Questions for Both FE and RE

To answer your first one, there's not enough people who believe that the Earth is indeed flat. It would be different if the government could disprove the Earth being sphere. It's like asking why doesn't the government disprove vampires?

I think I shall straighten the tables back for rogue. I know that the Earth is round.

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I thought I'd ask some questions from a neutral standpoint. Please don't fill this post with speculation or mathematical jargon. I'd like simple answers that either PROOVE or DISPROOVE these questions. Please, no speculation or opinions, only hard FACTS, proven by either photo, personal encounter, simple logic etc....

1) If the world in indeed a ball, why doesn't the government take a very easy and readily available option to stop these people saying it's flat? Take two people from each group of though up in a shuttle and let them see it for themselves. Running, un-edited film of what they see. This would either proove or disproove the theory.

2) HOW exactly is the government protecting this alleged ice wall that surrounds us? Supposedly this wall would be huge!! How is it possible they can protect every inch of it from someone getting to it?

3) Which government are we talking about?

4) It was mentioned in one of the threads that if one were to travel due East, and they believed the world was a ball, this would make sence. If they believed the earth was flat, this would also make sence because they would simply circle the earth. If the centre point for a compas is in the middle of a flat earth, then surely, travelling due south would proove or disproove the theory. The person would either reach the ice wall or would circle the globe and end up where they started. Why hasn't this been tested.

5) I heard that the FE people believe that there is no gravity, but we are travelling up. If this is the case, what is propelling us? Also, what direction are we travelling in. Surely travel in one direction cannot not continue for an infinate amount of time.

6) In a flat earth scenario, what causes tides?

7) In a flat earth scenario, how is it explained that in one hemisphere, people see certain constilations that they cannot see in the other, and vice versa?

7) In a flat earth scenario, how is it explained that in one hemisphere, people see certain constilations that they cannot see in the other, and vice versa?

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4) It was mentioned in one of the threads that if one were to travel due East, and they believed the world was a ball, this would make sence. If they believed the earth was flat, this would also make sence because they would simply circle the earth. If the centre point for a compas is in the middle of a flat earth, then surely, travelling due south would proove or disproove the theory. The person would either reach the ice wall or would circle the globe and end up where they started. Why hasn't this been tested.

If they reached the icewall, they would be swept away by the guards and/or brainwashed and/or otherwise convinced somehow that they had infact traveled over antarctica.  The compas would always point north reguardless of if the earth is flat or round, so that doesnt proove anything either way.

Explain how a compass would always point north near the ice walls on a FE, please?  I have lurked for some time and it seems the general FE'er consensus (and supported in the F.A.Q.) is that moving east or west would have you travel in a circle within the world's disc, maintaining an equal distance from the north pole/center.  By definition, this explicitly shuts down the idea that a compass would always point north near the ice walls, regardless of the direction you faced.

Some elaboration please?

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4) It was mentioned in one of the threads that if one were to travel due East, and they believed the world was a ball, this would make sence. If they believed the earth was flat, this would also make sence because they would simply circle the earth. If the centre point for a compas is in the middle of a flat earth, then surely, travelling due south would proove or disproove the theory. The person would either reach the ice wall or would circle the globe and end up where they started. Why hasn't this been tested.

If they reached the icewall, they would be swept away by the guards and/or brainwashed and/or otherwise convinced somehow that they had infact traveled over antarctica.  The compas would always point north reguardless of if the earth is flat or round, so that doesnt proove anything either way.

Explain how a compass would always point north near the ice walls on a FE, please?  I have lurked for some time and it seems the general FE'er consensus (and supported in the F.A.Q.) is that moving east or west would have you travel in a circle within the world's disc, maintaining an equal distance from the north pole/center.  By definition, this explicitly shuts down the idea that a compass would always point north near the ice walls, regardless of the direction you faced.

Some elaboration please?

