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What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?

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What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« on: January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM »
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 03:33:13 PM »
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
That was back when the presence of God actually dwelt within the temple. You could not go into his presence unless you were completely clean spiritually. if you weren't you would die instantly.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 03:56:46 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
That was back when the presence of God actually dwelt within the temple. You could not go into his presence unless you were completely clean spiritually. if you weren't you would die instantly.

And if you get neutered, God doesn't want you around.  You can't breed for him, so you're trash to thrown out.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 04:01:29 PM »
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on January 28, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
That was back when the presence of God actually dwelt within the temple. You could not go into his presence unless you were completely clean spiritually. if you weren't you would die instantly.

And if you get neutered, God doesn't want you around.  You can't breed for him, so you're trash to thrown out.
He makes the rules. You had to be completely clean and that stuff probably made you unclean.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 04:18:03 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on January 28, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
That was back when the presence of God actually dwelt within the temple. You could not go into his presence unless you were completely clean spiritually. if you weren't you would die instantly.

And if you get neutered, God doesn't want you around.  You can't breed for him, so you're trash to thrown out.
He makes the rules. You had to be completely clean and that stuff probably made you unclean.

How does being injured in the groin and losing your dick make you unclean?

I won't even go into the thousands and thousands of people that were mistreated for being bastards over the centuries after Xtians made being a bastard not only a religious crime but a social one and in some places, a legal crime as well.

God, if he exists and he made this world we inhabit, was seven kinds of an idiot.

He created a people that were imperfect, allowed his only rival to corrupt them further and then handed down rules you had to perfect to follow.

By the time he figured out that he had fucked up that big, his only recourse was to sacrifice his son to stir up enough attention to enforce the new rules.

And even then, because he can't get anyone to agree on what his son said, the fuck ups continue.

God, as I said early, is an idiot.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 04:22:15 PM »
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on January 28, 2009, 04:18:03 PM
God, if he exists and he made this world we inhabit, was seven kinds of an idiot.
That is assuming he gives a shit about us. If some God exists, it clearly is not concerned with the affairs of its creations.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 04:23:51 PM »
You are supposed to be clean in every way so I suppose that makes you unclean, don't ask me why.
And it doesn't even matter because it no longer applies. Your arguments are old and very unoriginal by the way.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 04:25:59 PM »
Quote from: Proleg on January 28, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on January 28, 2009, 04:18:03 PM
God, if he exists and he made this world we inhabit, was seven kinds of an idiot.
That is assuming he gives a shit about us. If some God exists, it clearly is not concerned with the affairs of its creations.

Would you after a couple hundred years or so?

I'd have moved onto another part of the universe and done something neat there, like black holes or little gray aliens...
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 04:26:11 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
You are supposed to be clean in every way so I suppose that makes you unclean, don't ask me why.
And it doesn't even matter because it no longer applies. Your arguments are old and very unoriginal by the way.

They might not be original but they're still valid.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 04:26:55 PM »
Quote from: Proleg on January 28, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on January 28, 2009, 04:18:03 PM
God, if he exists and he made this world we inhabit, was seven kinds of an idiot.
That is assuming he gives a shit about us. If some God exists, it clearly is not concerned with the affairs of its creations.

If he does exist, a point I do not make, he has some interest.  He did spend the entire timeline of the old testesment showing up, until jesus.  It's possible that he was just a child of his people and now he's outgrown us.
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Proleg

Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 04:30:18 PM »
Or the Bible is just Bronze Age Palestinian psychobabble.
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KingMan

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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 04:47:13 PM »
Every single thread here(cept for the islam ones) are basically the same.
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Proleg

Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 04:54:34 PM »
Then update your source material or stop bitching.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 08:22:55 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 28, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
And it doesn't even matter because it no longer applies.
Spoken like a true born again.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »
Quote from: Proleg on January 28, 2009, 04:30:18 PM
Or the Bible is just Bronze Age Palestinian psychobabble.

DING!!  We have a winnar!
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 07:04:08 AM »
Quote from: Jesus Crotch on January 28, 2009, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: Proleg on January 28, 2009, 04:30:18 PM
Or the Bible is just Bronze Age Palestinian psychobabble.

DING!!  We have a winnar!
Except it was written mostly in Israel.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2009, 08:35:22 AM »
Yes, because we know that israeli people are so much better. And were back at the bronze age as well.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 11:44:50 AM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 29, 2009, 07:04:08 AM
Quote from: Jesus Crotch on January 28, 2009, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: Proleg on January 28, 2009, 04:30:18 PM
Or the Bible is just Bronze Age Palestinian psychobabble.

DING!!  We have a winnar!
Except it was written mostly in Israel.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 11:53:09 AM »
I don't think Israel existed during the Bronze Age.. well it was called Canaan, I think.  Also, the bible wasn't written mostly in Israel either, the stories are from all over Mesopotamia and Northern Africa.  
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 03:35:35 PM »
And what was the original language of the bible?
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 03:39:18 PM »
Quote from: Wakka Wakka on January 29, 2009, 03:35:35 PM
And what was the original language of the bible?

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/content/what-was-original-language

The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek.

HISTORY OF TRANSLATIONS

The first translation of the English Bible was initiated by John Wycliffe and completed by John Purvey in 1388.

A few chapters of the books Ezra (ch. 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26) and Daniel (ch. 2:4 to 7:28), one verse in Jeremiah (ch. 10:11, and a word in Genesis (ch. 31:47) are written, not in ancient Hebrew, but in Aramaic. Aramaic is about as closely related to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese. However, the differences between Aramaic and Hebrew are not those of dialect, and the two are regarded as two separate languages.

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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2009, 03:02:43 PM »
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And what was the original language of the bible?

Difficult to answer as it was largely oral tradition before it was first written down.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 01:38:06 PM »
A lot of the stories were borrowed from ancient Sumerian myth (changed but similar).  The bible changed a lot before it was finally written down. 
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 06:20:13 PM »
YOU MEAN THE BIBLE IS A LIE???  :'(
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2009, 05:25:00 PM »
I don't think it's all a lie, just the mystical magical stuff, and probably some of the history is a bit off (what history isn't?).  Read the story of Enki and Ninhursag, you'll see the similarities.   
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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 03:42:47 AM »
I really love the bible bashers who set out thinking that the bible is 100% factually correct. ::)
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 06:38:11 AM »
Quote from: Wendy on February 02, 2009, 03:42:47 AM
I really love the bible bashers who set out thinking that the bible is 100% factually correct. ::)
They then turn the table giving the "metaphoric" excuse when you start plucking all the batshit crazy out.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2009, 01:13:37 PM »
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

The original probably made more sense - a lot is lost in translation:

Original: And then Steve said "you better not show up to fight my ass if you ain't got brass balls".
Translation to non-English speaker: And then Steve said "you should not arrive to fight my donkey if your testicles aren't made of brass".
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2009, 03:13:25 PM »
Ah yes, the 'lost in translation' apologist. To me a badly translated divine text is more proof against a Holy origin than just leaving it as incomprehensible rubbish, it strikes me as bizarre that a loving God who wants the people to read his book would not have copy-checked it first and made sure it was right.
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Re: What is the moral lesson to be learned from this bible verse?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2009, 03:20:59 PM »
Quote from: Grain on January 28, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Deuteronomy 23:1-2 (KJV)

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

lmao!!!!! Wow, that's a keeper. I didn't know about that verse. Amazing!
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