Flight Times?

Planes don't have a wake that is flyable behind, it's a mess of turbulence.


As for the speeds, ofcourse they can obtain multiple speeds, but they are not, and are nowhere near, the speeds that is required for FET.

You seriously just pulled that out of your ass, didn't you?  If that's the case, don't you think people would have reported a huge fucking flock of birds pushing a 747?  I know if I was on a flight and looked out the window to see a shit load of birds pushing the plane, I'd not only tell someone, I'd take some pictures.  I take it you have pictures of the phenomena?  I mean, if it's as common as you suggest.

Sadly, due to the ease and accessibility of modern photo-editing software, photo's aren't submittable as evidence.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:15:13 AM

You seriously just pulled that out of your ass, didn't you?  If that's the case, don't you think people would have reported a huge fucking flock of birds pushing a 747?  I know if I was on a flight and looked out the window to see a shit load of birds pushing the plane, I'd not only tell someone, I'd take some pictures.  I take it you have pictures of the phenomena?  I mean, if it's as common as you suggest.

Sadly, due to the ease and accessibility of modem photo-editing software, photo's aren't submittable as evidence.

So what do you offer as evidence of thousands of huge flocks of birds, only in the southern hemisphere, mind you, pushing jumbo jets, that proves your little BS claim?

Sadly, due to the ease and accessibility of modem photo-editing software, photo's aren't submittable as evidence.

And thus the conspiracy gets larger.

Everyone and their dog now edit out the birds in photos of planes flying.

Look at how easily things can be edited out of pics now...it's scary.

Look at how easily things can be edited out of pics now...it's scary.

But why would the little grandma taking a flight want to edit out the birds she sees?

Hell, she probably still uses film, how does one fix the negative?


People have the means to do this, but they lack the motive.
The only people with motive for this are the people in the conspiracy.
Just because photos can be edited, doesn't mean people wouldn't say things about the flock of 500 birds up the planes ass.

I've yet to see a commercial plane break the sound barrier, as would be required for Southern Hemisphere travel.

Planes don't have a wake that is flyable behind, it's a mess of turbulence.


As for the speeds, ofcourse they can obtain multiple speeds, but they are not, and are nowhere near, the speeds that is required for FET.

What speed is required for FET?

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:23:34 AM

Planes don't have a wake that is flyable behind, it's a mess of turbulence.


As for the speeds, ofcourse they can obtain multiple speeds, but they are not, and are nowhere near, the speeds that is required for FET.

What speed is required for FET?

If I take the North pole at the center, atleast 4x the speeds they fly at currently.

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 07:17:23 AM

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:23:34 AM

Planes don't have a wake that is flyable behind, it's a mess of turbulence.


As for the speeds, ofcourse they can obtain multiple speeds, but they are not, and are nowhere near, the speeds that is required for FET.

What speed is required for FET?

If I take the North pole at the center, atleast 4x the speeds they fly at currently.

Why?

Because it's observed that the distances are about 4x what the are compared to RE.

Time remains constant, distance increases, speed must also increase proportionally.

I thought even you would figure that.

Because it's observed that the distances are about 4x what the are compared to RE.

What distances?

Australia to South Africa

South Africa to South America

South America to New Zealand


You know where those are, right?

Australia to South Africa

South Africa to South America

South America to New Zealand


You know where those are, right?

A distance is usually path dependent.

Good thing they have flight paths then

For Southern hemisphere flights thats probably in the right ball park, although obviously there has to be some account for the fact that we not know exactly where everything is. The best way to some constraints on this is to see if you can close the triangle. Take three popular air routes that form a large triangle. The large is important because it will tend to convolve out any uncertainties in flight speed, effects of acceleration/climbing to cruse altitude. I'd suggest something like New York - Buenos Aries - Sydney, something like that. If you assume that aircraft travel at about 500 mph, look at the flight times and see how far apart they are. If the resulting triangle doesn't close then the Earth isn't flat. Though its possible the errors would be to big even with those differences, particularly as I don'y know how close to the shortest route planes fly in practise, certainly jetstream cause them to adjust.

We can say something about where things are using natural phenomena, for example tracking migratory animals around the oceans. I guess marine biologists might be in on it. I think the tsunamis of recent years also provide some nice evidence. The last one in Chilli caused small tsunamis/anomalously high tides around the Pacific rim, the times of these can be quite accurately tracked by their trail of destruction/media coverage/surf report. Again I would argue that the times were indicative of a round Earth. Or at least a Pacific ocean where NewZealand was much closer to South America than Japan.

