Conspiracy motivation

That would require thousands of engineers to ne in on the conspiracy. Not 45 random people in high places.

Hey I don't believe it but others do....

Of course lol. The earth is flat! There is nothing to stop the transmissions. Its all LOSLOL.

Fix'd

On a more serious note - GPS requires the use of psuedolites or at least localized transmission towers to simulate the local satellites that a receiver gets its signals from.  Same with communications dishes - which are pointed towards the geo-stationary satellites.

Therefore transmission towers cannot be placed on the IceWall.
Nor as of yet has anybody seen the Icewall, so no transmission towers can be verified.

Berny
The conspiracy thing is getting old.

Gotta agree with the last part.

Gotta agree with the last part.

Agree with ALL of my post, and enjoy your time here!   

A true zetetic would not suggest such towers existed unless he had seen them for himself.

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

Did you think it a coincidence that "GPS" suddenly came into popular use right when
all those "Cellular" towers went up?

Coincidences don't happen - cell towers ARE the GPS signal-senders.
You can't "Triangulate" with moving transmitters zipping around the sky.   

Have you verified that the cell towers are in fact the source of GPS signals for yourself?

Have you verified that the cell towers are in fact the source of GPS signals for yourself?

Have you verified that the source of GPS signals are moving transmitters in the sky?

(See?  I can talk down to you just like you talk down to me.)

The reason he doesn't have to answer that question is because Zetetics confirm information in a different way than scientists do. In order for you to be a true zetetic, you would need to have seen and confirmed the towers for yourself. General doesn't need to do that, because science confirms the reasonable existence of satellites for him.

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Did you think it a coincidence that "GPS" suddenly came into popular use right when
all those "Cellular" towers went up?

Actually, GPS was in use before cell towers became ubiquitous.

Coincidences don't happen - cell towers ARE the GPS signal-senders.
You can't "Triangulate" with moving transmitters zipping around the sky.   

Then it's a good thing that GPS receivers doesn't use triangulation.  GPS uses multilateration to determine position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Methods_of_solution_of_navigation_equations

The reason he doesn't have to answer that question is because Zetetics confirm information in a different way than scientists do. In order for you to be a true zetetic, you would need to have seen and confirmed the towers for yourself. General doesn't need to do that, because science confirms the reasonable existence of satellites for him.

Precisely. I enjoy holding "zetetics" to their own standards of evidence.

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Well I was about to say - in the middle of the Ocean.
But yeah - Lots of Rural areas in Canada have 0 cell-phone service.

Berny
Doesn't bother with a cellphone - they cause brain cancer.

Quote from: markjo on January 15, 2011, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Well I was about to say - in the middle of the Ocean.
But yeah - Lots of Rural areas in Canada have 0 cell-phone service.

Berny
Doesn't bother with a cellphone - they cause brain cancer.

I'm jealous. What do you live on?

Mounted along the ice wall in Antarctica where they are unseen and protected. Its why your TV satellite dish points south.

Why do they point north in the southern hemisphere?

Quote from: Veronica on January 15, 2011, 01:05:15 AM

To say that gps does not exist is an extremely nonsensical thing to say. Of course it exists. It is seen daily by millions in their cars. There is an actual, tangible device that you can hold in your hand. Not only does this device in the dash of my car exist in the sense that there actually is a device in the dash of my car, and is not just an hallucination, it also tells me how to get where I want to go from where I am at the time I ask for directions. If what you said was just a poorly thought out way to imply that it's just another piece of the puzzle in some vast conspiricy, you would first have to backtrack and say that this is what you meant, and then offer some plausible explaination for how this device does what it so obviously does. How does this device determine my location if not from the air?

GPS exists, of course it does.   I dont think he meant to say what he said - the point is, satellites are NOT what makes GPS work.  THAT is part of the conspiracy.

GPS works by triangulation, the "GPS" signals come from towers all over the planet.   It works just like the wiki page says in a mathematical way - but there are to "birds" in the sky.   It's all done from beacons right here on the earth.

It's one thing to have you say that this is what he meant, but, I would kind of like to see the person that made this poorly formulated statement agree that it was, in fact, a poorly formulated way of saying what he really meant, and then produce a clearer version of what he meant. Nobody can say what he meant better than he can. Then we can get into what the purpose of this 'conspiracy' might be. Before anybody decides to offer a cryptically murmured 'power' as the explanation, and then folks begin to nod knowingly to each other, let's keep in mind the fact that this answer would be equally plausible as an explanation for any conceivable conspiracy theory, no matter how utterly implausible that theory might be. If an answer can explain everything, it actually explains nothing. Precisely what sort of power? How does having people believe the earth is configured differently from how it really is facilitate the acquisition of this power? Why would this power be unattainable if everyone knew 'the truth'? What form does this power take, and how is it wielded? Try to be a little more detailed with the answer than just some knee-jerk catch phrase.

Quote from: berny_74 on January 15, 2011, 09:24:42 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 15, 2011, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Well I was about to say - in the middle of the Ocean.
But yeah - Lots of Rural areas in Canada have 0 cell-phone service.

Berny
Doesn't bother with a cellphone - they cause brain cancer.

I'm jealous. What do you live on?

Food.  Water.  Catching the next Top Chef.  What else is to live on for?

Berny
Not sure what the question really entailed.

Quote from: doyh on January 15, 2011, 09:29:06 PM

Quote from: berny_74 on January 15, 2011, 09:24:42 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 15, 2011, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Well I was about to say - in the middle of the Ocean.
But yeah - Lots of Rural areas in Canada have 0 cell-phone service.

