Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.

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zork

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2010, 01:54:50 PM »
disproving
I very clearly called it not-disproving.
So, again you start picking about words. Whatever it is, disproving or not-disproving, this thread has nothing to do with anything which has "proving" in it. You repeatedly demonstrate that you fail to understand the thread. I am also quite glad that you are "outta here".

it was definitely you who started to nitpick about aeronaut and other things.
Very incorrect.
Totally correct.

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Did R go and talk with every aeronaut? No, of course not.
He's nitpicking on the word "aeronaut" which is completely irrelevant to the topic.
He doesn't nitpick about the word "aeronaut" in any way. It's the question. And the question which type have been asked many and many times by FEesrs. Did you go and asked from every pilot, did you go and checked every something did you... It's 100% not nitpicking but just a question. And quite a valid question.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2010, 02:01:38 PM »
disproving
I very clearly called it not-disproving.
So, again you start picking about words. Whatever it is, disproving or not-disproving, this thread has nothing to do with anything which has "proving" in it. You repeatedly demonstrate that you fail to understand the thread. I am also quite glad that you are "outta here".
The absolute opposite. I, for one, don't care how you call what ClockTower is attempting to do here. Invalidating, refuting, disproving, meh. Call it eating corndogs if it suits you, just stop bothering me with words. I really don't understand why you claim that I am the one nitpicking here.

it was definitely you who started to nitpick about aeronaut and other things.
Very incorrect.
Totally correct.
Not at all.

He doesn't nitpick about the word "aeronaut" in any way. It's the question. And the question which type have been asked many and many times by FEesrs. Did you go and asked from every pilot, did you go and checked every something did you... It's 100% not nitpicking but just a question. And quite a valid question.
It is a question, and that's absolutely fine. He also answers it, and is likely to be correct in his answer. However, using this to eat corndogs is completely invalid, because it doesn't apply to the premise if the wording is corrected, which is what I suggested.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #272 on: July 08, 2010, 02:33:48 PM »

He can't make that claim (unless he goes and talks with every one of them.)
Following that logic, you can't make the claim that a person can see the sky being blue unless you talk to each and every one of them. And guess what? Not every person will see the sky being blue, considering the fact that some won't see it at all. The "proof" of the fact that the sky is blue fails because it contains an unsupported premise.
You're absolutely right. If I claim that everyone can see that the sky is blue, I'm a fool. If I claim that I've proven that the sky is blue because every one has seen that it is blue, then I'm twice the fool. Hence I claim that Carpenter fails to prove his thesis. Got it now, I hope?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #273 on: July 08, 2010, 02:42:22 PM »
disproving
I very clearly called it not-disproving.
So, again you start picking about words. Whatever it is, disproving or not-disproving, this thread has nothing to do with anything which has "proving" in it. You repeatedly demonstrate that you fail to understand the thread. I am also quite glad that you are "outta here".
The absolute opposite. I, for one, don't care how you call what ClockTower is attempting to do here. Invalidating, refuting, disproving, meh. Call it eating corndogs if it suits you, just stop bothering me with words. I really don't understand why you claim that I am the one nitpicking here.
I get it, you don''t care about what the topic is, you just troll. Glad that you admit that.


He doesn't nitpick about the word "aeronaut" in any way. It's the question. And the question which type have been asked many and many times by FEesrs. Did you go and asked from every pilot, did you go and checked every something did you... It's 100% not nitpicking but just a question. And quite a valid question.
It is a question, and that's absolutely fine. He also answers it, and is likely to be correct in his answer. However, using this to eat corndogs is completely invalid, because it doesn't apply to the premise if the wording is corrected, which is what I suggested.
You are totally incorrect again. And again you start speaking about grammar. However you rearrange the words you don't prove anything with first claim. Because it's just not a proof and that's all. And this was also demonstrated. If you have any evidence that shows that all aeronauts see at all levels of altitude flat earth then please, do so. Otherwise just stop complaining about grammar and words.
 If you are interested why altitudes are important then please read Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #274 on: July 08, 2010, 02:48:48 PM »
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that this guy doesn't really understand physics. The laws of motion and optics are lost on him.

