A request for evidence.

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:01:12 PM

Quote from: Proleg on September 07, 2009, 03:59:11 PM

Quote from: nickyp_uk on September 07, 2009, 03:56:26 PM

How does it seem to be faked then?  What in particular is it that you cannot accept to be true (apart from the earth being round)?

If the earth is flat, how can anything portraying it to be otherwise not be false?

Maybe it's evidence that the earth isn't flat.

Pictures and videos are so easily faked though.

Evidence of a Flat Earth is easy enough to fake too.  What's your point?

I'm reading the first experiment and it contradicts the bendy light theory.

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 06:40:55 PM

Several things:
1) The experiments presented in Earth Not A Globe.
2) Logical reasoning based on my own observation.
3) The logical reasoning of flat earthers all over this forum.
4) Accepting that if it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, and smells like a duck, and feels like a duck, it could just be... a duck! (In other words, that I don't have to deny everything my senses tell me just to match my views with those of the majority.)

Sigh.
1) I would love for you to give ONE legit experiment that can prove the flatness of the Earth. I can't find this book anywhere dude.
2) Just because you say you have logical reasoning doesn't make it so.
3) Again saying somthing like that doesn't mean anything
4)The Earth does in fact look round (not when you're on the ground of course) but since you can't prove the roundness of the Earth by smelling hearing feeling or tasting, that's irrelevent.
5) I fail to see ANY FACTUAL EVIDENCE at all here.

You asked a question and I answered it. It's not so because I said it was, I said it was because it was so. The earth looks round only around the edges. It does not, ever, look like a sphere. The fact that smelling, hearing, or feeling don't mean anything doesn't make my point irrelevant. The earth looks flat. We can also prove that it is flat, which confirms the most logical hypothesis.

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:02:10 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:01:12 PM

Quote from: Proleg on September 07, 2009, 03:59:11 PM

Quote from: nickyp_uk on September 07, 2009, 03:56:26 PM

How does it seem to be faked then?  What in particular is it that you cannot accept to be true (apart from the earth being round)?

If the earth is flat, how can anything portraying it to be otherwise not be false?

Maybe it's evidence that the earth isn't flat.

Pictures and videos are so easily faked though.

Evidence of a Flat Earth is easy enough to fake too.  What's your point?

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

You haven't proved that the Earth is flat.

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:17:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:02:10 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:01:12 PM

Quote from: Proleg on September 07, 2009, 03:59:11 PM

Quote from: nickyp_uk on September 07, 2009, 03:56:26 PM

How does it seem to be faked then?  What in particular is it that you cannot accept to be true (apart from the earth being round)?

If the earth is flat, how can anything portraying it to be otherwise not be false?

Maybe it's evidence that the earth isn't flat.

Pictures and videos are so easily faked though.

Evidence of a Flat Earth is easy enough to fake too.  What's your point?

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

And RE evidence can be recreated by anyone with the resources.  Again, what's your point?

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Kind of like attaching a camera to a balloon and letting it go, and later see video footage of Earth's curvature? Yeah, why don't you try that one.

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:17:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:02:10 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:01:12 PM

Quote from: Proleg on September 07, 2009, 03:59:11 PM

Quote from: nickyp_uk on September 07, 2009, 03:56:26 PM

How does it seem to be faked then?  What in particular is it that you cannot accept to be true (apart from the earth being round)?

If the earth is flat, how can anything portraying it to be otherwise not be false?

Maybe it's evidence that the earth isn't flat.

Pictures and videos are so easily faked though.

Evidence of a Flat Earth is easy enough to fake too.  What's your point?

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

And RE evidence can be recreated by anyone with the resources.  Again, what's your point?

What's yours?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Kind of like attaching a camera to a balloon and letting it go, and later see video footage of Earth's curvature? Yeah, why don't you try that one.

Oh no, not you again.

But yes, the edge of the earth is curved.

Where are you going with this?

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

what's your point?

What's yours?

 

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

what's your point?

What's yours?

 

That you don't have one.

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 08:03:06 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

what's your point?

What's yours?

 

That you don't have one.

Then my point is that you don't have one.

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 08:23:12 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 08:03:06 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

what's your point?

What's yours?

 

That you don't have one.

Then my point is that you don't have one.

Typical tactic of a FE'er, poke holes and question the question until it goes away.  That way you don't have to think of an answer and therefore you can keep on going believing your little theory that the earth is flat.

Anyway, maybe you can tell me about sunrises/sunsets.  In the FAQ it says that the sun gets further away which makes it seem like it's approaching the horizon.  Tell me, why then does the sun fully drop below the horizon, and if it's getting further away, why does it seem to get bigger?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 10:03:25 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 08:23:12 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 08:03:06 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

What's yours?

What's my what?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 07, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

what's your point?

What's yours?

 

That you don't have one.

Then my point is that you don't have one.

Typical tactic of a FE'er, poke holes and question the question until it goes away.  That way you don't have to think of an answer and therefore you can keep on going believing your little theory that the earth is flat.

Whatever. He/she asked what my point was, so I asked for his, and his response was that his point was that I don't have a point, so I said that my point was that he doesn't have one. Fair game.

