Latitudes

Interesting concept, and I have a test that can prove/disprove your theory once and for all.  It's actually quite simple, but would involve a bit of a budget.

Your map of Earth shows that the northern latitude line 35, and southern latitude line 35 (I chose 35 simply because it passes directly over major lands) as having substantially different sizes, while a RE's perspective would be that there are arguably identical in circumference.  I propose a "race" of sorts.  If two planes were to fly at relatively similar speeds, then they should take the same amount of time to circle the "globe" on either n35 or s35 latitude lines.  If your flat theory is actually correct, then the southern plane should not be able to keep up with the northern plane's time in any form whatsoever.

It would be impossible to deny the earth being spherical in shape if the planes had extremely similar times.  On the other hand, if the southern plane is constantly taking three or four times as long to make the same trip as the northern plane, you have some extremely solid evidence that would be nigh impossible to disprove.

Interesting concept, and I have a test that can prove/disprove your theory once and for all.  It's actually quite simple, but would involve a bit of a budget.

Your map of Earth shows that the northern latitude line 35, and southern latitude line 35 (I chose 35 simply because it passes directly over major lands) as having substantially different sizes, while a RE's perspective would be that there are arguably identical in circumference.  I propose a "race" of sorts.  If two planes were to fly at relatively similar speeds, then they should take the same amount of time to circle the "globe" on either n35 or s35 latitude lines.  If your flat theory is actually correct, then the southern plane should not be able to keep up with the northern plane's time in any form whatsoever.

It would be impossible to deny the earth being spherical in shape if the planes had extremely similar times.  On the other hand, if the southern plane is constantly taking three or four times as long to make the same trip as the northern plane, you have some extremely solid evidence that would be nigh impossible to disprove.

I don't know what the FE response to this is.

Quote from: Testthis on February 23, 2009, 09:44:58 PM

Interesting concept, and I have a test that can prove/disprove your theory once and for all.  It's actually quite simple, but would involve a bit of a budget.

Your map of Earth shows that the northern latitude line 35, and southern latitude line 35 (I chose 35 simply because it passes directly over major lands) as having substantially different sizes, while a RE's perspective would be that there are arguably identical in circumference.  I propose a "race" of sorts.  If two planes were to fly at relatively similar speeds, then they should take the same amount of time to circle the "globe" on either n35 or s35 latitude lines.  If your flat theory is actually correct, then the southern plane should not be able to keep up with the northern plane's time in any form whatsoever.

It would be impossible to deny the earth being spherical in shape if the planes had extremely similar times.  On the other hand, if the southern plane is constantly taking three or four times as long to make the same trip as the northern plane, you have some extremely solid evidence that would be nigh impossible to disprove.

I don't know what the FE response to this is.

Probably something along the lines of have fun and let us know how that works out for you.  And don't forget to thoroughly document your adventures.

No FE map currently available is an accurate representation of the earth.

An accurate map is of no importance in this test.  Attempt to draw a map that would show that the n35 and s35 latitude lines are similar, but the world is still flat.  It's impossible without breaking other latitude lines.

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Interesting concept, and I have a test that can prove/disprove your theory once and for all.  It's actually quite simple, but would involve a bit of a budget.

Your map of Earth shows that the northern latitude line 35, and southern latitude line 35 (I chose 35 simply because it passes directly over major lands) as having substantially different sizes, while a RE's perspective would be that there are arguably identical in circumference.  I propose a "race" of sorts.  If two planes were to fly at relatively similar speeds, then they should take the same amount of time to circle the "globe" on either n35 or s35 latitude lines.  If your flat theory is actually correct, then the southern plane should not be able to keep up with the northern plane's time in any form whatsoever.

It would be impossible to deny the earth being spherical in shape if the planes had extremely similar times.  On the other hand, if the southern plane is constantly taking three or four times as long to make the same trip as the northern plane, you have some extremely solid evidence that would be nigh impossible to disprove.

If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 10:30:48 AM

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

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If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

We're not making any claims.  We discussing a theory among ourselves and you came here, trying to disprove something we think may be true.  You have to prove your claim.

