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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2011, 04:14:43 PM »
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At an altitude of 100km, Spaceship One was not held aloft through lift via the atmosphere.

Actually, it was. Spaceship One did not achieve Earth Orbit.
you misunderstand.  Spaceship One achieved freefall. After rocketing into space, or as you put it the upper atmosphere, the wings no longer supply lift to the vehicle, and it enters a projectile motion, going up at first but steadily accelerating downwards (during this period the pilot experiences weightlessness) until it reenters denser parts of the atmosphere, and the wings supply lift again.
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In fact, Spaceship One's trajectory was more or less straight up and down.  Not very conducive for generating lift, even in the denser atmosphere.

Spaceship One is an airplane with wings. It generated lift through the atmosphere. It is not possible to generate lift in a vacuum. Therefore Spaceship did not go into space, even if it came extremely close to it. 

See: Jeep-Boat analogy
  Yes it generated lift through the atmosphere, but after it rocketed into space, it followed a freefall trajectory which brought it back down into the atmosphere, where the wings then provided lift once again.  The process is referred to a sub-orbital spaceflight.  There is no intention in the flight to "stay aloft" while in space.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2011, 12:46:28 AM »
Quote from: Lasker on January 07, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
I've been visiting these forums (lurking, as you might say) for about a year.  I love spending time here and I think this website is the most fascinating display of self-deception I've ever seen.   If it ever shut down, it would be like my favorite museum closed.  I hope the forum archives stay on the internet forever.

FET has outlasted telescopes, Newtonian physics, modern astronomy, the widespread adoption of satellite technologies and even spaceflight.  How can you not root for it now?  I find it deeply troubling that as the number of private citizens in space goes from 10 to 1,000 to 100,000 over the next forty years, the final chapter in the hundred-plus year history of the FES will be written. 

For those of you that are genuinely frustrated by the existence of the website and spend time and energy trying to "debunk" it -- I think you are missing the point.  Enjoy FET while it lasts.  You will miss it when it is gone. 

Meh, I'll miss the people. sort of I kinda think Parsifal, John Davis, and a couple other old FE'ers are a cool guy. And of course Ellipses, Clocktower, and the other RE guys. But then again commercial spaceflight will be the only thing that will put it to bed forever, just like how the microscope proved cells
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2011, 06:06:50 AM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on January 14, 2011, 12:46:28 AM
But then again commercial spaceflight will be the only thing that will put it to bed forever, just like how the microscope proved cells

Commercial spaceflight has been a reality for over 50 years and it hasn't killed FET yet.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM »
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM »
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2011, 05:27:52 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

You'd get caught eventually, but this would be a great way to make money. We should do it.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2011, 06:04:31 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

Free fall, eh?  Yeah, that's the ticket.  All they would have to do is secretly launch the simulator into a parabolic trajectory that peaks around 110 km and that would simulate the profile exactly.  Nobody would suspect that it's a simulation.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2011, 06:06:45 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
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Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

Free fall, eh?  Yeah, that's the ticket.  All they would have to do is secretly launch the simulator into a parabolic trajectory that peaks around 110 km and that would simulate the profile exactly.  Nobody would suspect that it's a simulation.

Exactly. See, you're getting it.  :)
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
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Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

Free fall, eh?  Yeah, that's the ticket.  All they would have to do is secretly launch the simulator into a parabolic trajectory that peaks around 110 km and that would simulate the profile exactly.  Nobody would suspect that it's a simulation.

Exactly. See, you're getting it.  :)

They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2011, 07:12:33 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 06:04:31 PM
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Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

Free fall, eh?  Yeah, that's the ticket.  All they would have to do is secretly launch the simulator into a parabolic trajectory that peaks around 110 km and that would simulate the profile exactly.  Nobody would suspect that it's a simulation.

Exactly. See, you're getting it.  :)

They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

I think that people would feel a vertical wind tunnel.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2011, 07:15:49 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
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Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

Free fall, eh?  Yeah, that's the ticket.  All they would have to do is secretly launch the simulator into a parabolic trajectory that peaks around 110 km and that would simulate the profile exactly.  Nobody would suspect that it's a simulation.

Exactly. See, you're getting it.  :)

They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

I think that people would feel a vertical wind tunnel.

They'll probably require passengers to wear protective space suits, which will mask the feeling.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2011, 07:18:02 PM »
Some FErs believe spaceflight is not faked, and the earth simply looks spherical.

Or am I off?
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2011, 07:19:27 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The giant fan does not simulate zero gravity.  It simulates sky diving.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2011, 07:22:29 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The giant fan does not simulate zero gravity.  It simulates sky diving.

I am sure, with a little tweaking, the effect could be achieved.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2011, 07:23:23 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The giant fan does not simulate zero gravity.  It simulates sky diving.

I am sure, with a little tweaking, the effect could be achieved.

I'm not
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The giant fan does not simulate zero gravity.  It simulates sky diving.

I am sure, with a little tweaking, the effect could be achieved.

Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
They could simulate zero gravity using the technique used for 'indoor skydiving'.

The giant fan does not simulate zero gravity.  It simulates sky diving.

I am sure, with a little tweaking, the effect could be achieved.

I'm not

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2011, 07:29:22 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of elementary deduction, yes you could say so.

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.

Please explain.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

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Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.

Please explain.

If there was a giant fan or air vents, you'd see them. And hear them. And feel the vibrations.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2011, 07:58:13 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
If there was a giant fan or air vents, you'd see them. And hear them. And feel the vibrations.

Remember these suckers are paying ?200k a shot. Virgin can afford a state-of-the-art illusion. Of course you wouldn't see or hear or feel the vents.
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« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2011, 07:59:14 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:58:13 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
If there was a giant fan or air vents, you'd see them. And hear them. And feel the vibrations.

Remember these suckers are paying ?200k a shot. Virgin can afford a state-of-the-art illusion. Of course you wouldn't see or hear or feel the vents.

So you propose invisible air vents and fans?
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2011, 08:03:51 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:58:13 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
If there was a giant fan or air vents, you'd see them. And hear them. And feel the vibrations.

Remember these suckers are paying ?200k a shot. Virgin can afford a state-of-the-art illusion. Of course you wouldn't see or hear or feel the vents.

So you propose invisible air vents and fans?

Clearly they'll have to invest in super-quiet vents. As for visibility, they'll be hidden in a clever fashion. I would presume some form of virtual reality.
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2011, 08:12:40 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

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As far as it goes, my reasoning is watertight.
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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2011, 08:18:27 PM »
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

Fixed

As far as it goes, my reasoning is watertight.

Yes. A=B, and B=C, so A=D
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Re: Will Anyone Else Miss FET?
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2011, 08:21:20 PM »
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

Fixed

As far as it goes, my reasoning is watertight.

Yes. A=B, and B=C, so A=D

Do you, by any chance, work for Virgin?
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