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miscquito

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Proof the Earth is round.
« on: September 18, 2010, 06:34:59 PM »


I can't wait to hear the FE'rs debunk this one.
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Maxine

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 07:07:49 PM »
Quote from: miscquito on September 18, 2010, 06:34:59 PM


I can't wait to hear the FE'rs debunk this one.

What's the proof here?  FEers can just produce their maps and draw arrows on it too... In fact, drawing straight lines on a map is more FE than RE.

If you're talking about circumnavigating the globe, they'll simply produce this:



....and claim that the route is circular.
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 07:38:21 PM »
Quote from: Maxine on September 18, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: miscquito on September 18, 2010, 06:34:59 PM


I can't wait to hear the FE'rs debunk this one.

What's the proof here?  FEers can just produce their maps and draw arrows on it too... In fact, drawing straight lines on a map is more FE than RE.

If you're talking about circumnavigating the globe, they'll simply produce this:



....and claim that the route is circular.


Actually they can't, I already debunked that map.. And time, speed, and distance is a critical flaw in FET. And so is the coordinate system they would have to use. And that is why the RE model is correct.
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Maxine

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 07:44:45 PM »
Quote from: TheJackel on September 18, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
Actually they can't, I already debunked that map.. And time, speed, and distance is a critical flaw in FET. And so is the coordinate system they would have to use. And that is why the RE model is correct.

True that, but it's as acceptable a proof as the original map, which is just as flawed, not to mention the straight lines superimposed upon it. I'm all of convincing proofs, but that just wasn't it.
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three-dimensional-world

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2010, 01:56:05 AM »
Quote from: miscquito on September 18, 2010, 06:34:59 PM


I can't wait to hear the FE'rs debunk this one.

Are you saying that you and your friend both walked half way around the world in opposite directions and met each other on the other side?
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2010, 07:57:51 PM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on September 21, 2010, 01:56:05 AM
Quote from: miscquito on September 18, 2010, 06:34:59 PM


I can't wait to hear the FE'rs debunk this one.

Are you saying that you and your friend both walked half way around the world in opposite directions and met each other on the other side?

Do you know how to sail? Do you even have a FE map with an accurate navigable coordinate system?
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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 12:52:47 AM »
Quote from: TheJackel on September 21, 2010, 07:57:51 PM
Do you know how to sail? Do you even have a FE map with an accurate navigable coordinate system?

Completely irrelevant. Whether or not FE'ers have done such a thing is independent of whether the Earth is flat or not.

Stop spamming.
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 01:09:04 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 22, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 21, 2010, 07:57:51 PM
Do you know how to sail? Do you even have a FE map with an accurate navigable coordinate system?

Completely irrelevant. Whether or not FE'ers have done such a thing is independent of whether the Earth is flat or not.

Stop spamming.

WRONG!  It's entirely relevant. Talk about looking for ignorant excuses. A Coordinate system actually proves which is correct and which isn't because only 1 is going to be globally accurate. Do try again, and let me know when you can keep up.

And it's not spamming. It's demanding you provide or concede. And since you can not provide, you obviously conceded with that incredible display of ignorance pleading.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 01:12:01 AM by TheJackel »
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three-dimensional-world

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 07:01:41 AM »
you can't prove a negative....
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 07:15:55 AM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on September 22, 2010, 07:01:41 AM
you can't prove a negative....

Sure I can:

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Your post
the Value of the FET if it can not establish itself
The quality of the average content here
Your failure in this argument
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM »
...That map looked flat to me.
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 07:28:10 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
...That map looked flat to me.
And how is that relevant?
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 07:33:46 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
...That map looked flat to me.
And how is that relevant?

Please disregard ClockTower's posts, he's just a troll who adds no genuine relevance to any thread in which he appears.
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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 07:34:41 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
...That map looked flat to me.
And how is that relevant?

Please disregard ClockTower's posts, he's just a troll who adds no genuine relevance to any thread in which he appears.
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 07:36:02 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
...That map looked flat to me.

Technically your computer screen is only 2 Dimensional, and your eyes a poorly adjusted to realize that's how you unfold a sphere in the 2d world. :)

 
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:26:25 AM
...That map looked flat to me.
And how is that relevant?

Please disregard ClockTower's posts, he's just a troll who adds no genuine relevance to any thread in which he appears.
I didn't think you could explain how it was relevant. Obviously something that appears flat need not be flat. Round object can be projected onto just 2 dimensions.

Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
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TheJackel

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.

Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2010, 07:52:41 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
Please post your question in the appropriate thread. Until you recant your conclusion, not just measurement, that M31 is 1mm wide, I'll be sure that others know of your lack of credibility.
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2010, 07:58:20 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:52:41 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
Please post your question in the appropriate thread. Until you recant your conclusion, not just measurement, that M31 is 1mm wide, I'll be sure that others know of your lack of credibility.

So you cannot deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was in fact measured to be 1mm across?  Can you provide any contradictory measurements accompanied with a correlating explanation of how you measured said galaxy?
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2010, 08:00:48 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:52:41 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
Please post your question in the appropriate thread. Until you recant your conclusion, not just measurement, that M31 is 1mm wide, I'll be sure that others know of your lack of credibility.

