Idea: Start a University

Qualification = motivation.

Contrary to my regular opinions of Bishop, I actually think this idea has some merit. Truly looking into the universe around us through experimentation, rather than bickering about who is right or wrong on a forum, is a worthwhile project. Personally I think it will lead to the embracement of a round earth but I applaud the proper scientific stance Bishop is taking here.

Who will receive all the funds paid for these online degrees?

But your 3 week course, or whatever it is, hasn't taught them anything about Law, has it? Or in these 3 weeks have you also managed to cram in all the knowledge of law that other establishments take 4 years to instill in students?

You keep thinking that we need to teach them what the Ancient Greeks think needs to be taught.

We do not.

We're not an Ancient Greek college.

We don't need to teach the rubbish which is usually taught in classrooms. We can teach whatever we feel needs to be taught. It's called the Freedom of Academia.

We take those crusty old teachings and throw them out the window to replace with our own.

Our kingdom of science and philosophy is ours and ours alone.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 02, 2009, 04:29:42 AM

In order for the Zetetic philosophy to take off we must start a school.

I thought that you said that you already run your own private college.

I do. I run two private colleges from California. Chairing colleges is what I do for a living.

At one college I run the philosophy is "Learn by Debate".

At another college I run the philosophy is "Learn by Writing".

And for my final addition to my portfolio of colleges, this one will be a college where the philosophy is that everything you know in life is wrong.

The press releases pretty much write themselves. Think of this as a next New York Times headline:

Why don't you try this philosophy on for size:

ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN

Before a university, why not a children's curriculum? I'm new to this theory, but it seems to me that it could benefit from being more accessible to people who aren't well versed in physics.  There's been alot of discussion in here about kindergarten, why not give the kindergarten teachers some competition before you start building a university?

Before a university, why not a children's curriculum? I'm new to this theory, but it seems to me that it could benefit from being more accessible to people who aren't well versed in physics.  There's been alot of discussion in here about kindergarten, why not give the kindergarten teachers some competition before you start building a university?

I disagree. We need to get into the PUBLIC SPHERE! A university will do the trick. Too many universities teach crap anyways. Remember that the ancient greek universities we have today (or what are based on the ancient greek universiities) are RUBBISH! They turn our false leaders like BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA who do nothing for our countries. We need an alternative solution! Not this crappy universities we have now! Even if you disagree with flat earth the zetetic method can and will work!

Quote from: honkey_kong on December 02, 2009, 04:27:58 PM

Before a university, why not a children's curriculum? I'm new to this theory, but it seems to me that it could benefit from being more accessible to people who aren't well versed in physics.  There's been alot of discussion in here about kindergarten, why not give the kindergarten teachers some competition before you start building a university?

I disagree. We need to get into the PUBLIC SPHERE! A university will do the trick. Too many universities teach crap anyways. Remember that the ancient greek universities we have today (or what are based on the ancient greek universiities) are RUBBISH! They turn our false leaders like BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA who do nothing for our countries. We need an alternative solution! Not this crappy universities we have now! Even if you disagree with flat earth the zetetic method can and will work!

Making a children's curriculum would accomplish that by generating backlash: "WHAT ARE YOU TEACHING MY CHILDREN!!?!?!?" 

Even if you didn't want a children's curriculum, don't dismiss a better, more accessible summary of your main points and ideas.  This site is actually quite difficult to break into, believe me, I just tried but it took me more time than it should have.  Maybe if there were an easier home page, which clearly and SUCCINCTLY lays out your beliefs you could attract more attention.  Also, what about bumper stickers and t-shirts? one of my law professors says that the only law that people understand fits on a bumper sticker.  While thats a cynical view, its has a ring of truth.  All I'm saying is that a university, while perhaps a good idea, is a little ambitious for this stage of the game.  In the tree of getting the word out about FET, there are definitely some low hanging fruit.

The T-shirts are at the printers!

Maybe you could set up a flat earth certification college first.

You could probably run it with moodle for free.

Maybe you could set up a flat earth certification college first.

You could probably run it with moodle for free.

Yes.

Online classes do not seem like they should even be that hard to manage! Make your students read that one book - "Earth not flat" or whatever its called. Then have weekly homework based on chapter excerpts. Do this for 11 weeks and you have an online college course xD

Quote from: d00gz on December 02, 2009, 06:02:16 AM

But your 3 week course, or whatever it is, hasn't taught them anything about Law, has it? Or in these 3 weeks have you also managed to cram in all the knowledge of law that other establishments take 4 years to instill in students?