Good thing they have flight paths then

How about Sydney to Santiago de Chile?

I'd suggest something like New York - Buenos Aries - Sydney, something like that.

Please find a nonstop flight from New York to Sydney.

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 07:42:12 AM

Good thing they have flight paths then

How about Sydney to Santiago de Chile?

Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2010, 07:46:37 AM

I'd suggest something like New York - Buenos Aries - Sydney, something like that.

Please find a nonstop flight from New York to Sydney.

I'm sure you can get somewhere in South America from New York, if not try a  European city, theres plenty

Quote from: parsec on April 29, 2010, 09:12:01 AM

Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2010, 07:46:37 AM

I'd suggest something like New York - Buenos Aries - Sydney, something like that.

Please find a nonstop flight from New York to Sydney.

I'm sure you can get somewhere in South America from New York, if not try a  European city, theres plenty

Is this what I asked you? You said we need to make a triangle? Then we need to connect each city with the other two.

London - Tokyo - Sydney all exist, two of those I have done personally (although my Sydney flight stopped) I believe direct does exist possibly a fuel stop would have to be factored. Thats why I suggested new York,a bit closer to Australia, but its possible that a flight to South America doesn't exist. I would be preferable to do South America, Europe and Australia as this would give the largest lever arm

Because it's observed that the distances are about 4x what the are compared to RE.

Time remains constant, distance increases, speed must also increase proportionally.

I thought even you would figure that.

You're neglecting the use of so-called "great circle flying". Take the flight paths of planes and apply them to a map of the Flat Earth, you'll see that often when they claim to be taking a giant curve they're taking a straight line of equivalent distance.

London - Tokyo - Sydney all exist, two of those I have done personally (although my Sydney flight stopped) I believe direct does exist possibly a fuel stop would have to be factored. Thats why I suggested new York,a bit closer to Australia, but its possible that a flight to South America doesn't exist. I would be preferable to do South America, Europe and Australia as this would give the largest lever arm

Sydney is not in South America.

Ah yes the probably needed a semi-colon I was starting a new clause really, didn't notice it until I read it back. Though only on this forum would the semi-colon not be inserted mentally. What I really meant of course was "Thats why I suggested new York,a bit closer to Australia; but its possible that a flight to South America from New York".

Maybe even a full-stop. While the science here may be high school/fox science feature at best, the english practise is pretty good.

Maybe you don't know where Sydney is. Hence, it's not an English issue, but a Geography one.

I did waste a lot of time learning spanish for my trip to australia. It wasnt as much help as i thought it would be.

Australia does not exist. Your argument is wrong.

Well wherever it was, probably the best conference ever. Mind you after the best part of a day stuck in a giant firework expectations werent high. Maybe it was the island out of 'Lost'. The hotel spoke very good Engligh for a ... wait we only just covered this bit.

Quote from: onetwothreefour on April 25, 2010, 06:52:03 PM

Because they navigate earth every single day with a Round Earth model, and it works. It's indisputable. We would either hear about the mistakes or you have to at least concede that the Flat Earth model requires that most pilots and air traffic controllers be in on the conspiracy.

Birds like to fly in the wake of fast-moving vessels, often close enough to nudge the vessel itself. The collective force of a lot of birds all nudging the vessel causes it to move faster.

This is one account for why travel times appear distorted.  No need to bring pilots and air traffic controllers into the fold.

I just want to take a minute and point out AGAIN just how ludicrous this statement Pongo made is.  He honestly suggested that there are huge flocks of birds, which no one ever notices, that hang out at airports, waiting for flights that fly east or west in the southern hemisphere only, so they can fly at altitudes no bird can reach and at speeds no bird has ever been documented achieving.  All so they can push EVERY airplane that flies these routes.  And all of this has never been documented in any way, at all!  Now after making that sort of comment, there is absolutely no way I can ever take anything Pongo says as being anything more than the musings of an internet troll.

I almost didn't believe the quote.  I checked back to see if that's what he actually said and, sure enough, there it was smiling at me like a toad at the bottom of a beer mug.  He can't honestly believe that, can he?

It was just a variation on a comment that another member made and I sigged.