So you cannot deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was in fact measured to be 1mm across?  Can you provide any contradictory measurements accompanied with a correlating explanation of how you measured said galaxy?
Again, please post your question in the appropriate thread. That you measured it to be 1mm across is irrelevant without reasoning.
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM »
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.


Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:52:41 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
Please post your question in the appropriate thread. Until you recant your conclusion, not just measurement, that M31 is 1mm wide, I'll be sure that others know of your lack of credibility.

So you cannot deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was in fact measured to be 1mm across?  Can you provide any contradictory measurements accompanied with a correlating explanation of how you measured said galaxy?
Again, please post your question in the appropriate thread. That you measured it to be 1mm across is irrelevant without reasoning.

This is ridiculous.  You derail a thread by citing another then refuse to respond on the grounds of it being the wrong thread.  You yourself derailed it!!!

On topic, the relevance of the map looking flat is due to the fact that landmasses are more easily projected onto flat surfaces because they are in fact flat.
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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2010, 08:14:23 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:52:41 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 07:39:03 AM
Of course given that you claim that Andromeda Galaxy is just 1mm wide, we all realize your lack of credibility.

Do you deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was measured at 1mm across?  Have you conducted any measurements of your own or are you simply criticizing the real-life field work of others from the safety of your computer desk?  Quit derailing troll.
Please post your question in the appropriate thread. Until you recant your conclusion, not just measurement, that M31 is 1mm wide, I'll be sure that others know of your lack of credibility.

So you cannot deny that the Andromeda Galaxy was in fact measured to be 1mm across?  Can you provide any contradictory measurements accompanied with a correlating explanation of how you measured said galaxy?
Again, please post your question in the appropriate thread. That you measured it to be 1mm across is irrelevant without reasoning.

This is ridiculous.  You derail a thread by citing another then refuse to respond on the grounds of it being the wrong thread.  You yourself derailed it!!!

On topic, the relevance of the map looking flat is due to the fact that landmasses are more easily projected onto flat surfaces because they are in fact flat.
I did not derail the thread and refuse to contribute to your doing so.

On topic, there is no reason that the easiest way must be the only way.
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Pongo

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2010, 08:17:16 AM »
No, but there is also no reason why it shouldn't.  Your post is... irreverent.
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2010, 08:23:01 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
No, but there is also no reason why it shouldn't.  Your post is... irreverent.
Did I make a claim beyond pointing out that your claim was unsubstatiated? Oh that's right, you make claims regularly without evidence or reasoning. That's why you don't have any credibility.
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2010, 09:23:48 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.
Easy. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35034. Adjust your distance from the image to obtain whatever measurement you'd like.
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Ichimaru Gin :]

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2010, 09:25:43 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.
Easy. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35034. Adjust your distance from the image to obtain whatever measurement you'd like.
I believe he wants a measurement of a true hydrogen atom. Not a picture or model.
Just as the 1mm measurement of M31 was of the actual galaxy, not a picture or model.
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ClockTower

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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2010, 09:29:16 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on September 22, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.
Easy. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35034. Adjust your distance from the image to obtain whatever measurement you'd like.
I believe he wants a measurement of a true hydrogen atom. Not a picture or model.
Just as the 1mm measurement of M31 was of the actual galaxy, not a picture or model.
False. His measurement of M31 was of the image formed on his retina, if we are to believe him, that is. He did not measure M31 directly. If he wants to go to a facility with an electron microscope of the calibre of the article's, I'm sure he can repeat his fallicious measurement even more directly.
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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2010, 09:35:31 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on September 22, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.
Easy. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35034. Adjust your distance from the image to obtain whatever measurement you'd like.
I believe he wants a measurement of a true hydrogen atom. Not a picture or model.
Just as the 1mm measurement of M31 was of the actual galaxy, not a picture or model.
False. His measurement of M31 was of the image formed on his retina, if we are to believe him, that is. He did not measure M31 directly. If he wants to go to a facility with an electron microscope of the calibre of the article's, I'm sure he can repeat his fallicious measurement even more directly.
Strawtower, quite a shameful response. Using your argument, we can't ever truly measure an object now can we.
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Re: Proof the Earth is round.
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2010, 09:45:50 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on September 22, 2010, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on September 22, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on September 22, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Pongo on September 22, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: TheJackel on September 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Nope, I can measure anything to be 1mm across.. That include you.

That's certainly debatable.  I challenge you to measure a hydrogen atom at 1mm across.
Easy. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35034. Adjust your distance from the image to obtain whatever measurement you'd like.
I believe he wants a measurement of a true hydrogen atom. Not a picture or model.
Just as the 1mm measurement of M31 was of the actual galaxy, not a picture or model.
False. His measurement of M31 was of the image formed on his retina, if we are to believe him, that is. He did not measure M31 directly. If he wants to go to a facility with an electron microscope of the calibre of the article's, I'm sure he can repeat his fallicious measurement even more directly.
Strawtower, quite a shameful response. Using your argument, we can't ever truly measure an object now can we.
I agree that Pongo's approach is horrible. The scale and distance involved with any image must be considered in any indirect measurement. But you should address that concern to him. Please pay attetnion.
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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