath due to both gravity and UA. You can test this yourself using a simple jar and the elements you have mentioned. Why should I provide you evidence? You can look it up or conduct the experiments yourself. It is not our job to prove you right or wrong. Your idea, so the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. But, you don't even provide evidence or data to back up your claims. Hell... I would even accept a theoretical mathematical model so that I could pick it apart. I realize that may beyond your abilities, or you may be holding back posting such a model in fear that it would most certainly show your ignorance of such physics.

You seem to go against your Zetetic beliefs. You accept the theories of your peers without conducting the experiments yourself no different than most RErs. Then when flaws are pointed out with the FE idea, you make up some non-sense instead of designing scientific experiments to support your ideas. According to your method for doing science, we might as well believe in Astrology.

Quote from: Tausami on October 17, 2011, 02:57:57 PM

'Their' Aether theory is actually 'my' Aetheric Wind Theory. I'm currently its only supporter.

Sorry... my mistake... you fail . But seriously, how do you expect to explain surface tension with an aether that is heavier than air? It would displace the air that we breath due to both gravity and UA. You can test this yourself using a simple jar and the elements you have mentioned. Why should I provide you evidence? You can look it up or conduct the experiments yourself. It is not our job to prove you right or wrong. Your idea, so the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. But, you don't even provide evidence or data to back up your claims. Hell... I would even accept a theoretical mathematical model so that I could pick it apart. I realize that may beyond your abilities, or you may be holding back posting such a model in fear that it would most certainly show your ignorance of such physics.

You seem to go against your Zetetic beliefs. You accept the theories of your peers without conducting the experiments yourself no different than most RErs. Then when flaws are pointed out with the FE idea, you make up some non-sense instead of designing scientific experiments to support your ideas. We might as well believe in Astrology.

You didn't click the provided link, did you? Aether is the Universal Accelerator. It doesn't sit on top of the Earth, it rushes past it.

You didn't click the provided link, did you? Aether is the Universal Accelerator. It doesn't sit on top of the Earth, it rushes past it.

I read the statements provided by the link. Also, I must thank you for confirming that the aether rushes past the Earth. Any child knows that if it rushes past the Earth, then it would add to the affect of the airflow rushing over the edge of the Earth... making the currents stronger.