Well, in a way, he's right, but I don't see how this would not prove or disprove the theory. The needle will indeed always point north. The point is, according to the FE theory if you travel due East, that is you travel at a direct 90 degree angle right of where the needle is, you will continue in a circle with the centre of the earth (north pole) on your left. My argument is then that if you were to to travel due south (180 degrees from where the needle is pointing), you would travel in the opposite direction from the centre of the earth. In a FE scenario, if we were to keep heading in this direction, we would then reach the outer rim, or I suppose if we continued, we would reach outer space. In a RE scenario, we would circle the globe and end up back where we started. This to me is a very simple way to solve the puzzle. Why hasn't this been tested?

Unless you were there, filming it youself, how could you ever proove it was unedited footage?  Secondly, did you see Space Cadets on channel 4?  going into space can be hoaxed by a TV station, so imagine how much more convincing a similar government hoax would be?  Even if you "saw" a round earth, how could you prove it was real?

Very good q.  But if they lied about the earth being round, surely they could also subtract the number of guards from the world population count?  The true world population could be 12 billion (in apose to 6 billion as is stated) which would make a guard for every man, woman and child on the planet.  And dont come back with "you cant fit the world population on antarctica" because you can fit 6 billion people on the isle of wight if you tried (and thats far smaller)

mathematical jargon.

I'd like simple answers that either PROOVE or DISPROOVE these questions. Please, no speculation or opinions, only hard FACTS, proven by either photo, personal encounter, simple logic etc.

1) If the world in indeed a ball, why doesn't the government take a very easy and readily available option to stop these people saying it's flat? Take two people from each group of though up in a shuttle and let them see it for themselves. Running, un-edited film of what they see. This would either proove or disproove the theory.

2) HOW exactly is the government protecting this alleged ice wall that surrounds us? Supposedly this wall would be huge!! How is it possible they can protect every inch of it from someone getting to it?

travelling due south would proove or disproove the theory.

I heard that the FE people believe that there is no gravity, but we are travelling up. ... Also, what direction are we travelling in.

Surely travel in one direction cannot not continue for an infinate amount of time.

I care because the Flat Earthers will miscalculate and sent burning satellite shrapnel hurling down in my back yard...

What is with people who say they want proof, but not "mathematical jargon"?  What's wrong with mathematical jargon?  How else do you prove anything?

Unless you're talking strictly about mathematical jargon -- which cannot be proven by photo or personal encounter -- you are asking the impossible.

If the world is indeed a ball, I can't imagine the government caring what the members of the Flat Earth Society think.

Another overasked question.  Why do they have to protect every inch of it?  It's not like if somebody touches it the world will explode or something.

No it wouldn't, since the ice wall looks an awful lot like Antarctica.

........... up?

To me, proof is being there, not a mathematical equasion that guesses the fact.

Why is this so impossible. The RE's have produced non-mathematical proof that the world is round by means of photos and personal encounters.

There is no such things as an over asked question, just an under answered one. If this has been asked too often, you obviously haven't answered it yet to the satisfaction required to prevent people asking it again. That's just common sence.

If there is an inch of the wall that is not protected, someone would be able to access the wall and proove the flatness of the earth.

The point I'm making is my doubt that the government could entirely protect the wall.

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........... up?

Yes, up. As in the opposite of down. In this contect I guess it would be best to say that in leiu of gravity, you believe we are moving in the oppoiste direction to downward force against the surface of the earth.

You pretty severly misunderstand what mathematics is doing.  There's no guesswork.  There's deduction; that's all.

Photos aren't the same as "being there", as you say above is what you believe a proof is.  What sort of "personal encounters" prove the Earth to be round?  Also, how can you share these encounters with others, to prove it to them as well?

Thanks for demonstrating the futility of common sense.
It's overasked because people who've never heard the answer keep showing up and asking, and we keep giving the answer.  The answer is, they don't need to protect the ice wall to the degree you think they do.

How would having access to an inch of the ice wall allow somebody to prove that the world is flat?

Yeah yeah.  That was me wondering what was going through your head when you said, "I heard FEers say we are travelling up... so, what direction are we travelling in?"