Will Anyone Else Miss FET?

Yeah...you can FEEL the wind, Fluffy.  Please, please have an idea of how those things work before you try to use them.  Even the slightest idea.  It's a FAN.  I would hope that would be a big enough tip right there...

This thread is quite obviously a satire subtlety saying that the FET is outdated.

Well of course the cabin roof will be designed to allow air to escape. As I said previously, the passengers will wear suits which negate the feel of the wind.

As I've said before, the giant fans that you're talking about don't simulate zero gravity.  They simulate skydiving.  They are two completely different experiences.  Essentially, Virgin Galactic is offering an extended version of NASA's infamous Vomit Comet.  The primary difference being that you get several minutes of zero gravity on a Virgin Galactic flight as opposed to 30 seconds on the Vomit Comet.

As I've said before, the giant fans that you're talking about don't simulate zero gravity.  They simulate skydiving.  They are two completely different experiences. 

But how would anyone know the difference? In each case, you get a feeling of weightlessness.

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 04:27:52 PM

As I've said before, the giant fans that you're talking about don't simulate zero gravity.  They simulate skydiving.  They are two completely different experiences.

But how would anyone know the difference? In each case, you get a feeling of weightlessness.

The difference between free fall and being pushed up by hurricane force winds is pretty obvious.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 04:42:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 04:27:52 PM

As I've said before, the giant fans that you're talking about don't simulate zero gravity.  They simulate skydiving.  They are two completely different experiences.

But how would anyone know the difference? In each case, you get a feeling of weightlessness.

The difference between free fall and being pushed up by hurricane force winds is pretty obvious.

The difference comes from feeling the winds, which in this case has been nullified.

The difference comes from feeling the winds, which in this case has been nullified.

Even if you didn't feel the winds, you would still have the feeling of being pushed up rather than of floating.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 05:00:28 PM

The difference comes from feeling the winds, which in this case has been nullified.

Even if you didn't feel the winds, you would still have the feeling of being pushed up rather than of floating.

How can you feel 'pushed up' if you can't feel the thing doing the pushing?

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 05:14:48 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 05:00:28 PM

The difference comes from feeling the winds, which in this case has been nullified.

Even if you didn't feel the winds, you would still have the feeling of being pushed up rather than of floating.

How can you feel 'pushed up' if you can't feel the thing doing the pushing?

Can you feel the UA pushing you up?

Can you feel the UA pushing you up?

The UA doesn't push me up.

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 05:23:46 PM

Can you feel the UA pushing you up?

The UA doesn't push me up.

The UA pushes the FE up and the FE (directly or indirectly) pushes you up, right?  Do you feel any of that?

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 05:41:52 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 05:23:46 PM

Can you feel the UA pushing you up?

The UA doesn't push me up.

The UA pushes the FE up and the FE (directly or indirectly) pushes you up, right?  Do you feel any of that?

I feel the Earth pushing upward whenever I jump.

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 07:30:34 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 05:41:52 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 05:23:46 PM

Can you feel the UA pushing you up?

The UA doesn't push me up.

The UA pushes the FE up and the FE (directly or indirectly) pushes you up, right?  Do you feel any of that?

I feel the Earth pushing upward whenever I jump.

How do you feel the earth push you upward when you break mechanical contact with it (jump)?

How do you feel the earth push you upward when you break mechanical contact with it (jump)?

I see the ground rise up to meet me and this perception informs my feeling. Even if I closed my eyes I would still feel the force of the ground impacting my feet.

Without hearing or feeling the wind force, and with no reason to suspect such a force, the passengers will not experience anything other than what they can immediately sense, i.e. floating off the ground. And this sense of floating is informed by perceptions of a false environment. Thus, the unsuspecting RE-er will experience exactly what his feelings and perceptions lead him to expect: zero gravity.

Credit must be given to Virgin Galactic for their shrewd methods. Using RE expectations to create RE experiences; crafty devils!

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 07:44:30 PM

How do you feel the earth push you upward when you break mechanical contact with it (jump)?

I see the ground rise up to meet me and this perception informs my feeling. Even if I closed my eyes I would still feel the force of the ground impacting my feet.

Without hearing or feeling the wind force, and with no reason to suspect such a force, the passengers will not experience anything other than what they can immediately sense, i.e. floating off the ground. And this sense of floating is informed by perceptions of a false environment. Thus, the unsuspecting RE-er will experience exactly what his feelings and perceptions lead him to expect: zero gravity.

Credit must be given to Virgin Galactic for their shrewd methods. Using RE expectations to create RE experiences; crafty devils!

What makes you believe that the suits that the passengers may or may not be required to wear will block all sensation of wind and wind noise in a small, enclosed cabin space?  Also remember that the passengers will initially be in seats that would surely block any wind from below.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 18, 2011, 08:12:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 18, 2011, 07:44:30 PM

How do you feel the earth push you upward when you break mechanical contact with it (jump)?

I see the ground rise up to meet me and this perception informs my feeling. Even if I closed my eyes I would still feel the force of the ground impacting my feet.

