Why did God create Atheists?

Before we start this let me remind you that God is all knowing. He knows the past, present, and FUTURE

So, in a Christian perspective, why did God create Atheists?

And don't tell me he did not, God is ALL KNOWING, remember? That means at the end of the day he knows ultimately what our decision will be, so don't you "free will" me. He knows.

Why does He create people designed to go to Hell?

Just because he "knows" doesn't mean he could or want to do anything about it.

Think of how boring life would be if we were all perfect christians. Even God doesn't want that.

Oh so I guess there isn't enough room in Heaven and God simply did this to entertain the Believers.

Why does He create people designed to go to Hell?

Without conflict, there's no story.

Think of how boring life would be if we were all perfect christians. Even God doesn't want that.

God doesn't want me to be a perfect Christian? Well I guess that explains why he will send me to burn in hell for eternity if I am not.

Before we start this let me remind you that God is all knowing. He knows the past, present, and FUTURE

So, in a Christian perspective, why did God create Atheists?

And don't tell me he did not, God is ALL KNOWING, remember? That means at the end of the day he knows ultimately what our decision will be, so don't you "free will" me. He knows.

Why does He create people designed to go to Hell?

It's really quite simple.  God created atheists because in order for belief in him to mean anything it has to be possible to not believe in him.  It's why He doesn't show himself to you even though, believe me, He could.  He wants you to recognize that this ordered and structured and clearly designed universe in which we live was created by something better than you without holding your hand and telling you.  Do you recognize that, Areweonfiya?

Atheists are like the team that the Harlem Globetrotters play. It's all rigged.

I don't think that justifies people who are born to go to Hell...

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome. That is a problem, because He knows.

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome.

wat

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:27:23 PM

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome.

wat

Have you ever watched the Star Wars trilogy twice? The second time isn't as entertaining is it?

Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:35:57 PM

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:27:23 PM

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome.

wat

Have you ever watched the Star Wars trilogy twice? The second time isn't as entertaining is it?

What does that have to do with the nature of conflict?

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:54:47 PM

Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:35:57 PM

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:27:23 PM

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome.

wat

Have you ever watched the Star Wars trilogy twice? The second time isn't as entertaining is it?

What does that have to do with the nature of conflict?

take two seconds to think about it.

Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:57:16 PM

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:54:47 PM

Quote from: Proleg on August 18, 2009, 07:35:57 PM

Quote from: Areweonfiya on August 18, 2009, 07:27:23 PM

If you want to make a true conflict, than you simply can not know the outcome.

wat

Have you ever watched the Star Wars trilogy twice? The second time isn't as entertaining is it?

What does that have to do with the nature of conflict?

take two seconds to think about it.

NO!

God didn't create atheists. God created man and gave us free will. Which gives us the ability to choose to believe or not to believe in the all mighty. Honestly this question is like asking why God allowed child molesters to roam earth. 

The only acceptable answer for this question (given the assumption that God exists and he created humans) is "for the lulz".

Quote from: Mykael on August 18, 2009, 09:53:48 PM

The only acceptable answer for this question (given the assumption that God exists and he created humans) is "for the lulz".

if you're 15 and repeat stupid shit like this constantly, yes.

you can add that line to the "not funny anymore" pile. its played out.

Alright, fine. "God created people who were destined for Hell purely for his own amusement." Guess what? Both sentences say the same thing.

God didn't create atheists. God created man and gave us free will. Which gives us the ability to choose to believe or not to believe in the all mighty. Honestly this question is like asking why God allowed child molesters to roam earth. 

Assuming god exists, yes he did. By giving us the ability to become atheists in addition knowing full well in advance that we would, he created us.

No Soze.  We have FREE WILL to choose to do exactly what God has preordained to happen.

because the Christian God is "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

because the Christian God is "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Nah, he just has bad press.

He wants you to recognize that this ordered and structured and clearly designed universe in which we live was created by something better than you without holding your hand and telling you.

So what created the ordered, structured and clearly designed Creator? For any creator capable of designing the Universe must be at least equally as complex.

No Soze.  We have FREE WILL to choose to do exactly what God has preordained to happen.

Think about that.

I shall think about nothing!

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 18, 2009, 06:48:36 PM

He wants you to recognize that this ordered and structured and clearly designed universe in which we live was created by something better than you without holding your hand and telling you.

So what created the ordered, structured and clearly designed Creator? For any creator capable of designing the Universe must be at least equally as complex.

The Creator created Himself.  Duh.  Since He is infinitely complex and we are quite finitely complex and therefore relative to Him infinitely simple we can't even begin to understand the mysteries of His existence.  That is for Him to know and Him only.

The Creator created Himself

pics or it didn't happen.

Quote from: Robosteve on August 19, 2009, 05:53:48 AM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 18, 2009, 06:48:36 PM

He wants you to recognize that this ordered and structured and clearly designed universe in which we live was created by something better than you without holding your hand and telling you.

So what created the ordered, structured and clearly designed Creator? For any creator capable of designing the Universe must be at least equally as complex.

The Creator created Himself.  Duh.  Since He is infinitely complex and we are quite finitely complex and therefore relative to Him infinitely simple we can't even begin to understand the mysteries of His existence.  That is for Him to know and Him only.

So the answer to 'how did God do it?' is, in fact, 'goddidit'

The Creator created Himself.  Duh.  Since He is infinitely complex and we are quite finitely complex and therefore relative to Him infinitely simple we can't even begin to understand the mysteries of His existence.  That is for Him to know and Him only.

So basically, creationism and information theory are incompatible disciplines.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 19, 2009, 02:53:14 AM

because the Christian God is "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Nah, he just has bad press.

I suggest you read the Old Testament.

Quote from: The Terror on August 19, 2009, 02:58:03 AM

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on August 19, 2009, 02:53:14 AM

because the Christian God is "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Nah, he just has bad press.

I suggest you read the Old Testament.

I think that's the press he's talking about.

How do you know?