The "what's your point" game is a lot like the why game in that you can keep going, "What's your point?" over and over, to each new response.

A: So this and this and this.
B: What's your point?
A: That _________.
B: What's your point?
A: That _________.
B: What's your point?

Oh, and if you have a real question, feel free to ask, but don't expect me to answer unless you can be a bit more polite/mature about it.

Whatever. He/she asked what my point was, so I asked for his, and his response was that his point was that I don't have a point, so I said that my point was that he doesn't have one. Fair game.

The "what's your point" game is a lot like the why game in that you can keep going, "What's your point?" over and over, to each new response.

A: So this and this and this.
B: What's your point?
A: That _________.
B: What's your point?
A: That _________.
B: What's your point?

Oh, and if you have a real question, feel free to ask, but don't expect me to answer unless you can be a bit more polite/mature about it.

That because you took my ""what's your point" out of context.  If you recall, you proposed that all RE evidence can be faked.  When I pointed out that FE evidence could be just as easily faked, only then did I ask you what your point was.  My point was that saying that evidence can be faked is not evidence that it has been faked.  Now, what was your point in saying that RE evidence can be faked?

Watch this crap.

Umm...  Which crap are you referring to?

Well I would love for you to answer my question:

Maybe you can tell me about sunrises/sunsets.  In the FAQ it says that the sun gets further away which makes it seem like it's approaching the horizon.  Tell me, why then does the sun fully drop below the horizon, and if it's getting further away, why does it seem to get bigger?  I have searched for the answer in the forums, but have found nothing.

Well I would love for you to answer my question:

Maybe you can tell me about sunrises/sunsets.  In the FAQ it says that the sun gets further away which makes it seem like it's approaching the horizon.  Tell me, why then does the sun fully drop below the horizon

There are two possible answers that I know of here.

1)Perspective.  Rowbotham was of the opinion that if you don't understand that this is what you would normally expect according to the laws of perspective, you're wrong.

2)Electromagnetic Acceleration.  The light bends upwards as it gets further away causing the illusion that the sun is sinking into the vanishing point.

I favor Option 2.

and if it's getting further away, why does it seem to get bigger?

This is merely an optical illusion.

By optical illusion, do you mean that while it seems bigger, it isn't actually bigger?

Because if that is the case, I can tell you for certain it is not.  I've been lucky enough to see the sunset in a number of places, such as the Sahara, Carribbean, and just recently in the Outback from Ayres Rock.  All of them showed the sun to be much bigger at the horizon that in the top of the sky.

By optical illusion, do you mean that while it seems bigger, it isn't actually bigger?

Yes.

Because if that is the case, I can tell you for certain it is not.  I've been lucky enough to see the sunset in a number of places, such as the Sahara, Carribbean, and just recently in the Outback from Ayres Rock.  All of them showed the sun to be much bigger at the horizon that in the top of the sky.

Wrong.  It just looked bigger, kind of like how the moon looks bigger when it's closer to the horizon than when it's high in the sky.

In photos, it is bigger.  I know that.  It's always the same with you guys, whenever someone gives some sort of evidence, you just say no you're wrong, or I don't believe you, or it's fake.  This is why it is so impossible to have a debate with any of you.

In photos, it is bigger.  I know that.  It's always the same with you guys, whenever someone gives some sort of evidence, you just say no you're wrong, or I don't believe you, or it's fake.  This is why it is so impossible to have a debate with any of you.

Would you take the word of a REer?

http://www.ion.org/newsletter/v12n1.html#feature2

It appears that some navigators do not understand why the sun appears larger at sunset and sunrise than it does at noon. One of the more popular misconceptions is that it is caused by refraction. Actually, refraction makes the sun appear smaller at rising or setting, because there is more refraction acting on the lower limb of the sun (because of its lower altitude) than on the upper limb.

The image of the sun received by the eye is the same size (discounting the refraction effect) at both the horizon and the zenith.

It's always the same with you guys, you state things as fact that you have no idea about and argue that you're right until you're blue in the face.  This is why it is so impossible to have a debate with any of you.

Even in RET the sun doesn't get bigger and smaller...

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Any source with accurate descriptions how this has been done by anyone recently?

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Any source with accurate descriptions how this has been done by anyone recently?

Yes, many.

One such source is Earth Not A Globe.

Quote from: zork on September 11, 2009, 02:53:25 AM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Any source with accurate descriptions how this has been done by anyone recently?

Yes, many.

One such source is Earth Not A Globe.

Over 100 years ago is not recently.

Quote from: zork on September 11, 2009, 02:53:25 AM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Any source with accurate descriptions how this has been done by anyone recently?

Yes, many.

One such source is Earth Not A Globe.

Rowbotham never accounted for atmospheric refractive phenomena in any of his long distance outdoor observations.

Quote from: W on September 11, 2009, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: zork on September 11, 2009, 02:53:25 AM

Quote from: W on September 07, 2009, 07:23:14 PM

Not really, as the evidence can be recreated by anyone with the initiative.

Any source with accurate descriptions how this has been done by anyone recently?

Yes, many.

One such source is Earth Not A Globe.

Over 100 years ago is not recently.

Disregard anything not recent and you will miss out on many wonderful things.