Will Anyone Else Miss FET?

Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 08:12:40 PM

Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

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As far as it goes, my reasoning is watertight.

Yes. A=B, and B=C, so A=D

Do you, by any chance, work for Virgin?

I'm a student at a marine science school in Manahawkin, NJ

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 08:21:20 PM

Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 08:12:40 PM

Quote from: doyh on January 14, 2011, 07:53:26 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of proof-less conjecture, yes you can say so.

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As far as it goes, my reasoning is watertight.

Yes. A=B, and B=C, so A=D

Do you, by any chance, work for Virgin?

I'm a student at a marine science school in Manahawkin, NJ

Well if you were on the payroll of Virgin Galactic it would make sense to have a fake identity. An 'alibi' of sorts...

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of elementary deduction, yes you could say so.

Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM

Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.

Please explain.

This "simulator" is about the size of a small business jet and is attached to a larger airplane.  At what point does the giant fan come into play?

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of elementary deduction, yes you could say so.

Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM

Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.

Please explain.

This "simulator" is about the size of a small business jet and is attached to a larger airplane.  At what point does the giant fan come into play?

Right after the flying monkeys grab the simulator and keep it hovering above a thick cloud so people on the ground can't see it.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:27:05 PM

Not when you're inside a sealed cabin.

Please explain.

This "simulator" is about the size of a small business jet and is attached to a larger airplane.  At what point does the giant fan come into play?

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of elementary deduction, yes you could say so.

Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

Speculation based on the strictest, and thereby most compelling, principles of reasoning.

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

That still does not explain how the passengers inside the cabin are supposed to feel zero gravity.

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 03:45:15 PM

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Quote from: StephenFlatMan on January 14, 2011, 11:16:07 AM

I will, i already thought of what would happen when they relaise they're all wrong.

So did I. They'll say that its actually a movie playing in the window.

Yes, a simulator would be the easiest method of tricking people. $200k for a simulator ride? Richard Branson will be laughing all the way to the bank, all over again.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

Maybe free fall? My problem is that they would need absolutely perfect timing. If you feel yourself hit the ground a moment before you do, you'd know it was faked.

No. try faking a year on the moon. short of complete computer augmented reality, aka Limbo from "Inception", It'd be way to hard to fake

Some FErs believe spaceflight is not faked, and the earth simply looks spherical.

Or am I off?

Tom Bishop would have you believe that everyone believes in all of his theories just because he made a wiki

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 09:05:15 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Virgin Galactic seems quite sure.

Are you privy to Virgin Galactic's plans?

Through the use of elementary deduction, yes you could say so.

Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

Speculation based on the strictest, and thereby most compelling, principles of reasoning.

Only by comparison to daydreaming while high.

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

No need to appologize, they will simply drill a hole through the earth and drop the "shuttle" in. Once it decends so far, it will deploy UA catching wings and be accelerated upwards.  Then it's just a matter of catching the "shuttle" with a net. 

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

No need to appologize, they will simply drill a hole through the earth and drop the "shuttle" in. Once it decends so far, it will deploy UA catching wings and be accelerated upwards.  Then it's just a matter of catching the "shuttle" with a net. 

Of course. No one will notice this. Won't they feel themselves hitting the net?

This thread is a bit like someone predicting the end of the world. Its a really silly thing to do.

If FET ever did go the way of the dodo (although all the signs are the movement is gathering pace), then who would read this thread? There would be no FET for people to think hmmmm. He got that prediction right. But conversely if FET stands the test of time, well he gets made to look a bit silly.
Like the end of the earth, its making a bet you don't want to win.

This thread is a bit like someone predicting the end of the world. Its a really silly thing to do.

If FET ever did go the way of the dodo (although all the signs are the movement is gathering pace), then who would read this thread? There would be no FET for people to think hmmmm. He got that prediction right. But conversely if FET stands the test of time, well he gets made to look a bit silly.
Like the end of the earth, its making a bet you don't want to win.

Are you reading this? We aren't speculating about the end of FET. It decayed into people baselessly accusing Virgin Galactic of High Fraud.

Quote from: Pongo on January 15, 2011, 11:35:13 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

No need to appologize, they will simply drill a hole through the earth and drop the "shuttle" in. Once it decends so far, it will deploy UA catching wings and be accelerated upwards.  Then it's just a matter of catching the "shuttle" with a net. 