isn't that the point? If you ever hope to truly discover the world and how it works you must learn to clear your mind. Close out all of what you have been tought and observe with your own mind. You cannot see new things with old eyes.  If one person throughout history made a mistake you will never catch it. You are too busy quoting other scientist.
So the point of zeteticism, is to ignore other’s reality and substitute your own? The laws of optics and motion are very good approximates, and should be common sense. And what you said is ridiculous. Do you expect us to reinvent the wheel for everything? That’s impossible. That’s why we have a scientific community. Also, you’re assertion that nothing changes in science is blatantly wrong. Things are being improved on a weekly basis.
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The only way FE or RE will be proven is by those that let everything else go. Obviously science has failed thus far otherwise this forum would not exist. Think with your mind not with Newtons.
 Eh like I said in the other thread this place is not a FE society. In a real FE society this thread would have been eaten and spit back up. One guy runs around screaming Newton said so you are wrong and barely one person speaks up. Weak.
To let everything go? I’m sorry, but I don’t have time to rediscover physics, chemistry, and biology. And your mind can deceive you, see optical illusions. Also what is common sense, isn’t always what is right. It’s not weak, it is not the man we follow, but rather his ideas that have been verified so many times its not even funny. Most highschool physics classes offer experimental proof of the laws of motion. If you need more evidence, you need to LURK MOAR.
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 One day many of you will learn(most likely as you get older) that believing in something is what makes us human. You believe in a Round Earth, awesome, there is tons of proof of it. These other guys believe in a Flat earth. Even more awesome because they chose to question authority and not eat what has been spoon fed to them. If it was not for these type people we would all still be living in caves.
 Do you think Columbus understood Physics? Think he cared? (no I do not think Columbus was the first to sail around the world)
 I do believe this is all a guise for RE. These entire forums.
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Yay contradicting the norm is fun!!! Let’s be modernists and stick it to the man! Authority is some evil entity, and therefore should be denied.
/sarcasm
The scientific community isn’t one person, but many people. If you want to avoid all of it, more power to you. But in the end, if your pseudoscience leads to no reliable constructions, inventions, or predictions, then we know in the end who is the victor.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #275 on: July 08, 2010, 03:10:09 PM »
ITT: FE'ers evacuating their bowels upon their own pants.

This thread belongs in RM. 100 proofs have not failed, they have just been poked with a plastic knife.
you mad.
you mad that your pride and joy was destroyed by on person in the span of a few days. I've read all 100 of CT's disproofs, and although he does make a few mistakes, in everysingle one, he provides sufficient debunk of the proof. If you read the proofs, you will see that all of them are wrong.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
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Johannes

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #276 on: July 08, 2010, 04:16:10 PM »
ITT: FE'ers evacuating their bowels upon their own pants.

This thread belongs in RM. 100 proofs have not failed, they have just been poked with a plastic knife.
you mad.
you mad that your pride and joy was destroyed by on person in the span of a few days. I've read all 100 of CT's disproofs, and although he does make a few mistakes, in everysingle one, he provides sufficient debunk of the proof. If you read the proofs, you will see that all of them are wrong.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
All this proves is that you are as ignorant as ClockTower.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #277 on: July 08, 2010, 04:18:51 PM »
My favorite "proof" is the one that goes like "If the earth was round, walls of buildings would not be parallel." 
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #278 on: July 08, 2010, 04:23:16 PM »
ITT: FE'ers evacuating their bowels upon their own pants.

This thread belongs in RM. 100 proofs have not failed, they have just been poked with a plastic knife.
you mad.
you mad that your pride and joy was destroyed by on person in the span of a few days. I've read all 100 of CT's disproofs, and although he does make a few mistakes, in everysingle one, he provides sufficient debunk of the proof. If you read the proofs, you will see that all of them are wrong.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
All this proves is that you are as ignorant as ClockTower.
<blush> My, thank you for the kind words. To be put in the same category of VoR is quite the compliment.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #279 on: July 08, 2010, 04:28:23 PM »
disproving
I very clearly called it not-disproving.
So, again you start picking about words. Whatever it is, disproving or not-disproving, this thread has nothing to do with anything which has "proving" in it. You repeatedly demonstrate that you fail to understand the thread. I am also quite glad that you are "outta here".
The absolute opposite. I, for one, don't care how you call what ClockTower is attempting to do here. Invalidating, refuting, disproving, meh. Call it eating corndogs if it suits you, just stop bothering me with words. I really don't understand why you claim that I am the one nitpicking here.
I get it, you don''t care about what the topic is, you just troll. Glad that you admit that.
Where did you get that from? All I said is that I do not care how you call ClockTower's activity, as opposed to your claim that it is crucial to me and that I am nitpicking on the words. It was bad when I called it disproving, very bad when I referred to it as invalidating, not-disproving apparently doesn't work either. So yeah, now I'm saying ClockTower is eating corndogs.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
That sounds much more logical to me. I would disagree that it invalidates the original claim eats corndogs, but I do agree with what you said.
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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #280 on: July 08, 2010, 05:13:29 PM »
ITT: FE'ers evacuating their bowels upon their own pants.

