Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

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smith2031

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Just as the title says. I would like an answer from reasonable FE'ers, not RE'ers. I am new here, so if this has been brought up before, please let me know where, or, better yet, provide a link. Thanks.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 12:57:26 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 01:02:01 PM »
Are these other planets round or flat? Explain.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 01:03:16 PM »
Are these other planets round or flat? Explain.

Could be either, or something else entirely, as we don't even know whether or not they exist.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 01:12:56 PM »
Yes.

No. Please read ENaG. The planets and stars are very close and very tiny.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 01:14:28 PM »
Yes.

No. Please read ENaG. The planets and stars are very close and very tiny.

Please use basic common sense. The observable universe is not the entire universe.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 01:16:46 PM »
Please use basic common sense. The observable universe is not the entire universe.

Who said anything about common sense? I said "Read ENaG".

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 01:18:54 PM »
Who said anything about common sense? I said "Read ENaG".

Earth: Not a Globe is not the complete documentation of everything that has ever existed, nor is it followed by all denominations of FET.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2009, 01:24:58 PM »
Earth: Not a Globe is not the complete documentation of everything that has ever existed

Where did I say it was?

nor is it followed by all denominations of FET.

Where did I say it was?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 01:26:09 PM »
Earth: Not a Globe is not the complete documentation of everything that has ever existed

Where did I say it was?

nor is it followed by all denominations of FET.

Where did I say it was?

You implied it was when you cited it as a reference for your statement that FET does not allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 01:52:40 PM »
You implied it was when you cited it as a reference for your statement that FET does not allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds.

Not at all. Please do not put words into my mouth.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 02:01:31 PM »
Not at all. Please do not put words into my mouth.

Okay, then FET allows for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds. Glad we agree.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 02:47:20 PM »
Yes, it does.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 03:11:04 PM »
If these worlds are, indeed, possibly round, as parsifal has stated they may be, then how are they held together if there is no gravity. The FAQ states that gravity is a property of some matter, but how would this work?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009, 03:12:28 PM »
If these worlds are, indeed, possibly round, as parsifal has stated they may be, then how are they held together if there is no gravity. The FAQ states that gravity is a property of some matter, but how would this work?

Different FEers have differing views on gravity. Personally, I believe that gravitation as described by general relativity is a universal interaction between matter - or, more precisely, between mass-energy and spacetime.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2009, 03:15:49 PM »
Then, if gravity is a universal property of all matter, wouldn't a flat earth crumple in on itself and eventually become spherical?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009, 03:17:34 PM »
Then, if gravity is a universal property of all matter, wouldn't a flat earth crumple in on itself and eventually become spherical?

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Yes, if the FE were finite and not under the influence of the dark energy field that accelerates it upwards at 1g - again, this is a matter of some debate amongst FEers.
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smith2031

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009, 03:20:16 PM »
Ah, okay. Thanks. ;D

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2009, 03:22:08 PM »
There is a long and highly educational stickied thread called 'Gravity' which covers this subject, often punctuated by amusing trolling by ignorant REers - if you want to learn about the subject in FET and have a laugh along the way, I suggest checking it out.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2009, 03:28:50 PM »
Thank you this information has helped me greatly understand the "reasoning" of the universe.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2009, 04:50:22 PM »
Wait, so do FE'ers believe that there are no planets of significant size in the visible sky?
If I believed the Earth was round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2009, 10:28:40 PM »
Wait, so do FE'ers believe that there are no planets of significant size in the visible sky?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2009, 05:41:30 AM »
Wait, so do FE'ers believe that there are no planets of significant size in the visible sky?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets

That's cleared that up then... no wait...

Okay, then FET allows for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds.

What's going on?! Does not compute! Does not compute!

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Dr Matrix

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2009, 09:26:11 AM »
What's going on?! Does not compute! Does not compute!

Does RET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

I think you'll find there is some disagreement in your own camp on this subject.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2009, 09:31:20 AM »
Does RET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

Yes.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2009, 09:34:42 AM »
Does RET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

Yes.

O RLY?!
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2009, 09:41:35 AM »
Does RET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

Yes.

O RLY?!

RLY!  Just because we haven't found any, that doesn't mean that they can't exist.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2009, 10:24:29 AM »
RLY!  Just because we haven't found any, that doesn't mean that they can't exist.

I put it to you, sir, that there are flavours of FET that support exactly the same argument, just as there are firm believers of RET who would strongly disagree that alien life can exist at all.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2009, 10:29:19 AM »
I put it to you, sir, that there are flavours of FET that support exactly the same argument, just as there are firm believers of RET who would strongly disagree that alien life can exist at all.

Fair enough. Although if you have tiny little planets (as FET does) then the aliens won't be that big.

As for habitable worlds? FET doesn't allow for them.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2009, 10:54:10 AM »
I put it to you, sir, that there are flavours of FET that support exactly the same argument, just as there are firm believers of RET who would strongly disagree that alien life can exist at all.

And there are some FET models where the stars are tiny motes of energy, incapable of supporting planets (Tom Bishop's model comes to mind). 

It seems to me that if the stars only 3100 or so miles above the FE, then powerful ground based telescopes should easily be able to find planets large enough to support life orbiting stars.

As for RE'ers who believe that extra-terrestrial life can't exist at all...  Well, I'm not sure if there are very many in the scientific community who share that opinion.  However, many would say that due to the vast distances to even near by stars, the odds of us ever meeting aliens is pretty slim.
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