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Areweonfiya

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A request for evidence.
« on: August 18, 2009, 07:45:22 PM »
I'm just going to address some things in the FAQ and get some clarification here.

First off it states that NASA is all false and they are not really going into space. They are taking the money from the government to build a fake spaceprogram and take the rest of the money for themselves.

Here's where I come in. Where is the evidence that suggests this is true? (BESIDES the earth being flat, since that's already assuming, let's go for an unbiased pov)

Secondly you state that rocket ships that are blasted into space aren't really going to space, but rather onto remote bunkers in Africa or some Island.

Where is the evidence that suggests this is true? (besides the earth being flat)

As you know, simply just saying something that makes you feel good about yourself doesn't make it true. That's not science, that's a dumbass kid sitting on his computer telling people what he thinks is true because it makes sense in his/her world.
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Proleg

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM »
The earth is flat. Experiments may easily be performed to show this to be the case.

Now, try explaining how a conspiracy could not exist within the context of reality.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 07:52:01 PM »
There have also been experiments that have proven the Earth to be round.

But let's try to stroll away from the flat earth/round earth. Let's look at evidence about the things I'm talking about. Let's say the Earth really was flat. I would still want proof that Nasa is sending people to africa.
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Proleg

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 08:03:31 PM »
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
There have also been experiments that have proven the Earth to be round.
Source?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 01:08:30 AM »
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Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 07:43:50 AM »
Basic query, so moved to Questions & Clarification.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 10:31:53 AM »
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KatiePipkin

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 01:23:39 PM »
Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
There have also been experiments that have proven the Earth to be round.
Source?

The Bedford Level Experiments, when repeated by everybody except Blount (who was a friend of Rowbotham).
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 07:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM
The earth is flat. Experiments may easily be performed to show this to be the case.

Now, try explaining how a conspiracy could not exist within the context of reality.
If these experiments are so easy, could you please tell me how I could perform them myself?
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Proleg

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 07:17:22 PM »
Quote from: KatiePipkin on August 19, 2009, 01:23:39 PM
The Bedford Level Experiments, when repeated by everybody except Blount.
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Quote from: caelan96 on August 19, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM
The earth is flat. Experiments may easily be performed to show this to be the case.

Now, try explaining how a conspiracy could not exist within the context of reality.
If these experiments are so easy, could you please tell me how I could perform them myself?
They are detailed extensively in Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not A Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham. I highly recommend the read.
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markjo

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 07:18:59 PM »
Quote from: caelan96 on August 19, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM
The earth is flat. Experiments may easily be performed to show this to be the case.

Now, try explaining how a conspiracy could not exist within the context of reality.
If these experiments are so easy, could you please tell me how I could perform them myself?
It's documented (more or less) here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm
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KatiePipkin

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2009, 10:11:40 AM »
Quote from: Proleg on August 19, 2009, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: KatiePipkin on August 19, 2009, 01:23:39 PM
The Bedford Level Experiments, when repeated by everybody except Blount.
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Oldham, H. Yule (1901). "The experimental demonstration of the curvature of the Earth's surface". Annual Report (London: British Association for the Advancement of Science): 725?6.

Also the experiment was repeated with greater accuracy prior to this by Alfred Wallace (a trained surveyor), as I believe is covered in other threads. His findings were that the earth was round.
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2009, 11:08:56 AM »
Quote from: Proleg on August 19, 2009, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: KatiePipkin on August 19, 2009, 01:23:39 PM
The Bedford Level Experiments, when repeated by everybody except Blount.
Source?


Nature magazine, April 7th, 1870. "Rotundity of the Earth"

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Although the diagrams of what was seen by the telescopes used at both ends and acknowledged to be correct by Mr. Carpenter and Mr. Hampden show the central signal more then 5 feet above the line of the two extremes, these gentlemen coolly claim the victory, and threaten to bring action against the Editor of the Field (who was appointed umpire by Mr. Hampden himself) for fraudulently deciding against them.

Basically, the results showed that the Earth was round. Even the judge Hampden selecting agreed. So Hampden freaked out and tried unsuccessfully to sue.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 01:10:58 PM »
I still don't have any evidence that NASA is sending people to Africa.

This is all just retarded. When the FE'rs see a problem, they just make up something that could happen and say that it's true because they believe the Earth is flat. Come on, you're never going to convince ANYONE that the Earth is flat at this rate.
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 01:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 01:10:58 PM
I still don't have any evidence that NASA is sending people to Africa.

This is all just retarded. When the FE'rs see a problem, they just make up something that could happen and say that it's true because they believe the Earth is flat. Come on, you're never going to convince ANYONE that the Earth is flat at this rate.


As far as I can tell, the basis for their entire assumption of a flat earth is Rowbotham's experiment. NASA's conspiracy, not believing in gravity, claiming the sun and moon are spotlights, the anti-moon and all related ideas are all based off of "We know its true because the earth is flat" (basically), an assumption based entirely off of Rowbotham and Blount.