This thread belongs in RM. 100 proofs have not failed, they have just been poked with a plastic knife.
you mad.
you mad that your pride and joy was destroyed by on person in the span of a few days. I've read all 100 of CT's disproofs, and although he does make a few mistakes, in everysingle one, he provides sufficient debunk of the proof. If you read the proofs, you will see that all of them are wrong.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
All this proves is that you are as ignorant as ClockTower.
Or that I am as troll resistant

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #281 on: July 08, 2010, 05:14:41 PM »
This thread belongs in RM. 100 proofs have not failed, they have just been poked with a plastic knife.
This is a debate and should be kept where it is. If you are too stupid/biased/both to realize how wrong these "proofs" are, then that's your own damn problem. If threads that shouldn't get moved get moved, then what would encourage new people who might be stupid enough to believe want to post?

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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #282 on: July 08, 2010, 05:16:56 PM »
disproving
I very clearly called it not-disproving.
So, again you start picking about words. Whatever it is, disproving or not-disproving, this thread has nothing to do with anything which has "proving" in it. You repeatedly demonstrate that you fail to understand the thread. I am also quite glad that you are "outta here".
The absolute opposite. I, for one, don't care how you call what ClockTower is attempting to do here. Invalidating, refuting, disproving, meh. Call it eating corndogs if it suits you, just stop bothering me with words. I really don't understand why you claim that I am the one nitpicking here.
I get it, you don''t care about what the topic is, you just troll. Glad that you admit that.
Where did you get that from? All I said is that I do not care how you call ClockTower's activity, as opposed to your claim that it is crucial to me and that I am nitpicking on the words. It was bad when I called it disproving, very bad when I referred to it as invalidating, not-disproving apparently doesn't work either. So yeah, now I'm saying ClockTower is eating corndogs.

@PP
Its been a misunderstanding, don't you see?
ClockTower was just saying that, because Carpenter claims that the aeronaut can see the earth as flat, doesn't mean that it IS.
That sounds much more logical to me. I would disagree that it invalidates the original claim eats corndogs, but I do agree with what you said.
That was the premise of proof one. without the premise, the proof is not good. now granted, this doesn't disprove FE, but it does debunk Carpenter's 1st proof, which was CT's only intention

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #283 on: July 09, 2010, 02:04:44 AM »
I get it, you don''t care about what the topic is, you just troll. Glad that you admit that.
Where did you get that from? All I said is that I do not care how you call ClockTower's activity, as opposed to your claim that it is crucial to me and that I am nitpicking on the words. It was bad when I called it disproving, very bad when I referred to it as invalidating, not-disproving apparently doesn't work either. So yeah, now I'm saying ClockTower is eating corndogs.
  Yes, you are nitpicking about words, these are the only ones that matter to you. You don't talk about anything else and for you doesn't matter what about that thread is. You just talk about words. If you would care busting Cloctower and arguing for Carpenter then you would show us that there is some basis in the claim that all aeronauts see at all levels of altitude the flat earth. But you don't. You ignore that and start again talk about the words and what they mean.  And that is trolling. So, please. Start talking about the first claim and how you support it, not what the words meant to you.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #284 on: July 09, 2010, 12:36:17 PM »
I get it, you don''t care about what the topic is, you just troll. Glad that you admit that.
Where did you get that from? All I said is that I do not care how you call ClockTower's activity, as opposed to your claim that it is crucial to me and that I am nitpicking on the words. It was bad when I called it disproving, very bad when I referred to it as invalidating, not-disproving apparently doesn't work either. So yeah, now I'm saying ClockTower is eating corndogs.
  Yes, you are nitpicking about words, these are the only ones that matter to you. You don't talk about anything else and for you doesn't matter what about that thread is. You just talk about words. If you would care busting Cloctower and arguing for Carpenter then you would show us that there is some basis in the claim that all aeronauts see at all levels of altitude the flat earth. But you don't. You ignore that and start again talk about the words and what they mean.  And that is trolling. So, please. Start talking about the first claim and how you support it, not what the words meant to you.
Oh, okay, so now you know my intentions better than I do. Fair enough. Plus, I've already done what you asked for, and I'm no longer awaiting response, because I am fairly confident that there isn't one. As stated many times before, I feel no further need to debate this.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #285 on: July 09, 2010, 03:09:03 PM »
Plus, I've already done what you asked for, and I'm no longer awaiting response, because I am fairly confident that there isn't one. As stated many times before, I feel no further need to debate this.
  Debate what? Where did you provide some evidence that all who go up to whatever altitude see always flat earth? Nowhere. So, yes, You just can't debate anything more here than grammar and semantics and it's better without this kind of debate.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #286 on: July 09, 2010, 03:52:00 PM »
Plus, I've already done what you asked for, and I'm no longer awaiting response, because I am fairly confident that there isn't one. As stated many times before, I feel no further need to debate this.
  Debate what? Where did you provide some evidence that all who go up to whatever altitude see always flat earth? Nowhere. So, yes, You just can't debate anything more here than grammar and semantics and it's better without this kind of debate.
What?

