Take a close look at the Lunar Lander

Quote from: Vladtheimpaler on January 12, 2009, 08:39:19 PM

Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 12, 2009, 08:27:43 PM

Your explanations are much more complex and intimate than my own.

That's your opinion. This conspiracy and human emotions are both complex creatures. You accept yours as being more probable just as I do mine.

There is no doubt that the Conspiracy exists though...

Your blind faith is a fatal flaw. Nothing is 100%, you of all people should believe that.

Sure, there are other possibilities...but what evidence is there to support them?

What evidence is there that he is lying, other than his demeanor? Did he mix up his facts, get something wrong? I'm not being condescending, it's an honest question.

My example of shell shocked troops is evidence that he could have been breaking down.

Your blind faith is a fatal flaw. Nothing is 100%, you of all people should believe that.

Please explain to me how there couldn't be a Conspiracy when the earth is flat...

What evidence is there that he is lying, other than his demeanor? Did he mix up his facts, get something wrong? I'm not being condescending, it's an honest question.

My example of shell shocked troops is evidence that he could have been breaking down.

As a poster boy of the Conspiracy, how are we to take anything he says seriously?

Quote from: Vladtheimpaler on January 12, 2009, 08:54:03 PM

Your blind faith is a fatal flaw. Nothing is 100%, you of all people should believe that.

Please explain to me how there couldn't be a Conspiracy when the earth is flat...

I had a feeling trying to debate this with you was a waste of time. Why do you insist on arguing in circles with everybody? There is not 100% proof the earth is flat, therefore there is not 100% proof that there is a conspiracy, therefore you cannot know with 100% certainty that he is lying. What about this don't you understand?

Follow the link in my signature and educate yourself...

The press conference was also scripted, yet he flubbed it. The question remains why he was so calm while on the moon and yet was practically wetting himself while on earth.

He fluffed his lines on the moon as well. He should have said "one small step for A man etc...." but ended up saying "one small step for man...."

so fail.

Quote from: KingMan on January 12, 2009, 07:18:38 PM

You really cannot read can you? Alright, I petition all REers to shun this penguin. She is not worth our time. Talking to her is a waste of life force.

If you do not have anything constructive to add, don't post.

That was sort of my point. You don't have anything constructive to add, ever.

The onus is not on us. Feel free to psychoanalyze/interrogate the man and get back to us on your results...

Good luck getting to him, by the way.

You're the one making the accusation Cheryl.  Good god woman you can't even follow your own rules.

Follow the link in my signature and educate yourself...

reading science fiction isn't eductional

Follow the link in my signature and educate yourself...

With completely false info? yeah right.

Cheryl, you have obviously never been in any sort of "pressure cooker" situation or you wouldn't be so narrow minded about this. People have different strengths and weaknesses. Of course he is going to be calm when he traveled to the moon. It was his job, and any sort of screw up in an operation like that could spell disaster. Being calm in those sorts of situations was probably one of the main reasons he was chosen; you can't exactly go apeshit whenever an alarm starts buzzing.

It is comparable to soldiers being diagnosed with "shell shock" after they had already returned from active duty. When you are in the heat of the moment, you aren't thinking about the big picture. Not the repercussions, not the fame of an historic mission, not even whether or not his hot blonde neighbour will sleep with him now that he's famous. He did his job, returned, and finally had time to sit back and think, "Wow, was I really just on the moon?" (Well, assuming all of this actually happened. He could be lying, of course, but this is far from proof).

Vladtheimpaler may have a point here with his shell shock theory. I would be pretty shocked too if I had just landed on the moon in a lander made of construction paper, old shower curtain rods, tin foil, roofing paper, and scotch tape to hold it all together.

Quote from: Vladtheimpaler on January 12, 2009, 07:55:59 PM

Cheryl, you have obviously never been in any sort of "pressure cooker" situation or you wouldn't be so narrow minded about this. People have different strengths and weaknesses. Of course he is going to be calm when he traveled to the moon. It was his job, and any sort of screw up in an operation like that could spell disaster. Being calm in those sorts of situations was probably one of the main reasons he was chosen; you can't exactly go apeshit whenever an alarm starts buzzing.

It is comparable to soldiers being diagnosed with "shell shock" after they had already returned from active duty. When you are in the heat of the moment, you aren't thinking about the big picture. Not the repercussions, not the fame of an historic mission, not even whether or not his hot blonde neighbour will sleep with him now that he's famous. He did his job, returned, and finally had time to sit back and think, "Wow, was I really just on the moon?" (Well, assuming all of this actually happened. He could be lying, of course, but this is far from proof).

Vladtheimpaler may have a point here with his shell shock theory. I would be pretty shocked too if I had just landed on the moon in a lander made of construction paper, old shower curtain rods, tin foil, roofing paper, and scotch tape to hold it all together.

Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

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Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

Tom, think you have to remember that:

1. There is no atmosphere (atmosplane?) on the moon, so the aerodynamic qualities of the vehicle are irrelevant, hence the design is not constrained by airflow considerations. (hence is does not need to look like something off Thunderbirds)

2. The moon's gravity (gravitational interaction) is ¹/₆ that of the earth, so the apparently fragile construction is also irrelevant;  It is more relevant to weight-saving for the initial launch.

