Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2011, 12:20:30 AM »
It is well accepted that light from the moon is a result of biolumonence; probably fungus or bacteria. There are times however when the moon is brighter than normal. The brightness at these times most likely coincides with the feeding/breeding times of lunar crestation-like life. However, they use a light generating tenique known as sonoluminescence, much like the Alpheidae Shrimp here on earth. 

Now, you can't hear them because of the vaccum seperating the two bodies.  Being that these shrimp eat the fungas/bacteria, their light generating has evolved to kill the local biolumoncent life. The light created from sonoluminescence is the most likely cause of the plant killing effects of the moon that Ichi proved.  It's so effective at close range on the moon that the combined force of all these creatures is what kill earth-plants. 

These shrimp-like creatures, presumably, migrate across the surface of the moon as the local fungas/bacteria is in bloom.  This, combined, accounts for the moons waxing and waining.   

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The snapping shrimp competes with much larger animals like the Sperm Whale and Beluga Whale for the title of 'loudest animal in the sea'. The animal snaps a specialized claw shut to create a cavitation bubble that generates acoustic pressures of up to 80 kPa at a distance of 4 cm from the claw. As it extends out from the claw, the bubble reaches speeds of 60 miles per hour (97 km/h) and releases a sound reaching 218 decibels.[8] The pressure is strong enough to kill small fish.[9] It corresponds to a zero to peak pressure level of 218 decibels relative to one micropascal (dB re 1 ?Pa), equivalent to a zero to peak source level of 190 dB re 1 ?Pa at the standard reference distance of 1 m. Au and Banks measured peak to peak source levels between 185 and 190 dB re 1 ?Pa at 1 m, depending on the size of the claw.[10] Similar values are reported by Ferguson and Cleary.[11] The duration of the click is less than 1 millisecond.

The snap can also produce sonoluminescence from the collapsing cavitation bubble. As it collapses, the cavitation bubble reaches temperatures of over 5,000 K (4,700 °C).[12] In comparison, the surface temperature of the sun is estimated to be around 5,800 K (5,500 °C). The light is of lower intensity than the light produced by typical sonoluminescence and is not visible to the naked eye. It is most likely a by-product of the shock wave with no biological significance. However, it was the first known instance of an animal producing light by this effect. It has subsequently been discovered that another group of crustaceans, the mantis shrimp, contains species whose club-like forelimbs can strike so quickly and with such force as to induce sonoluminescent cavitation bubbles upon impact.[13]

The snapping is used for hunting (hence the alternative name "pistol shrimp"), as well as for communication. When feeding, the shrimp usually lies in an obscured spot, such as a burrow. The shrimp then extends its antennae outwards to determine if any fish are passing by. Once it feels movement, the shrimp inches out of its hiding place, pulls back its claw, and releases a "shot" which stuns the prey; the shrimp then pulls it to the burrow and feeds.

and you need bubbles for sonoluminesence, and normally achieved in water or a liquid. 

Sonoluminescence can occur when a sound wave of sufficient intensity induces a gaseous cavity within a liquid to collapse quickly. This cavity may take the form of a pre-existing bubble, or may be generated through a process known as cavitation. Sonoluminescence in the laboratory can be made to be stable, so that a single bubble will expand and collapse over and over again in a periodic fashion, emitting a burst of light each time it collapses. For this to occur, a standing acoustic wave is set up within a liquid, and the bubble will sit at a pressure anti-node of the standing wave. The frequencies of resonance depend on the shape and size of the container in which the bubble is contained.

Some facts about sonoluminescence:

The light flashes from the bubbles are extremely short—between 35 and a few hundred picoseconds long—with peak intensities of the order of 1–10 mW.
The bubbles are very small when they emit the light—about 1 micrometre in diameter—depending on the ambient fluid (e.g., water) and the gas content of the bubble (e.g., atmospheric air).
Single-bubble sonoluminescence pulses can have very stable periods and positions. In fact, the frequency of light flashes can be more stable than the rated frequency stability of the oscillator making the sound waves driving them. However, the stability analyses of the bubble show that the bubble itself undergoes significant geometric instabilities, due to, for example, the Bjerknes forces and Rayleigh–Taylor instabilities.
The addition of a small amount of noble gas (such as helium, argon, or xenon) to the gas in the bubble increases the intensity of the emitted light.
Spectral measurements have given bubble temperatures in the range from 2300 K to 5100 K, the exact temperatures depending on experimental conditions including the composition of the liquid and gas.[1] Detection of very high bubble temperatures by spectral methods is limited due to the opacity of liquids to short wavelength light characteristic of very high temperatures.

