Okay. I want pictures of this ice wall.

I was actually one of those guards too. They actually only have about 5 people around the earth because we had access to both a high tech security camera system to detect all intruders, and they had developed powerful mental teleportation techniques that required upwards of 10 years of gruesome training. If you watch DBZ, its sort of the same thing that Goku does. I am only able to tell you this because I managed to sneak out of the last psychopharmacological intravenous drug treatment they administered to us "Icemen" (thats what our official name is). Usually it ensures that our mental capabilities are in tiptop shape for our teleportation abilities, but the last round before we re-enter the civilian world is actually a drug cocktail intended to wipe our memories. Unfortunately I've lost those abilities because I'm not sure what sort of drugs they had administered.

ice wall is so dumb.

my tongue was stuck to it

my tongue was stuck to it

That's happened to me before as well. You have to watch out, I carry some of those instant hand warmers just in case.

HAHA! You guys are the biggest douche bags for believing this.

You all are probably some fat fucks who need something to believe in.

Go kill yourselves.

HAHA! You guys are the biggest douche bags for believing this.

You all are probably some fat fucks who need something to believe in.

Go kill yourselves.

See you in two days.

okay, so your telling me that we have telescopes that can see billions of miles away, yet no one has even seen this "ice wall" other then the government? how far can telescoped that kids use see? because im pretty sure that at the closest point to the "ice wall" we can be able to see it via telescope.

unless youre telling me that the government also made up telescopes, and that telescopes are simply tubes with pictures on the end of them.

WHAT WHAT now the earth has an ice wall and its flat and they hide the wall with a cloak of darkness ok then so how do ships get from america to japan

i came to this site to prove you people that the earth is round but now i think ..... you say the earth is flat , science has proof the earth is round, you ask us prove that the eath is round but we were here first so now you prove to us the earthget me an immage from space showing me the earth laying on its side and i will beleve but no FE belevers are astronauts meteorologests or astonimers ..... cuz they can see a round earth   

Read the FAQ.

apologies for my lack of understanding, the faq is pretty heavy. I'm not sure if you believe the earth is rotating (if not centrifugal force is irelevant). It also says that the icewall is a mountain range. Even so, the pressure point stands. Which you haven't answered by the way. I dont think the presumed plan would work anyway, one guy in thermal clothing and a camoflaged rowing boat plus a video camera could beat it.

Mr. the Great, I am not impressed by your analysis.

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air.  From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther).  Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints.  If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour.  In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes.  Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads.  Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer.  Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes.  We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence.  Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well.  There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from.  Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start.  Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions.  If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Basically, your objection is a straw man at best.

Add weather, and some snowmobiles for the "intruders" and your theory falls down to the ground so fast you wont have time to say Kawapalunga!

Quote from: Erasmus on June 16, 2006, 09:53:14 AM

Mr. the Great, I am not impressed by your analysis.

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air.  From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther).  Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints.  If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour.  In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes.  Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads.  Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer.  Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes.  We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence.  Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well.  There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from.  Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start.  Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions.  If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Basically, your objection is a straw man at best.

Add weather, and some snowmobiles for the "intruders" and your theory falls down to the ground so fast you wont have time to say Kawapalunga!

If only you were responding to someone who was still active on the forums.

Quote from: MrCrazyMc on January 21, 2009, 11:56:14 AM

Quote from: Erasmus on June 16, 2006, 09:53:14 AM

Mr. the Great, I am not impressed by your analysis.

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air.  From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther).  Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints.  If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour.  In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes.  Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads.  Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer.  Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes.  We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence.  Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well.  There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from.  Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start.  Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions.  If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Basically, your objection is a straw man at best.

Add weather, and some snowmobiles for the "intruders" and your theory falls down to the ground so fast you wont have time to say Kawapalunga!

If only you were responding to someone who was still active on the forums.

Ohh... Well... Im kinda new here, I didn't know that. But any FESupporter can repply to my coment.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on January 21, 2009, 11:59:10 AM

Quote from: MrCrazyMc on January 21, 2009, 11:56:14 AM

Quote from: Erasmus on June 16, 2006, 09:53:14 AM

Mr. the Great, I am not impressed by your analysis.

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air.  From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther).  Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints.  If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour.  In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes.  Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads.  Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer.  Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes.  We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence.  Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well.  There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from.  Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start.  Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions.  If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Basically, your objection is a straw man at best.

Add weather, and some snowmobiles for the "intruders" and your theory falls down to the ground so fast you wont have time to say Kawapalunga!

If only you were responding to someone who was still active on the forums.

Ohh... Well... Im kinda new here, I didn't know that. But any FESupporter can repply to my coment.

I don't believe the ice wall is guarded.

Hmm...Nobody knows what causes gravity, so we can therefore assume it doesn't exist.

That's some shady reasoning you've done there.

Just because we do not know what causes gravity, doesn't mean it's not there. We can
observe its effect.

Just because we do not know what causes gravity, doesn't mean it's not there. We can
observe its effect.