Of course. No one will notice this. Won't they feel themselves hitting the net?

Sure, but it will feel like touching down on a runway.

Quote from: doyh on January 15, 2011, 11:39:22 AM

Quote from: Pongo on January 15, 2011, 11:35:13 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

No need to appologize, they will simply drill a hole through the earth and drop the "shuttle" in. Once it decends so far, it will deploy UA catching wings and be accelerated upwards.  Then it's just a matter of catching the "shuttle" with a net.  

Of course. No one will notice this. Won't they feel themselves hitting the net?

Sure, but it will feel like touching down on a runway.

No. A plane touching down doesn't feel like hitting a net made of Spectra. Also, you'd die.

I will not miss FET.

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 05:47:31 PM

I'm sorry but how are they supposed to simulate several minutes of zero gravity?

No need to appologize, they will simply drill a hole through the earth and drop the "shuttle" in. Once it decends so far, it will deploy UA catching wings and be accelerated upwards.  Then it's just a matter of catching the "shuttle" with a net. 

UA in theory accelerates things at 9.81m/s/s.  If the craft were subjected to ua, it would merely experience a constant downward velocity relative to earth, since both earth and craft are accelerating at the same rate.

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 09:21:20 PM

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

That still does not explain how the passengers inside the cabin are supposed to feel zero gravity.

By the fan! I may not be able to provide you with a working model of the actual fact, but that is only because I am not in command of near-unlimited resources. Virgin Galactic is. And the fact that they're sufficiently confident to promote this hoax shows that they have ironed out any creases in the technology.

This thread is a bit like someone predicting the end of the world. Its a really silly thing to do.

If FET ever did go the way of the dodo (although all the signs are the movement is gathering pace), then who would read this thread? There would be no FET for people to think hmmmm. He got that prediction right. But conversely if FET stands the test of time, well he gets made to look a bit silly.
Like the end of the earth, its making a bet you don't want to win.

Not really. It's like predicting the SECOND end of the world. The movement is not gathering pace, only the site is, because its a great sight.

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 09:34:44 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 09:21:20 PM

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

That still does not explain how the passengers inside the cabin are supposed to feel zero gravity.

By the fan! I may not be able to provide you with a working model of the actual fact, but that is only because I am not in command of near-unlimited resources. Virgin Galactic is. And the fact that they're sufficiently confident to promote this hoax shows that they have ironed out any creases in the technology.

Are you suggesting that the fan will be inside the passenger cabin?  Wouldn't that give the whole thing away?

Giving people the illusion that they are in space isn't that hard. You just give them the experience they expect. Its been done by Channel 4 (UK) before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_(television_hoax)

The series described itself as the most elaborate hoax perpetrated in television history ... A group of twelve contestants (who answered an advert looking for "thrill seekers") were selected to become the first British televised space tourists, including going to Russia to train as cosmonauts at the "Space Tourist Agency of Russia" (STAR) military base, with the series culminating in a group of four embarking on a five-day space mission in low Earth orbit. The show and space mission contained aspects of Reality TV, including hidden cameras, soundproofed 'video diary' rooms and group dormitories ... However, the show was in fact an elaborate practical joke, described by Commissioning Editor Angela Jain as "Candid Camera live in space" and claimed by Channel 4 to have cost roughly 5million GBP.

I remember watching it. It was so funny. However it only cost 5million GBP to make 12 people believe that they were in space for 5 days. under half a mill each for 5 days. And Branson is only giving you a few hours for $200,000 a pop. He's going to make a killing from wealthy fools.
http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/


Watch this ... Round Earthers lol!

At what point did the producers of Space Cadets subject the participants to extended zero gravity?  Oh, that's right, they didn't.  From what I heard, they came up with some "artificial gravity" nonsense.  Also:

As the attention to detail in the hoaxed environment became clear, some viewers expressed suspicions - in particular on Channel 4's message board for the programme - that the entire show, including the apparent gullibility and abject ignorance of the Cadets, was in fact a double bluff; all the Cadets were actors and that the real target of "the biggest prank in television history" was the "gullible" viewing public

Giving people the illusion that they are in space isn't that hard. You just give them the experienc they expect. Its been done by the BBC before.

And Branson is only giving you a few hours for $200,000 a pop. He's going to make a killing from wealthy fools.
http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Yea, and before it's all done... he's gonna kill some wealthy fools.  

