Really Confused

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Really Confused
« on: August 22, 2009, 08:45:22 AM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 08:58:19 AM »
Have any of you every been on a plane?

Yes.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 09:00:27 AM »
Answer one question ignore the important one. Very good start! Tell me why I can see a curved earth when I am up that high.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 09:01:14 AM »
Answer one question ignore the important one. Very good start! Tell me why I can see a curved earth when I am up that high.

The Placebo effect.
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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 09:05:35 AM »
Explain.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2009, 09:06:32 AM »
Explain.

You think the Earth is round, so your brain tells you that you are seeing curvature when there is actually none visible.
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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2009, 09:09:23 AM »
Great intelligent response. Surely that works for FE'ers as well though?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2009, 09:12:44 AM »
Great intelligent response. Surely that works for FE'ers as well though?

Yes.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2009, 09:21:48 AM »
Great intelligent response. Surely that works for FE'ers as well though?

Yes.

He's not lying. They will suggest you read The Earth is not a Globe, too. I also suggest you read the criticisms, of it, too. There is something special about Rowbotham's conclusions and logic.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2009, 09:23:06 AM »
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2009, 09:37:34 AM »

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2009, 09:52:15 AM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2009, 11:19:24 AM »
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
You!

Why would I lie?

Yes? No?

It was not a yes no question.

My apologies.

   After the passing of the Toxic Substance Control Act, the disposal of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) became very costly and many entities had sought less costly and less legal means of disposal. In the state of North Carolina, this meant that illegal road-side dumping of PCBs became prevalent. By the summer of 1978, approximately 240 miles of road shoulders had become contaminated with PCBs. The quickest solution that the state found was to construct a landfill in Warren County. Warren County is a rural county in the Northeastern part of the state. The site was located on a recently foreclosed farm. The citizens of this county fought a legal battle for three years against the stigma associated with having a hazardous waste facility.  By 1982, construction had begun on the landfill.
   Having exhausted all legal recourse, the citizens turned to protests and demonstrations. Their claim was that, beyond the possible dire consequences it will have to the economy, the PCBs have a strong likelihood of infiltrating the groundwater and possibly the drinking water. Furthermore, there were allegations that race was playing a part in the issue, as well (see Table 1.) Warren County is predominately African American and that this action on the part of the state was taking advantage of ?poor people of color.? It was this accusation that created and coined the term ?environmental racism.?
   With this statement out in the open, state and national civil rights communities sprung into action. While the protests did not stop the construction, they did help forge the idea of environmental justice as it pertains to race. In particular, Warren County revealed that there were many similar communities of minorities that felt like they were unjustly and disproportionately burdened with pollution and environmental risk.
Bullard
   During the same time, a neighborhood in northeastern Houston was fighting a similar battle. In 1979, African American homeowners began to fight over a sanitary landfill being placed in their neighborhood. Their attorney was Linda Bullard. Together with her husband, Robert Bullard, they forged the idea of environmental racism as a legal and civil rights issue. Robert Bullard, specifically, studied what was evidently an excess of environmental burden on the minority communities of Houston.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2009, 01:13:49 PM »
You!

Why would I lie?

Yes? No?

It was not a yes no question.

My apologies.

   After the passing of the Toxic Substance Control Act, the disposal of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) became very costly and many entities had sought less costly and less legal means of disposal. In the state of North Carolina, this meant that illegal road-side dumping of PCBs became prevalent. By the summer of 1978, approximately 240 miles of road shoulders had become contaminated with PCBs. The quickest solution that the state found was to construct a landfill in Warren County. Warren County is a rural county in the Northeastern part of the state. The site was located on a recently foreclosed farm. The citizens of this county fought a legal battle for three years against the stigma associated with having a hazardous waste facility.  By 1982, construction had begun on the landfill.
   Having exhausted all legal recourse, the citizens turned to protests and demonstrations. Their claim was that, beyond the possible dire consequences it will have to the economy, the PCBs have a strong likelihood of infiltrating the groundwater and possibly the drinking water. Furthermore, there were allegations that race was playing a part in the issue, as well (see Table 1.) Warren County is predominately African American and that this action on the part of the state was taking advantage of ?poor people of color.? It was this accusation that created and coined the term ?environmental racism.?
   With this statement out in the open, state and national civil rights communities sprung into action. While the protests did not stop the construction, they did help forge the idea of environmental justice as it pertains to race. In particular, Warren County revealed that there were many similar communities of minorities that felt like they were unjustly and disproportionately burdened with pollution and environmental risk.
Bullard
   During the same time, a neighborhood in northeastern Houston was fighting a similar battle. In 1979, African American homeowners began to fight over a sanitary landfill being placed in their neighborhood. Their attorney was Linda Bullard. Together with her husband, Robert Bullard, they forged the idea of environmental racism as a legal and civil rights issue. Robert Bullard, specifically, studied what was evidently an excess of environmental burden on the minority communities of Houston.