When I was a kid I could observe the effect of a Tooth Fairy and a Santa Clause. "Gravity" is just a theory, no more than that.

Quote from: TheEngineer on November 06, 2006, 01:34:01 AM

Hmm...Nobody knows what causes gravity, so we can therefore assume it doesn't exist.

That's some shady reasoning you've done there.

Just because we do not know what causes gravity, doesn't mean it's not there. We can
observe its effect.

Is there not a Norwegian translation for 'shady'?

The ice wall is a mountain range, covered in snow and ice.

hahahaha idiocy makes me laugh. did you ever do plate tectonics in geography? mountains are formed by converging plates at destructive margins. the heavy oceanic crust(SiMa:composed of silicon and magnesium primarily) collides with the light continental crust(SiAl:primarily silicon and aluminium) .the oceanic crust being heavier is pulled down and destroyed in the magma and creates an oceanic trench. this is called subduction. the continental crust which is light is folded by the impact thus creating "fold" mountains for example the destructive margin between the nazca plate and the south american plate.

to refer back to the idiocy of your comment, please explain how a mountain range was formed by a continental plate colliding with space.

Quote from: MrCrazyMc on January 21, 2009, 12:08:27 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on January 21, 2009, 11:59:10 AM

Quote from: MrCrazyMc on January 21, 2009, 11:56:14 AM

Quote from: Erasmus on June 16, 2006, 09:53:14 AM

Mr. the Great, I am not impressed by your analysis.

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air.  From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther).  Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints.  If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour.  In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes.  Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads.  Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer.  Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes.  We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence.  Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well.  There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from.  Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start.  Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions.  If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Basically, your objection is a straw man at best.

Add weather, and some snowmobiles for the "intruders" and your theory falls down to the ground so fast you wont have time to say Kawapalunga!

If only you were responding to someone who was still active on the forums.

Ohh... Well... Im kinda new here, I didn't know that. But any FESupporter can repply to my coment.

I don't believe the ice wall is guarded.

It doesn't need to be;  Antarctica is simply hard to get to.  Even when, like myself, I paid and booked a trip there.  *grumble grumble*

Quote from: svenanders on January 21, 2009, 12:30:37 PM

Just because we do not know what causes gravity, doesn't mean it's not there. We can
observe its effect.

When I was a kid I could observe the effect of a Tooth Fairy and a Santa Clause. "Gravity" is just a theory, no more than that.

Yes. Einstein came up with the theory of Santa. It's pretty much been proven that gravity exists, although it's still technically a theory because it's impossible to 'prove' anything. Also I've been wondering how you guys actually came to the conclusion of there being a giant wall of ice, and why it should exist. Surely if gravity isn't real then the water wouldn't fall into space?

9 pages of posts spanning over three entire years, and not one single person posted one single picture of The Great Ice Wall.

When I first read this site and heard people calling Flat Earth Society members losers, I thought it was rude. Now I simply think it was honest.

9 pages of posts spanning over three entire years, and not one single person posted one single picture of The Great Ice Wall.

I personally am not convinced the "Great Ice Wall" necessarily exists.  Its existence was theorized because it was believed that something needed to be holding in the atmosphere, but I feel this is easily taken care of in our model by the dark energy field.  As far as not posting any pictures, well, none of us have any.  How can we post something we don't have?

Of course, the "Lesser Ice Wall", if you wish, which forms a barrier around the oceans, has been confirmed to exist photographically.

When I first read this site and heard people calling Flat Earth Society members losers, I thought it was rude. Now I simply think it was honest.

A sad inability on your part to understand the point of this forum doesn't make us the losers.

Quote from: DunkMe on April 09, 2009, 10:09:49 PM

9 pages of posts spanning over three entire years, and not one single person posted one single picture of The Great Ice Wall.

I personally am not convinced the "Great Ice Wall" necessarily exists.  Its existence was theorized because it was believed that something needed to be holding in the atmosphere, but I feel this is easily taken care of in our model by the dark energy field.

And I'm not convinced that a dark energy field could possibly exist, let alone hold in an atmoplane.  Roundy, do you know of any confirmed examples of energy being able to contain normal matter?  Magnetic containment of plasma is about the only thing that I can think of and that is a far cry from a DEF containing air.

As far as not posting any pictures, well, none of us have any.  How can we post something we don't have?

Got it. Only blind faith, with zero evidence, makes people accept the existence of something supposedly in the physical world and spanning over 75,000 miles but which nobody has ever seen or proved to exist. 

Two words: Jim Jones. (Hint: check the ingredients of your Kool-aid.)

Of course, the "Lesser Ice Wall", if you wish, which forms a barrier around the oceans, has been confirmed to exist photographically.

Then provide the photographs of the "Lesser Ice Wall" and the photographic evidence that it "forms a barrier around the oceans." Looking forward to the pictures showing an ice wall forming a barrier around oceans.

NOTE: I'm not asking for a close-up shot of one small section of an ice shelf. You said it forms a barrier around the oceans. Prove it. The only thing you KNOW is that you cannot prove it.