The conspiracy rumbles on eh Marco? I guess we will never know.

What on earth are you blithering on about?

First of all, we have been on the verge of civilian space travel since 1969.
 
Howard Hughes beat Branson to the punch on this bit of marketing by 40 years.
Just because Branson is the latest lunatic to pretend his cheesey brand will succeed, doesn't mean he will be any more successful. If he was serious, would he have asked Bert Rutan to design his space ship? A guy who builds aircraft the exact opposite way round to everyone else? Propellors at the back, horizontal stabilizer at the front, Rudders on the wings? He might just as well have asked George Lucas for a design.
Rutan's Long-EZ 61 below.

^ For the record, I have flown one of these myself (yes IRL!)
Nice toy, but not a mode of transport for the masses.

Pinning your hopes on this duo ... I can't even finish. And people laugh at FET!

How did I miss this thread and THIS post?

Ya hit a home run with this one! 

How did I miss this thread and THIS post?

Ya hit a home run with this one! 

I'm fairly prolific. Thanks.

Giving people the illusion that they are in space isn't that hard. You just give them the experience they expect. Its been done by Channel 4 (UK) before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_(television_hoax)

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The series described itself as the most elaborate hoax perpetrated in television history ... A group of twelve contestants (who answered an advert looking for "thrill seekers") were selected to become the first British televised space tourists, including going to Russia to train as cosmonauts at the "Space Tourist Agency of Russia" (STAR) military base, with the series culminating in a group of four embarking on a five-day space mission in low Earth orbit. The show and space mission contained aspects of Reality TV, including hidden cameras, soundproofed 'video diary' rooms and group dormitories ... However, the show was in fact an elaborate practical joke, described by Commissioning Editor Angela Jain as "Candid Camera live in space" and claimed by Channel 4 to have cost roughly 5million GBP.

I remember watching it. It was so funny. However it only cost 5million GBP to make 12 people believe that they were in space for 5 days. under half a mill each for 5 days. And Branson is only giving you a few hours for $200,000 a pop. He's going to make a killing from wealthy fools.
http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/


Watch this ... Round Earthers lol!

They picked stupid people for the experiment. look at the Wikipedia page.
And you are stupid too, because there is a huge difference between tricking people into going into a space mission that have "artificial gravity generators" and one without

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 16, 2011, 02:15:13 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 09:34:44 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 09:21:20 PM

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

That still does not explain how the passengers inside the cabin are supposed to feel zero gravity.

By the fan! I may not be able to provide you with a working model of the actual fact, but that is only because I am not in command of near-unlimited resources. Virgin Galactic is. And the fact that they're sufficiently confident to promote this hoax shows that they have ironed out any creases in the technology.

Are you suggesting that the fan will be inside the passenger cabin?  Wouldn't that give the whole thing away?

No the cabin will sit on top of the fan. The only tricky part will be the floor. I suppose most of the cabin floor will probably slide away to to reveal the fan, which will look identical to the floor. This interchange will occur whilst the passengers are fastened into their seats--their heads strapped to the headrests.

Quote from: markjo on January 17, 2011, 06:17:44 AM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 16, 2011, 02:15:13 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 14, 2011, 09:34:44 PM

Quote from: fluffycornsnake on January 14, 2011, 09:21:20 PM

Once the unsuspecting passengers are strapped inside the simulator, it can be quietly removed from the pretend airplane and plugged into the giant fan. All the while, the passengers inside will be enjoying a noisy, shaky virtual take-off, and will be none the wiser.

That still does not explain how the passengers inside the cabin are supposed to feel zero gravity.

By the fan! I may not be able to provide you with a working model of the actual fact, but that is only because I am not in command of near-unlimited resources. Virgin Galactic is. And the fact that they're sufficiently confident to promote this hoax shows that they have ironed out any creases in the technology.

Are you suggesting that the fan will be inside the passenger cabin?  Wouldn't that give the whole thing away?

No the cabin will sit on top of the fan. The only tricky part will be the floor. I suppose most of the cabin floor will probably slide away to to reveal the fan, which will look identical to the floor. This interchange will occur whilst the passengers are fastened into their seats--their heads strapped to the headrests.

So the hurricane force winds in a supposedly sealed cabin won't be the least bit suspicious?