Writing in Nature, chemists David J. Flannigan and Kenneth S. Suslick describe a method of determining temperatures based on the formation of plasmas. Using argon bubbles in sulfuric acid, their data show the presence of ionized molecular oxygen O2+, sulfur monoxide, and atomic argon populating high-energy excited states, which confirms a hypothesis that the bubbles have a hot plasma core.[2] The ionization and excitation energy of dioxygenyl cations, which they observed, is 18 electronvolts. From this they conclude the core temperatures reaches at least 20,000
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2011, 05:53:32 AM »
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2011, 01:21:46 PM »
The light is of lower intensity than the light produced by typical sonoluminescence and is not visible to the naked eye

Is this moon shrimp or terrestrial shrimp you are citing?

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2011, 02:45:02 PM »
The light is of lower intensity than the light produced by typical sonoluminescence and is not visible to the naked eye

Is this moon shrimp or terrestrial shrimp you are citing?

Since no one has provided any empirical evidence that there is even such a thing as moon shrimp (let alone show that the moon has a liquid water environment for sonoluminescence to occur), I would guess that it applies to terrestrial shrimp.
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #94 on: February 10, 2011, 04:19:25 PM »
Oh man, what an entertaining thread this is! I love this concept of moon shrimp, and the recipes cited as evidence. Makes me hungry for some Bang Bang shrimp, mmm. It's not that I intend to seriously debate this theory, but I don't suppose the obvious explanation for that particular name, that they are basically little white crescent shapes, has occurred to anybody? Hmm. :P
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« Reply #95 on: February 10, 2011, 05:08:10 PM »
... ooooorrrrr they come from the moon and so are called moon shrimp. You have provided no evidence that their white crescent shape is the reason for their name, whilst flatly ignoring the mountains of evidence to show their lunar origins. How much empirical evidence do you need?

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #96 on: February 10, 2011, 05:25:49 PM »
Oh man, what an entertaining thread this is! I love this concept of moon shrimp, and the recipes cited as evidence. Makes me hungry for some Bang Bang shrimp, mmm. It's not that I intend to seriously debate this theory, but I don't suppose the obvious explanation for that particular name, that they are basically little white crescent shapes, has occurred to anybody? Hmm. :P
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« Reply #97 on: February 10, 2011, 05:38:56 PM »
You asked a question. I can clearly see a question mark in your post after the word 'anybody'. I respectfully answered your query. You then point out you do not wish to be spoken to be the likes of me. ???

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #98 on: February 10, 2011, 05:46:15 PM »
I meant no offense, Thork, I was just pointing out something that I personally found amusing with what I considered to be a rhetorical question, without actually arguing against anything. I just meant that it's the obvious explanation, that doesn't mean it's correct. When I stand outside, the obvious observation is that the world is flat, that doesn't mean it's correct. (It doesn't mean it's incorrect, either!) That's all.  :)

I do recommend Bang Bang shrimp though, if you haven't tried it.
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #99 on: February 10, 2011, 08:01:24 PM »
Is this what you Round Earthers do to a thread, when there are no Flat Earthers to pour scorn upon?

There are obviously no lions on the moon. That was ClockTower's trolling.
It does not rain Lions.
Lions don't eat shrimp.
There are no living quarters for lions on the moon.

You guys have the wildest imaginations. You'll be telling us all, the earth is round next!


Is this what you flat earthers do to a thread, when you can't take on a round earthers argument?
Clocktower said that the chances of a biomass of unintelligent life forms migrating in a circular path was highly unlikey. He then recieved a picture of a biomass moving in what, apparently percieved by the sender as a circular path. He then challenged the circularity (real word? idk, doesn't matter) of the path they were moving in. Now here 's where it get's fucked up. You FEers took his challenge as a statement; that it was indeed a cicular path. One of you then pointed out that part of the outline of this path looked roughly like a lions head. You then somehow jumped from that to believing that clocktower was suggesting that lion's live on the moon... wtf?! He challenged the idea that it was a circular path! It was the FEers that suggested it was circular in the first place, so if there's anyone who should be accused of believing in lion's on the moon it is the FEers! The entire process of determing that REers believe in lions on the moon was one of the most heinous crimes I've ever seen commited against the human minds ability to reason.

This had to be said.
With hope that the inclusion of your comments will not create need to move the thread, I will try to assist.

ITT: a logical advantage for FET relating to the shrimp/lion argument.  It's all in there. There was migration of terms prompted by the RE perspective that was merely responded to by the FE perspective. Then, FET produced a constructive and convincing case relative to that argument.       

For an argument to be convincing, it must be more than conjecture. You've still yet to even try to provide proof.