If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Taters343

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2009, 01:18:43 PM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2009, 02:24:14 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

You cannot see the curvature from any plane (or mountain top)you have ever been on.  Truth.  I will be posting more on this subject later today.  I have some great pics from 45,000 feet I took yesterday.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2009, 02:26:09 PM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Taters343

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2009, 05:17:26 PM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.

Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. Multiple obstructions would definitely change one's perception of the situation.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2009, 05:24:40 PM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.

Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. Multiple obstructions would definitely change one's perception of the situation.

Certainly.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Anduie

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2009, 11:30:35 PM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.

Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. Multiple obstructions would definitely change one's perception of the situation.

Certainly.

Please, continue with this fellatious line of discussion.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2009, 01:56:31 AM »
Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.

Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. Multiple obstructions would definitely change one's perception of the situation.

Certainly.

Please, continue with this fellatious line of discussion.

It is hard to carry on a conversation by one's self... would you care to join me?
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Taters343

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2009, 08:55:12 AM »
What need is there to continue the conversation? Your question was answered, thus it is finished. If you would like to ask another question than please do so, otherwise there is no need for us to draw this out any further.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2009, 10:56:57 AM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

You cannot see the curvature from any plane (or mountain top)you have ever been on.  Truth.  I will be posting more on this subject later today.  I have some great pics from 45,000 feet I took yesterday.

Wanna see my pics from 56,000 feet on Concorde? Oh no, wait, I faked them. That curve there, and the one I saw with my eyes, must be wrong.
Ask Joan Collins. She's been on Concorde. Come to think of it, so has Phil Collins. And Michael Collins went even higher - but wait he works for NASA, oops.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2009, 12:31:33 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

You cannot see the curvature from any plane (or mountain top)you have ever been on.  Truth.  I will be posting more on this subject later today.  I have some great pics from 45,000 feet I took yesterday.

Wanna see my pics from 56,000 feet on Concorde? Oh no, wait, I faked them. That curve there, and the one I saw with my eyes, must be wrong.
Ask Joan Collins. She's been on Concorde. Come to think of it, so has Phil Collins. And Michael Collins went even higher - but wait he works for NASA, oops.

Atmospheric refraction and water in the air. These two things would make a flat edge seem curved when added up over many miles. Of course, the earth may not be truly "flat", it is possible that it has an upward bulge.

Hm, yes. In addition there are mountains and valleys and such.

Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. Multiple obstructions would definitely change one's perception of the situation.

Certainly.

Why did you scroll down without reading? Is it because you don't want to admit that any question of curvature seen from mountains has already been answered?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 12:36:35 PM »
Ask Joan Collins. She's been on Concorde. Come to think of it, so has Phil Collins. And Michael Collins went even higher - but wait he works for NASA, oops.

KatiePipkin is a clone using Phil Collins and Michael Collins genes. Anyone else willing to agree to it so it can be irrefutable fact based upon the standards of this discussion?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 12:50:38 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

You cannot see the curvature from any plane (or mountain top)you have ever been on.  Truth.  I will be posting more on this subject later today.  I have some great pics from 45,000 feet I took yesterday.

Wanna see my pics from 56,000 feet on Concorde?

Yes, I do.  Unless you lied and dont have any.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2009, 12:52:55 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

You cannot see the curvature from any plane (or mountain top)you have ever been on.  Truth.  I will be posting more on this subject later today.  I have some great pics from 45,000 feet I took yesterday.

Wanna see my pics from 56,000 feet on Concorde?

For sure!
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.