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 10:30:48 AM

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

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If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

We're not making any claims.  We discussing a theory among ourselves and you came here, trying to disprove something we think may be true.  You have to prove your claim.

Um...  You (FE'ers) are claiming that the earth is flat.

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 10:30:48 AM

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

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If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

We're not making any claims.  We discussing a theory among ourselves and you came here, trying to disprove something we think may be true.  You have to prove your claim.

I am not attempting to prove or disprove anything.  I am simply providing a test that a Flat Earth theorist could use to prove or disprove their own theory.

I claim nothing.

Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 24, 2009, 11:10:24 AM

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 10:30:48 AM

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

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If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

We're not making any claims.  We discussing a theory among ourselves and you came here, trying to disprove something we think may be true.  You have to prove your claim.

I am not attempting to prove or disprove anything.  I am simply providing a test that a Flat Earth theorist could use to prove or disprove their own theory.

I claim nothing.

A FE'er go out and prove their theory?!?!  You are new here, aren't you?

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:19:16 AM

Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 24, 2009, 11:10:24 AM

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 10:30:48 AM

Latitude as we measure it (angle to Polaris above the horizon from a given point in the northern hemisphere) is incompatible with FET.

Which is precisely why it qualifies as a good test.

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If you should happen to find someone willing to put the money up for this, I volunteer to be a the recorder on either flight.  I would prefer to be the observer on the southern flight, just in case.

Well, I figure the population who is making the outlandish claim in comparison to everyone else should be the one shouldering the responsibility of proving their claim.  I shouldn't claim that their exists a delicious layer of chocolate a thousand miles under the surface of the earth, and say that it's everyone else's responsibility to prove it.

I am perfectly happy in providing an infallible test, however.

We're not making any claims.  We discussing a theory among ourselves and you came here, trying to disprove something we think may be true.  You have to prove your claim.

I am not attempting to prove or disprove anything.  I am simply providing a test that a Flat Earth theorist could use to prove or disprove their own theory.

I claim nothing.

A FE'er go out and prove their theory?!?!  You are new here, aren't you?

Not true.  I am more than willing to go out and do any test(Within limits.), if someone is willing to pay for them.  Right now, I can only perform one test, at my financial level.

Looking out my window seems to prove the flat earth theory.

I fully expected this to be a troll site.  And I'm positive that many of the so called "FE'ers" are just trolls here for some fun.  But all of my research shows that some FE'ers are 100% genuine in their beliefs.

Since they appear like they are set on proving their theory, I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such.  If I had a theory that I proclaimed loudly and wasn't completely sure of myself, I wouldn't want to test it either.

I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such.  

Buy us two planes and we will do it.

I fully expected this to be a troll site.  And I'm positive that many of the so called "FE'ers" are just trolls here for some fun.  But all of my research shows that some FE'ers are 100% genuine in their beliefs.

Since they appear like they are set on proving their theory, I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such.  If I had a theory that I proclaimed loudly and wasn't completely sure of myself, I wouldn't want to test it either.

I seriously doubt you could find three people on this site who believe in FE.  Believers in anything are rare here.

Looking out my window seems to prove the flat earth theory.

I'm sorry, but how is this supposed to prove the shape of the earth?

Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 24, 2009, 11:45:30 AM

Looking out my window seems to prove the flat earth theory.

I'm sorry, but how is this supposed to prove the shape of the earth?

I don't know, but that's not my window.  Are you a member of the Conspiracy?

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:51:03 AM

I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such.  

Buy us two planes and we will do it.

Or just pick a few flight paths that near enough follow the route. Call the airlines and check they arrived on time. Compare your northern and soutern hemisphere results.

Shouldn't be too hard.

Come on, this is armchair science.

Quote from: Robbyj on February 24, 2009, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:51:03 AM

I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such. 

Buy us two planes and we will do it.

Or just pick a few flight paths that near enough follow the route. Call the airlines and check they arrived on time. Compare your northern and soutern hemisphere results.

Shouldn't be too hard.

Come on, this is armchair science.

Which airlines do you suppose fly around the world on a regular basis? 

Quote from: yamama on February 24, 2009, 12:34:06 PM

Quote from: Robbyj on February 24, 2009, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:51:03 AM

I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such. 