I mean, I haven't exactly seen any additional evidence for the NASA conspiracy besides: "We already know the Earth is flat, so NASA must be lying." 

Not a single incriminating memo, phone conversation, or confession of a former NASA worker.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 07:27:24 PM »
I'm pretty sure this site is a joke anyways. But I did learn a lot. It's good to debate things like this and get the ol' brain working again. So I feel like I've accomplished somthing rather than waste my time with a bunch of idiots and trolls.
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Proleg

Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »
Quote from: Pete on August 20, 2009, 11:08:56 AM
Nature magazine, April 7th, 1870. "Rotundity of the Earth"

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Although the diagrams of what was seen by the telescopes used at both ends and acknowledged to be correct by Mr. Carpenter and Mr. Hampden show the central signal more then 5 feet above the line of the two extremes, these gentlemen coolly claim the victory, and threaten to bring action against the Editor of the Field (who was appointed umpire by Mr. Hampden himself) for fraudulently deciding against them.

Basically, the results showed that the Earth was round. Even the judge Hampden selecting agreed. So Hampden freaked out and tried unsuccessfully to sue.
Wow, no bias there at all. ::)

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 01:10:58 PM
I still don't have any evidence that NASA is sending people to Africa.
I never made such a claim.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 10:03:40 PM »
Never said you did. I'm talking about the "flawless" FAQ's
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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2009, 12:38:21 AM »
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
Never said you did. I'm talking about the "flawless" FAQ's

Where have you seen the FAQ referred to as "flawless"?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2009, 01:01:01 AM »
Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM
The earth is flat. Experiments may easily be performed to show this to be the case.

Now, try explaining how a conspiracy could not exist within the context of reality.

Simple, NASA doing their jobs.

Experiments could also be done to show that the earth is round.
But, opposition could easily question the consistency and validity of the experiments and proof.


Roundy the Truthinessist, if you admit that the FAQ is not flawless, why do FE'ers use it as an answer to our questions?

I do not want flawed answers.
I want logical answers backed up with evidence.
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Areweonfiya

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2009, 09:41:02 AM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 21, 2009, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
Never said you did. I'm talking about the "flawless" FAQ's

Where have you seen the FAQ referred to as "flawless"?

Well since it is the basis for this website shouldn't it at least be a bit more adequate?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2009, 09:43:56 AM »
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 21, 2009, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 21, 2009, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
Never said you did. I'm talking about the "flawless" FAQ's

Where have you seen the FAQ referred to as "flawless"?

Well since it is the basis for this website shouldn't it at least be a bit more adequate?


Do you know what 'FAQ' stands for?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2009, 10:40:57 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on August 21, 2009, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 21, 2009, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 21, 2009, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 20, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
Never said you did. I'm talking about the "flawless" FAQ's

Where have you seen the FAQ referred to as "flawless"?

Well since it is the basis for this website shouldn't it at least be a bit more adequate?

Do you know what 'FAQ' stands for?

Frequently Asked Questions.  How does that name imply that those questions will have satisfactory answers?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2009, 10:55:00 AM »
Quote from: markjo on August 21, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
How does that name imply that those questions will have satisfactory answers?


How does my question imply that the name has that implication?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 10:57:25 AM »
Flawlessly Answered Questions

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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2009, 11:21:41 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on August 21, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
Quote from: markjo on August 21, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
How does that name imply that those questions will have satisfactory answers?

How does my question imply that the name has that implication?

I didn't say that it did.  However, of what possible use is a FAQ that does not have satisfactory answers to Frequently Asked Questions?  ???

I suppose another way of putting it is: We know what a FAQ is.  Do you know what a FAQ is for?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2009, 11:36:44 AM »
I was pointing out that the FAQ is not the "basis" for this site. As for whether or not I know what the FAQ is for, the FAQ is an introduction and guideline to some of the key concepts in FET. It is not intended to be exhaustive or definitive, and as a result some people may not consider that satisfactory. However, to make it exhaustive would make unsuitable for its original purpose.
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2009, 11:46:41 AM »
I'm not saying that the FAQ needs to be (or even should be) the basis of or an exhaustive explanation of FET.  It should, however, provide satisfactory answers to some of the most frequently asked questions about FET.  The fact that not very many people (some FE'ers included) are satisfied with those answers suggests that the FAQ is in failing its intended purpose.  Perhaps the FE Wiki will be better when (if) it goes live, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2009, 11:48:22 AM »
Well, we're all about constructive criticism at The Flat Earth Society. How would you improve it?
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Re: A request for evidence.
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2009, 11:52:34 AM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on August 21, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Well, we're all about constructive criticism at The Flat Earth Society. How would you improve it?

Triple the size of the 'Disclaimer' heading. Also highlight the bolded parts with pretty colors. This should decrease (slightly) the amount of people questioning it's 'biblical' truth.

EDIT: No not the bolded parts, but the parts where it says 'this is not 100% accurate to everyone's beliefs' and what not
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