You keep thinking that we need to teach them what the Ancient Greeks think needs to be taught.

We do not.

We're not an Ancient Greek college.

We don't need to teach the rubbish which is usually taught in classrooms. We can teach whatever we feel needs to be taught. It's called the Freedom of Academia.

We take those crusty old teachings and throw them out the window to replace with our own.

Our kingdom of science and philosophy is ours and ours alone.

This is hilarious!

What about medical students? Will we tell them just to figure out the best ways to treat people by experimentation?

Throwing away hundreds of years of research carried out by other scientists, all because you believe the earth is flat and think everyone else in the world is wrong?

Pull your head out your ar$e and actually think about this for a minute.

It will never work. And if you believe differently, stop talking about it online, and go and do something about it. Like you said in your OP, whining like a little b*tch on here isn't going to get you anywhere.

I do. I run two private colleges from California. Chairing colleges is what I do for a living.

At one college I run the philosophy is "Learn by Debate".

At another college I run the philosophy is "Learn by Writing".

OK. So the the important thing is to "win the debate", regardless of whether the is any truth or credibility to the argument.

In other words, you can say anything you like, as long as it persuades others and removes weaker elements

WELCOME TO THE 1930s NAZI GERMANY !!!

I highly doubt Tom runs any kind of educational facility that is accredited.

It will never work.

I think it will but it depends what you mean by "work". It seems like Tom Bishop wants to scam people out of money by selling phoney degrees. From what he's posted here he's already managed to do this twice, and he's seen the thick deposit of fools here and realised that there's money to be made. This will work very well for him.

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It will never work.

I think it will but it depends what you mean by "work". It seems like Tom Bishop wants to scam people out of money by selling phoney degrees. From what he's posted here he's already managed to do this twice, and he's seen the thick deposit of fools here and realised that there's money to be made. This will work very well for him.

Perhaps.  Then he can end up like Kent Hovind, his intellectual equal.

I'm honestly somewhat disgusted by this idea's existence. You're fucking insane Tom. I'm sorry, but you are. Holy shit. It's like a fucking cult in here. Except you aren't bad-ass at all and your beliefs are more outrageous than a usual cult. There are two major flaws to this as well that I can think of. One, people believing the planet is flat isn't going to make it any flatter. Two, the planet is round. Seriously. And I don't need to do a fucking experiment or read a shitty book to understand this. I hope you guys all soil your pants when undeniable proof that the Earth cannot be flat presents itself. Not that it hasn't already but of course it's all bendy light and dark forces and sky mirrors and Photoshop.

Long story short, you FE believers are delusional as fuck and it's annoying.

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Our kingdom of science and philosophy is ours and ours alone.

I think that's just about all we need to know.  Thanks, Tom!

I think this is a great idea, and the dismissive attitude of RE'ers reflects nothing more than the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to by the Globu-priests of RE science.

I think this is a great idea, and the dismissive attitude of RE'ers reflects nothing more than the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to by the Globu-priests of RE science.

Does this mean that you will be one of Tom's first FE college students?

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on December 03, 2009, 01:08:00 PM

I think this is a great idea, and the dismissive attitude of RE'ers reflects nothing more than the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to by the Globu-priests of RE science.

Does this mean that you will be one of Tom's first FE college students?

If at all possible, yes.

I think this is a great idea, and the dismissive attitude of RE'ers reflects nothing more than the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to by the Globu-priests of RE science.

I'm not being dismissive I want Tom to make as much money off you as possible.

Quote from: markjo on December 03, 2009, 02:31:37 PM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on December 03, 2009, 01:08:00 PM

I think this is a great idea, and the dismissive attitude of RE'ers reflects nothing more than the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to by the Globu-priests of RE science.

Does this mean that you will be one of Tom's first FE college students?

If at all possible, yes.

LOL.

take a step back and re-read this thread willy (now decided you don't warrant the use of a capital)

Are you suggesting that you'd drop whatever useless degree you're doing just now (the fact you attend any other university at the moment, is incredibly hypocritical given your standpoint on this subject) to attend Tom's magical Zetetic College? And get a degree that will allow you to sit at your computer and preach with some sort of self assumed authority, on all matters relating to FE?

Please go and do it, i'd love to see you waste your life more than it seems you already do.

Are you suggesting that you'd drop whatever useless degree you're doing just now (the fact you attend any other university at the moment, is incredibly hypocritical given your standpoint on this subject) to attend Tom's magical Zetetic College? And get a degree that will allow you to sit at your computer and preach with some sort of self assumed authority, on all matters relating to FE?