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2011, 12:55:30 AM »
The light is of lower intensity than the light produced by typical sonoluminescence and is not visible to the naked eye

Is this moon shrimp or terrestrial shrimp you are citing?

that part is of terrestrial shrimp, in which you claimed moon shrimp does a similar action

however, if you read the whole thing, you would realize that you need a fluid for sonoluminecence, as it is a compressing bubble
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2011, 01:50:22 AM »
The light is of lower intensity than the light produced by typical sonoluminescence and is not visible to the naked eye

Is this moon shrimp or terrestrial shrimp you are citing?

that part is of terrestrial shrimp, in which you claimed moon shrimp does a similar action

however, if you read the whole thing, you would realize that you need a fluid for sonoluminecence, as it is a compressing bubble


I say there is water on the moon, many members of The Flat Earth Society say there is water on the moon, hell, even NASA says there is water on the moon.  Apparently the only person who doesn't think that there is water on the moon is you.

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2011, 02:55:10 AM »
Water can exist in 3 states, you know that right? If it's in ice form, it gets more difficult for life to be there.
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« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2011, 04:31:12 AM »
Water can exist in 3 states, you know that right?
There are 4 states of matter. 5 if you count Bose-Einstein condensation.

Quote from: http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/states_of_matter.htm
Recently, scientists have discovered the Bose-Einstein condensate, which can be thought of as the opposite of a plasma. It occurs at ultra-low temperature, close to the point that the atoms are not moving at all. A Bose-Einstein condensate is a gaseous superfluid phase formed by atoms cooled to temperatures very near to absolute zero ... Under such conditions, a large fraction of the atoms collapse into the lowest quantum state, producing a superfluid.

A super-cold liquid close to absolute zero? That sounds like a place moon shrimp might live and swim. We need further research to ensure moon shrimp are indeed living in Bose-Einstein condensate water on the moon.
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2011, 06:35:12 AM »
When everything, including the shrimp is a block of ice with mo thermal energy, how does it still emit light?
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #105 on: February 12, 2011, 06:48:38 AM »
When everything, including the shrimp is a block of ice with mo thermal energy, how does it still emit light?
Well I just mentioned it might not be a block of ice. The water might well be a Bose-Einstein superfluid.

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #106 on: February 12, 2011, 08:04:34 AM »
I say there is water on the moon, many members of The Flat Earth Society say there is water on the moon, hell, even NASA says there is water on the moon. 

But is there liquid water on the moon?  Or do you have an example of sonoluminescence working in an ice water medium?
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« Reply #107 on: February 12, 2011, 08:14:03 AM »
I knew about plasm, but I didn't know about Bose-Einstein, thanks for the piece of info Thork. I could buy that as a living place for moon shrimps.
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« Reply #108 on: February 12, 2011, 08:21:38 AM »
I knew about plasm, but I didn't know about Bose-Einstein, thanks for the piece of info Thork. I could buy that as a living place for moon shrimps.
You are welcome. Yes, it seems most probable that they would live in a Bose-Einstein condensate superfluid.

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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #109 on: February 12, 2011, 09:05:35 AM »
I knew about plasm, but I didn't know about Bose-Einstein, thanks for the piece of info Thork. I could buy that as a living place for moon shrimps.

I wouldn't.  Bose-Einstein condensate only exists at temperatures a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.  The moon doesn't get anywhere near that cold.
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« Reply #110 on: February 12, 2011, 10:10:00 AM »
In the frame of FET, Markjo, we are unable to know the moon's temperature. 'Cause no one can go there to check it.
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« Reply #111 on: February 12, 2011, 10:25:01 AM »
In the frame of FET, Markjo, we are unable to know the moon's temperature. 'Cause no one can go there to check it.

Does the FE moon not emit electromagnetic radiation in the infrared band?
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« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2011, 10:49:29 AM »
What about it? I don't really know.
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #113 on: February 12, 2011, 11:26:40 AM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.
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« Reply #114 on: February 12, 2011, 11:42:26 AM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

....so you're saying there's a chance? :P
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« Reply #115 on: February 12, 2011, 12:38:28 PM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

....so you're saying there's a chance? :P

Yes.  It's about the same as the temperature of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
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« Reply #116 on: February 12, 2011, 02:48:38 PM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

Especially considering most, if not all, organisms exchange gases.

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« Reply #117 on: February 12, 2011, 03:10:01 PM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

Especially considering most, if not all, organisms exchange gases.
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« Reply #118 on: February 12, 2011, 03:16:50 PM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

Especially considering most, if not all, organisms exchange gases.
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In this case, the exchange of gases is more commonly known as breathing.
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Re: Sonoluminescence and Ichi's Plants
« Reply #119 on: February 12, 2011, 04:51:16 PM »
Also, it would be quite unlikely for life of any kind, let alone shrimp, to exist at a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero.

Especially considering most, if not all, organisms exchange gases.
Nobody wants to know about your dirty habits.
In this case, the exchange of gases is more commonly known as breathing.

Gross.