3. The "cobbled together" appearance looks quite dinky.

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Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

the locations are obivious

I'm sure "space age materials" in the 60's were a little different than what we would think now.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 13, 2009, 08:40:02 PM

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Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

the locations are obivious

before i get hammered on my poor spelling let me correct that last post, it should say "the locations are obvious"

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 07:24:46 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 13, 2009, 08:40:02 PM

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Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

the locations are obivious

before i get hammered on my poor spelling let me correct that last post, it should say "the locations are obvious"

You could have just edited the post and then none of us would have been any the wiser...

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 09:44:25 AM

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 07:24:46 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 13, 2009, 08:40:02 PM

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Could you point out the where each of those items are located on the lander please

The locations are obvious.

Can you please take the photo in the op and draw arrows to point out to us where NASA's billion dollar space-age materials are? I'm interested in taking a look at them for further analysis.

the locations are obivious

before i get hammered on my poor spelling let me correct that last post, it should say "the locations are obvious"

You could have just edited the post and then none of us would have been any the wiser...

boy do i have egg on my face...i was going to lie and make up some definition for the word obivious that would support my argument but i couldnt think of anything

boy do i have egg on my face...i was going to lie and make up some definition for the word obivious that would support my argument but i couldnt think of anything

I doubt anybody could make up words and not get caught. Especially when you consider that everybody reading it, is sitting at a computer with an internet connection. 

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 10:35:09 AM

boy do i have egg on my face...i was going to lie and make up some definition for the word obivious that would support my argument but i couldnt think of anything

I doubt anybody could make up words and not get caught. Especially when you consider that everybody reading it, is sitting at a computer with an internet connection. 

yes and because FEers would love to catch a REer in an obvious lie, and vice versa. 

yes and because FEers would love to catch a REer in an obvious lie, and vice versa. 

I love to catch anyone in a lie, regardless of their position. 

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 10:45:21 AM

yes and because FEers would love to catch a REer in an obvious lie, and vice versa. 

I love to catch anyone in a lie, regardless of their position. 

good point

And? It's from 1964, so not really going to be a golden cell phone.

If there was a conspiracy to fake the moon landing we have to assume that the KGB knew about it.

Can someone propose a likely scenario in which the KGB would allow the Americans to get away with a fake moon landing and humiliate the mighty Soviet machine in front of the World.

the locations are obivious

I'm sorry, after reviewing the image again I couldn't seem to find any of NASA's space-age materials. Maybe it's underneath all the cardboard paper and tape?

If there was a conspiracy to fake the moon landing we have to assume that the KGB knew about it.

Can someone propose a likely scenario in which the KGB would allow the Americans to get away with a fake moon landing and humiliate the mighty Soviet machine in front of the World.

There wasn't any active hostility between the Americans and Soviets. Any hostility was passive and preemptive. During the Cold War the Soviet Space Agency and NASA were publicly working together on billion dollar space projects as allies and friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo-Soyuz_Test_Project

Quote from: Bob28 on January 14, 2009, 07:24:46 AM

the locations are obivious

I'm sorry, after reviewing the image again I couldn't seem to find any of NASA's space-age materials. Maybe it's underneath all the cardboard paper and tape?

Still waiting on you to show us where the cardboard paper and tape are located

There wasn't any active hostility between the Americans and Soviets. Any hostility was passive and preemptive. During the Cold War the Soviet Space Agency and NASA were publicly working together on billion dollar space projects as allies and friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo-Soyuz_Test_Project

I don't know Tom, the Russian Mig pilots in Korea and Viet Nam seemed pretty actively hostile toward the American pilots.

There wasn't any active hostility between the Americans and Soviets. Any hostility was passive and preemptive. During the Cold War the Soviet Space Agency and NASA were publicly working together on billion dollar space projects as allies and friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo-Soyuz_Test_Project

Ya, and what about the cuban missile crises where the US and USSR each had their fingers on the trigger?

Maybe our space agencies had a couple joint projects, but saying that the US and Soviets were allies during the cold war is just uneducated.

Can you prove this is lunar lander? Have you seen this with you own eyes?

Yes, why yes i can at the smithsonian museums, It was right in front of my eyes.

Still waiting on you to show us where the cardboard paper and tape are located

It's right there all over the Lunar Lander. Now where's all of NASA's expensive space age materials they spent billions of tax payer dollars developing?

I don't know Tom, the Russian Mig pilots in Korea and Viet Nam seemed pretty actively hostile toward the American pilots.

If they were actively hostile they would have exchanged gunfire. But since the hostility was passive they settled for playing an elaborate version of peek-a-boo.

Ya, and what about the cuban missile crises where the US and USSR each had their fingers on the trigger?

Maybe our space agencies had a couple joint projects, but saying that the US and Soviets were allies during the cold war is just uneducated.

From the start of WWII to the 1990's the Soviets and Americans always publicly claimed to be friends and allies. They worked together on many political, scientific, and cultural ventures. The two never claimed to be enemies.

The "Cold War" was just a competition between countries for who can build the biggest military, which happens naturally during peacetime.