That was the premise of proof one. without the premise, the proof is not good. now granted, this doesn't disprove FE, but it does debunk Carpenter's 1st proof, which was CT's only intention
That's fair enough, thanks for clarifying. I still think it's not really the best of possible approaches, but it's justifiable that way.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #287 on: July 10, 2010, 11:57:59 AM »
Plus, I've already done what you asked for, and I'm no longer awaiting response, because I am fairly confident that there isn't one. As stated many times before, I feel no further need to debate this.
  Debate what? Where did you provide some evidence that all who go up to whatever altitude see always flat earth? Nowhere. So, yes, You just can't debate anything more here than grammar and semantics and it's better without this kind of debate.
What?

That was the premise of proof one. without the premise, the proof is not good. now granted, this doesn't disprove FE, but it does debunk Carpenter's 1st proof, which was CT's only intention
That's fair enough, thanks for clarifying. I still think it's not really the best of possible approaches, but it's justifiable that way.
and with proof one gone, feel free to argue with debunk #2

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #288 on: July 11, 2010, 08:52:50 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.

- The concept of "Gravity" is absurd and unproven. Newton never gave a mechanism for his absurd theory. "Gravitons" have never been discovered, and the bending of space has never been demonstrated true.

- There are various experiments which back up Carpenter's claim of viewing across distances which should be unviewable on a round world.

- It does not follow that the Earth is round because Jupiter is round.

- Clearly, it's the stars which move across the sky. The pretense in astronomical observation is that the stars are moving, not that the earth is moving. The assumption that the earth is moving is fallacious an without merit. The burden is on globularists to demonstrate their idea correct. We can visibly see that the stars are moving.

- Fewer species of plant life in the southern hemisphere does suggest that the earth is a plane, the sun circling around the North Pole. Indeed, it is said that less than 10% of the human population even lives in the southern hemisphere, the majority of life taking place above the equator.

Why should this be if the environments are perfectly equal?

- The pretense of human reality is that we exist on a flat plane with astronomical bodies passing by overhead. The idea that the earth is a ball whirling and twirling through space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated.

The burden of evidence is on the absurdists about their crackpot ideas about a ball earth.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #289 on: July 11, 2010, 09:57:25 PM »
It's really Easy kids, What time of day is it on the opposite side of the planet LOL.. According to flat earth, the sun at set would be a sunset for the entire planet at the same time.. A total eclipse would be an eclipse for the entire planet.. Sorry, but the logic of this discussion is as about as unintelligent as it gets. And the sun wouldn't be moving over from east to west either only to arise in the east once again. I shouldn't be able to stand in Japan and have it be midnight while the sun is high in the sky back home in Minnesota...Nor would the stars magically be different. When you people can actually talk like you have an education, you might actually figure out what reality is and why the Earth is in fact a Sphere.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #290 on: July 11, 2010, 10:24:56 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.

No aeronaut in the 1800s could fly high enough to see the curvature of the earth.

- The concept of "Gravity" is absurd and unproven. Newton never gave a mechanism for his absurd theory. "Gravitons" have never been discovered, and the bending of space has never been demonstrated true.

The concept of gravity is no more absurd, or less proven, than the concept of universal acceleration.

- There are various experiments which back up Carpenter's claim of viewing across distances which should be unviewable on a round world.

That is unless you take into account various atmospheric refractive phenomena which could explain such observations.

- Clearly, it's the stars which move across the sky. The presence in astronomical observation is that the stars are moving, not that the earth is moving. The assumption that the stars are moving is fallacious an without merit. The burden is on globularists to demonstrate their idea correct. We can visibly see that the stars are moving.