Then provide the photographs of the "Lesser Ice Wall" and the photographic evidence that it "forms a barrier around the oceans." Looking forward to the pictures showing an ice wall forming a barrier around oceans.

NOTE: I'm not asking for a close-up shot of one small section of an ice shelf. You said it forms a barrier around the oceans. Prove it. The only thing you KNOW is that you cannot prove it.

The RE model agrees that one can only go south from any point for so far before running into a barrier of ice.  Since the two models agree with each other why should I have to prove it?

In all honesty, I'm not out to prove anything about either model anyway.  I'm just here to argue the plausibility of a flat Earth.

And I'm sure you realize that what you're asking for is impossible.  How does one go about photographing a giant barrier of ice that encircles the Earth in its entirety? 

Quote from: DunkMe on April 10, 2009, 06:51:53 AM

Then provide the photographs of the "Lesser Ice Wall" and the photographic evidence that it "forms a barrier around the oceans." Looking forward to the pictures showing an ice wall forming a barrier around oceans.

NOTE: I'm not asking for a close-up shot of one small section of an ice shelf. You said it forms a barrier around the oceans. Prove it. The only thing you KNOW is that you cannot prove it.

The RE model agrees that one can only go south from any point for so far before running into a barrier of ice.  Since the two models agree with each other why should I have to prove it?

In all honesty, I'm not out to prove anything about either model anyway.  I'm just here to argue the plausibility of a flat Earth.

And I'm sure you realize that what you're asking for is impossible.  How does one go about photographing a giant barrier of ice that encircles the Earth in its entirety? 

A 'barrier of ice' does not equate to 'a barrier of ice surrounding Earth'.

If it did, that would mean that one could use a picture of a section of the Great Wall of China to prove that it goes around the planet -- laughable on its face.

But hey, with that logic you can also show a section of your johnson and claim you've got a footlong hotdog on your hands, too -- leaving yourself a future in imaginary porn.

You could provide pictures from high enough altitude to show extremely long sections of your ice wall -- if it existed. But you (like everyone else here) know it doesn't exist.

Whatever you gain from this site that has you posting 13,000 times is beyond me. I enjoy debating, but not when a whole cadre of people take up a position they cannot defend with facts, science or even logic. At best, anyone who takes up the "earth is flat" position is simply playing a silly game without the significant purpose falsely portrayed on this site -- making the debating pointless. Much ado about nothing.

Only because you and your cohorts pass this off as somehow annointed by logic and science only makes it insulting to those who actually believe your sincerity until they figure out the truth of this place.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 10, 2009, 11:39:22 AM

Quote from: DunkMe on April 10, 2009, 06:51:53 AM

Then provide the photographs of the "Lesser Ice Wall" and the photographic evidence that it "forms a barrier around the oceans." Looking forward to the pictures showing an ice wall forming a barrier around oceans.

NOTE: I'm not asking for a close-up shot of one small section of an ice shelf. You said it forms a barrier around the oceans. Prove it. The only thing you KNOW is that you cannot prove it.

The RE model agrees that one can only go south from any point for so far before running into a barrier of ice.  Since the two models agree with each other why should I have to prove it?

In all honesty, I'm not out to prove anything about either model anyway.  I'm just here to argue the plausibility of a flat Earth.

And I'm sure you realize that what you're asking for is impossible.  How does one go about photographing a giant barrier of ice that encircles the Earth in its entirety? 

A 'barrier of ice' does not equate to 'a barrier of ice surrounding Earth'.

It does in the FE model.

If it did, that would mean that one could use a picture of a section of the Great Wall of China to prove that it goes around the planet -- laughable on its face.

No, it wouldn't.  I've already stated that it would be impossible to prove photographically that there's a barrier of ice surrounding the Earth - that's what's "laughable on its face".

But hey, with that logic you can also show a section of your johnson and claim you've got a footlong hotdog on your hands, too -- leaving yourself a future in imaginary porn.

What logic?  I think you're kind of confused here. 

You could provide pictures from high enough altitude to show extremely long sections of your ice wall -- if it existed. But you (like everyone else here) know it doesn't exist.

How would I get access to such pictures? 

Whatever you gain from this site that has you posting 13,000 times is beyond me. I enjoy debating, but not when a whole cadre of people take up a position they cannot defend with facts, science or even logic. At best, anyone who takes up the "earth is flat" position is simply playing a silly game without the significant purpose falsely portrayed on this site -- making the debating pointless. Much ado about nothing.

To each his own, I suppose.

Only because you and your cohorts pass this off as somehow annointed by logic and science only makes it insulting to those who actually believe your sincerity until they figure out the truth of this place.

Aw, were you insulted?  Poor baby.

Is it just me or are the noobs more melodramatic than usual?

Roundy, your new avatar is hilarious.

well now before I post them...

if I can provide pictures of an Icewall, in high quality, which is thousands of meters high, and extends left and right as far as the camera can see, would there be any RE'ers converted to truth?

I want your solemn word on this. my bet though is you will regard them as faked.

so why even ask for them?