Buy us two planes and we will do it.

Or just pick a few flight paths that near enough follow the route. Call the airlines and check they arrived on time. Compare your northern and soutern hemisphere results.

Shouldn't be too hard.

Come on, this is armchair science.

Which airlines do you suppose fly around the world on a regular basis? 

Well you'd obviously need to make links between airports.

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2009, 12:46:56 PM

Quote from: yamama on February 24, 2009, 12:34:06 PM

Quote from: Robbyj on February 24, 2009, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:51:03 AM

I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such. 

Buy us two planes and we will do it.

Or just pick a few flight paths that near enough follow the route. Call the airlines and check they arrived on time. Compare your northern and soutern hemisphere results.

Shouldn't be too hard.

Come on, this is armchair science.

Which airlines do you suppose fly around the world on a regular basis? 

Well you'd obviously need to make links between airports.

Which defeats the purpose of the experiment because long distance flights don't follow lines of latitude.  They follow a great circle route.

It wouldn't really matter that much.  With the flat earth model, the southern continents would have to be stretched out (from a RE'ers point of view), or the ocean between the continents would.  You'd still have a huge problem when trying to add up the distance around the globe south of the equator.  A flight from California to Japan should take substantially less time than a flight from Chile to Australia.

Yet they take close to the same amount of time, both around 12 hours.

This presents an obvious conundrum for FE theorists.

Quote from: Testthis on February 24, 2009, 11:51:03 AM

I fully expected this to be a troll site.  And I'm positive that many of the so called "FE'ers" are just trolls here for some fun.  But all of my research shows that some FE'ers are 100% genuine in their beliefs.

Since they appear like they are set on proving their theory, I've come up with a plan that would allow them to do such.  If I had a theory that I proclaimed loudly and wasn't completely sure of myself, I wouldn't want to test it either.

I seriously doubt you could find three people on this site who believe in FE.  Believers in anything are rare here.

I'm pretty sure Tom is one of the very few true believers. Or maybe he doesn't even believe in the FE theory and he actually just enjoys making people angry.

Good experiment Testhis, if I could I would volenteer to prove to the FE'ers that the world is round.

Oh, and has anybody noticed that Tom and all the hardcore FE'ers never respond to a thread that so obviously will prove their theory wrong?

Just a little something I noticed.

Well, anyone with a little bit of sense, the internet, and about 10 minutes to do the research can find out how long the flights take.  When you add up the numbers, you'll notice that something is incredibly off.  Unless, of course, you're part of the vast majority who believes in a round Earth.

The problem here is that people justify their zealous beliefs to ridiculous lengths, trying to satisfy themselves.  Admitting you're wrong is very difficult, especially when you build your life around a concept.  I'm a born again atheist as of six months ago, and I'll be twenty-seven in a month.  I was literally crying, scared at my realization.  But when I got over it, I started to study the theories behind the big bang, evolution, abiogenesis, etc...  And I found them fascinating, and even comforting.

Admitting when you're wrong is difficult, but it comes with a certain sort of bliss.

The problem here is that people justify their zealous beliefs to ridiculous lengths, trying to satisfy themselves.  Admitting you're wrong is very difficult, especially when you build your life around a concept.  I'm a born again atheist as of six months ago, and I'll be twenty-seven in a month.  I was literally crying, scared at my realization.  But when I got over it, I started to study the theories behind the big bang, evolution, abiogenesis, etc...  And I found them fascinating, and even comforting.

Admitting when you're wrong is difficult, but it comes with a certain sort of bliss.

That's great. I suggest you to peruse the Flat Earth Literature when you want start crying scared in realization again

Which defeats the purpose of the experiment because long distance flights don't follow lines of latitude.  They follow a great circle route.

What do you mean by "great circle route".

You could still link flight times from Sydney, Johannesburg and Sao Paulo and compare them to something similar in the northern hemisphere.

Eg, New York, Moscow, Tokyo (very rough guess)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_circle

Yes, circular flight routes. Stops planes hitting each other. Ride the jet stream.

That doesn't change the proposition.