Please go and do it, i'd love to see you waste your life more than it seems you already do.

It's not going to be called "Zetetic College". It's going to be given a real name, such as "Ridgewood University" or "Columbus University".

Wilmore will enter the university for dirt cheep, proceed through the curriculum, and receive his degree in record time. At graduation he will have proven himself to have the necessary groundwork for free thought and logical criticism.

When Wilmore takes his degree to an employer, they will call or write the school for verification that Wilmore has graduated, where upon which a secretary of mine will cheerfully verify his date of graduation and mail a copy of the transcript if necessary.

When the employer checks the university for accreditation the employer will see that the university is accredited by a private accrediting agency.

Wilmore's Zetetic Degree will bring him great success for his future endeavors. A university degree can result in millions of dollars of extra lifetime income. The University will send him out into the world to spread the Zetetic philosophy far and wide.

How much is a lifetime of success worth to you?

When the employer checks the university for accreditation the employer will see that the university is accredited by  a private accrediting agency.

LOL.

Good luck with that.

And how much is a lifetime of success worth to me?

I graduated from the University of Glasgow in 2006 in Mechanical Engineering. I now run an engineering company. I'm doing alright, thanks.

Just a small question.

Three people all want the same job, to be a lawyer.

On one hand, you've got a guy who went to the absoloute top university in the land, spent four years studying law and graduated with flying colours.

Inbetween both hands you've got somebody who went to your average university, studied law for 4 years and graduated withy flying colours.

Then, on the other hand, you've got the guy who went to some scummy little online university, got his degree in three weeks and again, passed with flying colours.

You are the employer, an average, reasonable man who believs (like the majority of people) that the world is round, science is science and that lady at the bar is hot and you would totally get with her. You have never heard of Zelticism (am i doing it right?) and don't care what it is. Who would you employ?

You'd employ the guy who went to the championship university, or if he got a better offer elsewhere, the guy who went to the other university. Only if he also got a job somewhere else would you even consider the online degree guy.

Most people know this, which is why they fork out big bucks to go to big universities. So why would anyone choose to graduate from your university if they have other options. Also (keeping in mind I mean no offence) employers tend to reject people with online degrees regardless of whether they need employees and also, an online degree will not get you as far up the company ladder as a regular (and, dare I say it,) real degree will.

If no-one responds to this comment, I win. If anyone makes attack on my spelling or grammar without a valid argument as well (I'm looking at you Tom) I win.

It's not going to be called "Zetetic College". It's going to be given a real name, such as "Ridgewood University" or "Columbia State University".

Wilmore will enter the university for dirt cheep, proceed through the curriculum, and receive his degree in record time. At graduation he will have proven himself to have the necessary groundwork for free thought and logical criticism.

When Wilmore takes his degree to an employer, they will call or write the school for verification that Wilmore has graduated, where upon which a secretary of mine will cheerfully verify his date of graduation and mail a copy of the transcript if necessary.

When the employer checks the university for accreditation the employer will see that the university is accredited by  a private accrediting agency.

Wilmore's Zetetic Degree will bring him great success for his future endeavors. A university degree can result in millions of dollars of extra lifetime income. The University will send him out into the world to spread the Zetetic philosophy far and wide.

How much is a lifetime of success worth to you?

I'm sorry, but what marketable skills will you be teaching again?  A degree may get someone an interview, but it is by no means a guarantee of success (especially in this economy).  There are plenty of Liberal Arts grads working at Burger King.

Quote from: d00gz on December 02, 2009, 04:37:51 AM

There are so many things wrong with that, i'm not even sure if i should start pointing them out.

If you can't be bothered to contribute in some way to the thread, please leave.

There's a little "x" button located in the upper right hand corner of your screen.

Press it. Don't come back.

Tom that was so irony rich that it has left me speechless.

I'm sorry, but what marketable skills will you be teaching again?  A degree may get someone an interview, but it is by no means a guarantee of success (especially in this economy).  There are plenty of Liberal Arts grads working at Burger King.

There are degrees and degrees. I'm going to graduate with a 1st honours degree, because I did the work and studied hard. Lots of arts students emerge from college having barely passed, and naturally end up with crappy jobs. The same goes for just about any discipline. I know plenty of engineering students who were lazy at college and ended up with crappy engineering degrees.


If you get a good degree, it proves that you are capable of working hard (independently), and that you have a certain amount of intelligence. Lazy/average students get shitty degrees.

I would love to enroll. It would be especially beneficial for medical students because of the long term arrogance and mentality that western medicine is flawless. Having a zetetic outlook would help any biologist.