Please read up on stellar aberration: http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s2-05/2-05.htm

- Fewer species plant life in the southern hemisphere does suggest that the earth is a plane, the sun circling around the North Pole.

Or, it could suggest that the southern hemisphere has not been as thoroughly explored as the norther hemisphere.

Indeed, it is said that less than 10% of the human population even lives in the southern hemisphere, the majority of life taking place above the equator.

Why should this be if the environments are perfectly equal?

Appeal to popularity?

- The pretense of human reality is that we exist on a flat plane with astronomical bodies passing by overhead. The idea that the earth is a ball whirling and twirling to space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated.

No more absurd that the arrogance of believing that the earth is the center of the universe.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #291 on: July 11, 2010, 11:41:27 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.

- The concept of "Gravity" is absurd and unproven. Newton never gave a mechanism for his absurd theory. "Gravitons" have never been discovered, and the bending of space has never been demonstrated true.

- There are various experiments which back up Carpenter's claim of viewing across distances which should be unviewable on a round world.

- It does not follow that the Earth is round because Jupiter is round.

- Clearly, it's the stars which move across the sky. The presence in astronomical observation is that the stars are moving, not that the earth is moving. The assumption that the stars are moving is fallacious an without merit. The burden is on globularists to demonstrate their idea correct. We can visibly see that the stars are moving.

- Fewer species plant life in the southern hemisphere does suggest that the earth is a plane, the sun circling around the North Pole. Indeed, it is said that less than 10% of the human population even lives in the southern hemisphere, the majority of life taking place above the equator.

Why should this be if the environments are perfectly equal?

- The pretense of human reality is that we exist on a flat plane with astronomical bodies passing by overhead. The idea that the earth is a ball whirling and twirling to space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated.

The burden of evidence is on the absurdists about their crackpot ideas about a ball earth.

You had to be that guy.

which of the above points disprove the roundness of the earth??

Did robow interview ever astronaut? and just because none so far had seen it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. i.e. just because we haven't seen aliens, doesn't mean they don't exist.
And your thing on gravity is just a fallacy of personal incredulity.
How is it any more absurd than electric force, before the photon was discovered to be that force bearer?
And how exactly has space not been demonstrated to be curved. the proof is in gravitational lensing.

And there are several modern day claims which debunk that with much better equipment.

It follows that if a big mass turns into a sphere, another big mass will too.

And no, it is clear that we are rotating, see pendulum. lrn2relative motion.

And the fact that humans live on one hemisphere mainly, you don't think might be because LANDMASSES ARE MOSTLY ON THE NORTH HEMISPHERE?

And you give an appeal to nature. it is natural that we live on a geoid and that we rotate along the sun. I'm afraid that it is your theory that is crackpot.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #292 on: July 12, 2010, 02:31:21 AM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.
It may be the only correct thing in Carpenters list at that time, but we are not at 1800's anymore. And rest of it wasn't correct at 1800's and it isn't correct now. When you upgrade your education from middle ages level to 21 century level?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #293 on: July 12, 2010, 02:54:21 AM »
What? They had boeings in the 18th century? :O
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Why? You a pedo out for delicious loli?
Sure, whatever

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #294 on: July 12, 2010, 12:56:56 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.
It may be the only correct thing in Carpenters list at that time, but we are not at 1800's anymore. And rest of it wasn't correct at 1800's and it isn't correct now. When you upgrade your education from middle ages level to 21 century level?
he clearly trolling, or insane. Don't listen to him or let him derail the thread
Remember, this is the guy who thinks that photosynthesis is an "idiotic myth"

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zork

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #295 on: July 12, 2010, 01:59:20 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.
It may be the only correct thing in Carpenters list at that time, but we are not at 1800's anymore. And rest of it wasn't correct at 1800's and it isn't correct now. When you upgrade your education from middle ages level to 21 century level?
he clearly trolling, or insane. Don't listen to him or let him derail the thread
Remember, this is the guy who thinks that photosynthesis is an "idiotic myth"
No, he is Tom Bishop. It's kind of term in itself in FE forum. You can only define it for yourself if you have been around long enough.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #296 on: July 12, 2010, 08:35:58 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.
It may be the only correct thing in Carpenters list at that time, but we are not at 1800's anymore. And rest of it wasn't correct at 1800's and it isn't correct now. When you upgrade your education from middle ages level to 21 century level?
he clearly trolling, or insane. Don't listen to him or let him derail the thread
Remember, this is the guy who thinks that photosynthesis is an "idiotic myth"
No, he is Tom Bishop. It's kind of term in itself in FE forum. You can only define it for yourself if you have been around long enough.
True. I see him as being the concise version of Leevee, and the less picky version of Parsifal.
In a way, he is FE

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #297 on: July 12, 2010, 08:38:06 PM »
Tom Bishop has always been FE.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #298 on: July 13, 2010, 02:54:23 PM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.