Without hearing or feeling the wind force, and with no reason to suspect such a force, the passengers will not experience anything other than what they can immediately sense, i.e. floating off the ground. And this sense of floating is informed by perceptions of a false environment. Thus, the unsuspecting RE-er will experience exactly what his feelings and perceptions lead him to expect: zero gravity.

Credit must be given to Virgin Galactic for their shrewd methods. Using RE expectations to create RE experiences; crafty devils!

What makes you believe that the suits that the passengers may or may not be required to wear will block all sensation of wind and wind noise in a small, enclosed cabin space?  Also remember that the passengers will initially be in seats that would surely block any wind from below.

Yes, I have been giving thought to the chairs. Presumably, when the floor panels slide away, there will remain an essential frame which supports the chairs. The main difficulty, as you point out, is that the chairs will act as wind buffers. Perhaps the captain's task will be to keep the passengers away from the chairs. This could be achieved by beckoning them over to the 'windows' to observe the 'view'.

Remember the cabin only appears to be an enclosed space; it is in fact well vented and fitted out with noise cancellation technology.

Remember the cabin only appears to be an enclosed space; it is in fact well vented and fitted out with noise cancellation technology.

Which also appears to be attached to a rather large airplane.

It's going to be a neat trick going from this to a vertical wind tunnel without anyone noticing.

What if a passenger's friend or family member stayed at the spaceport, and watched the whole flight with binoculars?  Even if you manage to fool the passengers on board, you're not going to fool the people who saw them get on the plane, which they see later rocketing into space, fall back into the atmosphere and land then open the door allowing the same passengers to get off.

A plane will take off for the spectators' benefit, but the passengers won't be on it. The figures who actually board the plane will be Virgin employees, wearing suits and helmets. The plane just has to fly out of binocular vision. Sorted.

A plane will take off for the spectators' benefit, but the passengers won't be on it. The figures who actually board the plane will be Virgin employees, wearing suits and helmets. The plane just has to fly out of binocular vision. Sorted.

Then what will the real passengers be boarding?

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

Another great case of where possible is misconstrued to mean definite.

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

So if there are two planes out, won't the spectator's notice their friend's getting on the decoy plane?

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 06:33:47 PM

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

So if there are two planes out, won't the spectator's notice their friend's getting on the decoy plane?

The planes will not be together. The spectators will only ever see the flying plane, and the passengers will only ever see the decoy plane. The deception will not be difficult to pull off.

Another great case of where possible is misconstrued to mean definite.

'When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.'

You see? Even Sherlock would agree with me!

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 19, 2011, 07:19:14 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 06:33:47 PM

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

So if there are two planes out, won't the spectator's notice their friend's getting on the decoy plane?

The planes will not be together. The spectators will only ever see the flying plane, and the passengers will only ever see the decoy plane. The deception will not be difficult to pull off.

There is still the entire 2 hour flight profile that needs to be "simulated" for the passengers which includes the flight to 50,000 feet, separation from the mother ship, high g acceleration, several minutes of weightlessness, high g deceleration, glide back to the space port, landing and debarkation.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 08:35:46 PM

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 19, 2011, 07:19:14 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 06:33:47 PM

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

So if there are two planes out, won't the spectator's notice their friend's getting on the decoy plane?

The planes will not be together. The spectators will only ever see the flying plane, and the passengers will only ever see the decoy plane. The deception will not be difficult to pull off.

There is still the entire 2 hour flight profile that needs to be "simulated" for the passengers which includes the flight to 50,000 feet, separation from the mother ship, high g acceleration, several minutes of weightlessness, high g deceleration, glide back to the space port, landing and debarkation.

I think we've adequately covered all of this. Anything not directly dealt with has been covered by extension. My reasoning is irrefutable; it is plain stubbornness to keep believing in this hoax.

Quote from: markjo on January 19, 2011, 08:45:49 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 08:35:46 PM

Quote from: Nolhekh on January 19, 2011, 07:19:14 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 19, 2011, 06:33:47 PM

The paying passengers will board the decoy plane.

So if there are two planes out, won't the spectator's notice their friend's getting on the decoy plane?

The planes will not be together. The spectators will only ever see the flying plane, and the passengers will only ever see the decoy plane. The deception will not be difficult to pull off.

There is still the entire 2 hour flight profile that needs to be "simulated" for the passengers which includes the flight to 50,000 feet, separation from the mother ship, high g acceleration, several minutes of weightlessness, high g deceleration, glide back to the space port, landing and debarkation.

I think we've adequately covered all of this. Anything not directly dealt with has been covered by extension. My reasoning is irrefutable; it is plain stubbornness to keep believing in this hoax.

All that remains is for this to actually happen, and for them to get away with it!

I think we've adequately covered all of this. Anything not directly dealt with has been covered by extension. My reasoning is irrefutable; it is plain stubbornness to keep believing in this hoax.

Ego much?

I think we've adequately covered all of this. Anything not directly dealt with has been covered by extension. My reasoning is irrefutable; it is plain stubbornness to keep believing in this hoax.

You've covered individual phases of the flight plan, not the flight plan from start to finish.  Also, you "reasoning" is nothing but pure speculation (that is unless you are in on the hoax).