Berny
Doesn't bother with a cellphone - they cause brain cancer.

I'm jealous. What do you live on?

Food.  Water.  Catching the next Top Chef.  What else is to live on for?

Berny
Not sure what the question really entailed.

I'd meant what kind of boat.

Mounted along the ice wall in Antarctica where they are unseen and protected. Its why your TV satellite dish points south.

Actually, satellite TV dishes point to specific locations about 22,000 miles above the equator.  Parabolic dishes are highly directional so the the alignment must be precise.

Quote from: berny_74 on January 16, 2011, 06:35:57 AM

Quote from: doyh on January 15, 2011, 09:29:06 PM

Quote from: berny_74 on January 15, 2011, 09:24:42 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 15, 2011, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

You don't live in a rural area, do you?

Well I was about to say - in the middle of the Ocean.
But yeah - Lots of Rural areas in Canada have 0 cell-phone service.

Berny
Doesn't bother with a cellphone - they cause brain cancer.

I'm jealous. What do you live on?

Food.  Water.  Catching the next Top Chef.  What else is to live on for?

Berny
Not sure what the question really entailed.

I'd meant what kind of boat.

Long time ago - Barquentines.  144 footer and an 180 footer.  5 months on one, 10 months on the other.


Berny
Will miss the boat.

Quote from: Veronica on January 15, 2011, 01:05:15 AM

To say that gps does not exist is an extremely nonsensical thing to say. Of course it exists. It is seen daily by millions in their cars. There is an actual, tangible device that you can hold in your hand. Not only does this device in the dash of my car exist in the sense that there actually is a device in the dash of my car, and is not just an hallucination, it also tells me how to get where I want to go from where I am at the time I ask for directions. If what you said was just a poorly thought out way to imply that it's just another piece of the puzzle in some vast conspiricy, you would first have to backtrack and say that this is what you meant, and then offer some plausible explaination for how this device does what it so obviously does. How does this device determine my location if not from the air?

GPS exists, of course it does.   I dont think he meant to say what he said - the point is, satellites are NOT what makes GPS work.  THAT is part of the conspiracy.

GPS works by triangulation, the "GPS" signals come from towers all over the planet.   It works just like the wiki page says in a mathematical way - but there are to "birds" in the sky.   It's all done from beacons right here on the earth.

Triangulation is only accurate to about a mile or half a mile at best. 

When I toggle between GPS and trianglulation with google maps on my cell phone, the difference between the two goes from 1000-1600 meters down to approx 3 to 4 meters. 

Tower triangulation does not have the power to determine my location down to 10 feet.   Just that I am somewhere in the middle of the 3 towers. 

GPS is 100x more accurate.  and thats because it uses real actual Satellites.  not towers.   


FUCKIN GPS
HOW DO THEY WORK?

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

Did you think it a coincidence that "GPS" suddenly came into popular use right when
all those "Cellular" towers went up?

Coincidences don't happen - cell towers ARE the GPS signal-senders.
You can't "Triangulate" with moving transmitters zipping around the sky.   

You work in the industry and you did not know this?


No wonder you get talked down to. 

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Quote from: FakeLiar on January 15, 2011, 05:10:50 PM

I work in the industry (cellular / two-way), there are towers EVERYWHERE.

Did you think it a coincidence that "GPS" suddenly came into popular use right when
all those "Cellular" towers went up?

Coincidences don't happen - cell towers ARE the GPS signal-senders.
You can't "Triangulate" with moving transmitters zipping around the sky.   

You work in the industry and you did not know this?


No wonder you get talked down to. 

You are missing the most interesting story. What would be fascinating to hear about is how a person this deranged could ever manage to secure employment in the first place.

Quote from: Ski on January 16, 2011, 03:06:42 PM

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

 

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

What Im on about is that, according to the "triangulation" theory... and you guys claiming that its because of cell phone towers, then I must at all times on the highway, my home, big fields, the beach, everywhere I have used the GPS on my phone, has been within 10 feet of a cell phone tower. 

This is bunk, you know there are satellites in space. stop being so difficult and submit to us.

Quote from: Ski on January 16, 2011, 03:06:42 PM

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Ah, so you deny  the existence of GPS altogether. Kay.

Quote from: Ski on January 16, 2011, 03:06:42 PM

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

What Im on about is that, according to the "triangulation" theory... and you guys claiming that its because of cell phone towers, then I must at all times on the highway, my home, big fields, the beach, everywhere I have used the GPS on my phone, has been within 10 feet of a cell phone tower. 

The correct term is "trilateration".  I'm not claiming that cell towers are used. I'm claiming that some combination of land towers and stratellites are the transmitters. Nothing about a global positioning system requires satellites.

Quote from: Romer on January 16, 2011, 04:45:07 PM

Quote from: Ski on January 16, 2011, 03:06:42 PM

GPS uses "triangulation" to give you a result as well -- I'm not sure what you're on about.

What Im on about is that, according to the "triangulation" theory... and you guys claiming that its because of cell phone towers, then I must at all times on the highway, my home, big fields, the beach, everywhere I have used the GPS on my phone, has been within 10 feet of a cell phone tower. 

The correct term is "trilateration".  I'm not claiming that cell towers are used. I'm claiming that some combination of land towers and stratellites are the transmitters. Nothing about a global positioning system requires satellites.

Except for the global positioning thing.

"No-thing" includes the global positioning thing.

"No-thing" includes the global positioning thing.

you forgot about the satellites they help determine my position on the globe.   

the ones that are in space.