Why speak of a man's writings as correct if they are totally outdated and irrelevant? There was also no observation of Pluto back then, either, so I guess if he said there was no Pluto he would have been correct, too? Obviously people have seen curvature now, and so this discredits the obvious implication he was making that no curvature exists.

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- The concept of "Gravity" is absurd and unproven. Newton never gave a mechanism for his absurd theory. "Gravitons" have never been discovered, and the bending of space has never been demonstrated true.


Can you give a reason as to why it is absurd, or is it just your opinion? The lack of a mechanism doesn't indicate that we don't have a pretty good working model. Newton's inverse square law describes the motion of nearby heavenly bodies to great accuracy. Using the gravitational potential energies, it predicted that orbits would be elliptical, circular, parabolic, or hyperbolic depending on the masses, and this is what is observed. I wouldn't exactly call a precise (albeit inaccurate for certain extreme conditions) mathematical model that generates testable predictions "absurd."

Another thing: if the lack of a discovered mechanism/graviton is a problem for gravity, what would you say about the mechanism for all the stars revolving around us in FET? Or UA, or bendy light, or any of the other extra things in FET that apparently don't need mechanisms as badly as gravity does?

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- Clearly, it's the stars which move across the sky. The pretense in astronomical observation is that the stars are moving, not that the earth is moving. The assumption that the earth is moving is fallacious an without merit. The burden is on globularists to demonstrate their idea correct. We can visibly see that the stars are moving.


So, the stars move across the sky? What would it look like if the earth was actually rotating? Exactly as it does now? Oh, okay. Well, we have plenty of evidence indicating that the earth is far, far, far more likely to be rotating than the stars are to be orbiting us.

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- Fewer species of plant life in the southern hemisphere does suggest that the earth is a plane, the sun circling around the North Pole. Indeed, it is said that less than 10% of the human population even lives in the southern hemisphere, the majority of life taking place above the equator.

Human migration patterns are irrelevant. There are some species that only reside in the southern hemisphere. And there are some that only reside in the northern hemisphere. Plus, 70% of the earth's land area is in the northern hemisphere in RET, so in fact we would on average expect an uneven distribution according to your logic.

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- The pretense of human reality is that we exist on a flat plane with astronomical bodies passing by overhead. The idea that the earth is a ball whirling and twirling to space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated.

The burden of evidence is on the absurdists about their crackpot ideas about a ball earth.

You can make any idea sound absurd by caricaturing it in any way you want. Atomic theory is even more absurd when you think about it; common sense will not get you very far in science. We evolved in a world where we didn't care about atomic theory or cosmological expansion or other planets or anything, just hunting and gathering on a very small part of the world which happens to look flat from our vantage point but round from high vantage points.
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Re: Carpenter's 100 Proofs, one at a time.
« Reply #299 on: July 14, 2010, 07:59:42 AM »
Much of what Carpenter says is correct.

- No aeronaut in the 1800's saw curvature to the earth.
Not proof that the earth is flat.

- The concept of "Gravity" is absurd and unproven. Newton never gave a mechanism for his absurd theory. "Gravitons" have never been discovered, and the bending of space has never been demonstrated true.
Not proof that the earth is flat.  Same thing can be said about the mechanism that is pushes the earth up.

- There are various experiments which back up Carpenter's claim of viewing across distances which should be unviewable on a round world.
I've yet to hear of one that isn't explainable on a round earth.

- It does not follow that the Earth is round because Jupiter is round.
This is not proof that the earth is flat.

- The pretense of human reality is that we exist on a flat plane with astronomical bodies passing by overhead. The idea that the earth is a ball whirling and twirling to space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated.
The idea that the earth is a flat plane speeding through space at immeasurable speeds is absurd and undemonstrated

The burden of evidence is on the absurdists about their crackpot ideas about a ball earth.
The burden of evidence is on the person who claims to have proof and Carpenter supplied no evidence.
I have to say, I'm enjoying the name calling you're bringing to the table.  It's almost like you're trying to make one side look ridiculous.
By eliminating all present contradicting possibilities you would arrive at the present truth. It's impossible to arrive at a future truth.