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Trekky0623

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2008, 03:04:19 PM »
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The flight simulator doesn't prove shit either.

The camera in is flying along in a huge map with a sphere in it.  It doesn't prove the actual Earth is a sphere.  That's like saying that since most video game maps are flat, and the textures are borrowed from actual photos of the Earth, the Earth must be flat.  It's crazy.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2008, 03:13:29 PM »
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The flight simulator doesn't prove shit either.

The camera in is flying along in a huge map with a sphere in it.  It doesn't prove the actual Earth is a sphere.  That's like saying that since most video game maps are flat, and the textures are borrowed from actual photos of the Earth, the Earth must be flat.  It's crazy.

what video game is equal to the size of the earth RE or FE?

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2008, 03:23:24 PM »
Google Earth is not equal in size to the Earth.  Video games nor Google Earth take into account the size of the Earth, they just make a shape with textures on it.  It does not prove or disprove Round Earth or Flat Earth and to claim that it does is just plain stupid.

Re: Google Earth
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2008, 03:25:59 PM »
This:

What is 'concrete proof' here? I did some standard hex-forensics on over a dozen amateur photos from planes showing definitive curvature, and they were still rejected.


As long as you can provide concrete proof it was not photoshopped.  ;)

This answer pretty much sums up why only a very limited number of people take FET seriously. You might as well have said "I don't give a shit about your evidence, you're wrong."



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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2008, 03:26:17 PM »
Google Earth is not equal in size to the Earth.  Video games nor Google Earth take into account the size of the Earth, they just make a shape with textures on it.  It does not prove or disprove Round Earth or Flat Earth and to claim that it does is just plain stupid.

The satellites required to take the photos are proof that the earth is round.

What is stupid is to think it's all a conspiracy theory.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2008, 03:30:07 PM »
Google Earth is not equal in size to the Earth.  Video games nor Google Earth take into account the size of the Earth, they just make a shape with textures on it.  It does not prove or disprove Round Earth or Flat Earth and to claim that it does is just plain stupid.

The satellites required to take the photos are proof that the earth is round.

What is stupid is to think it's all a conspiracy theory.

You don't need satellites to take pictures of the surface of the Earth.  And personally, I don't account for the conspiracy in my version of FET unlike others here.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2008, 03:32:13 PM »
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Most people are surprised to learn that we have more than one source for our imagery. We collect it via airplane and satellite, but also just about any way you can imagine getting a camera above the Earth's surface: hot air balloons, model airplanes - even kites. The traditional aerial survey involves mounting a special gyroscopic, stabilized camera in the belly of an airplane and flying it at an elevation of between 15,000 feet and 30,000 feet, depending on the resolution of imagery you're interested in. As the plane takes a predefined route over the desired area, it forms a series of parallel lines with about 40 percent overlap between lines and 60 percent overlap in the direction of flight. This overlap of images is what provides us with enough detail to remove distortions caused by the varying shape of the Earth's surface.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2008, 03:42:17 PM »
Google Earth is not equal in size to the Earth.  Video games nor Google Earth take into account the size of the Earth, they just make a shape with textures on it.  It does not prove or disprove Round Earth or Flat Earth and to claim that it does is just plain stupid.

Google earth is more accurate than a video game, it even accounts for the longitude and lattitude along with the altitude you are looking at the earth from. what about the old skool google earths. the globe models they had it grade school dosent that account for something? even before the advent of computers in school im sure you where old enough to remeber the globe models. what does that tell you?

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2008, 03:44:03 PM »
OMG TEH EXISTANS OF GLOBS PROOFS IT!
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2008, 03:44:12 PM »


And personally, I don't account for the conspiracy in my version of FET unlike others here.

Really? I'm curious to what your version of FE is.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2008, 03:46:50 PM »
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The flight simulator doesn't prove shit either.

The camera in is flying along in a huge map with a sphere in it.  It doesn't prove the actual Earth is a sphere.  That's like saying that since most video game maps are flat, and the textures are borrowed from actual photos of the Earth, the Earth must be flat.  It's crazy.
Did you read my posts? I'm talking about the attitude indicator on airplanes showing that the horizon curves downward several degrees, and that as long as the plane is at the 0 degree mark, it never rises up to the level mark no matter how long you fly. These observations support a round earth, and not a flat one. On a flat earth, the horizon would either be at the 0 degree mark, or slowly rise up to the 0 degree mark if it was merely a 'circular spotlight' effect. On a round earth (and in real life observations), the horizon stays the same amount of degrees below level at a certain altitude, regardless of your position on the earth.
Like the sun, the stars are also expanding and contracting their diameter as they spin around the hub every six months.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2008, 03:52:00 PM »
OMG TEH EXISTANS OF GLOBS PROOFS IT!

proofs me a flat one first. weve shown shown you websites that prove the earth is round. and all you guys come up with is the regular i thinks and read the FAQ type  answers.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2008, 03:53:36 PM »
Google Earth is not equal in size to the Earth.  Video games nor Google Earth take into account the size of the Earth, they just make a shape with textures on it.  It does not prove or disprove Round Earth or Flat Earth and to claim that it does is just plain stupid.

Google earth is more accurate than a video game, it even accounts for the longitude and lattitude along with the altitude you are looking at the earth from. what about the old skool google earths. the globe models they had it grade school dosent that account for something? even before the advent of computers in school im sure you where old enough to remeber the globe models. what does that tell you?

So I'm guessing this is proof of flat earth?

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The flight simulator doesn't prove shit either.

The camera in is flying along in a huge map with a sphere in it.  It doesn't prove the actual Earth is a sphere.  That's like saying that since most video game maps are flat, and the textures are borrowed from actual photos of the Earth, the Earth must be flat.  It's crazy.
Did you read my posts? I'm talking about the attitude indicator on airplanes showing that the horizon curves downward several degrees, and that as long as the plane is at the 0 degree mark, it never rises up to the level mark no matter how long you fly. These observations support a round earth, and not a flat one. On a flat earth, the horizon would either be at the 0 degree mark, or slowly rise up to the 0 degree mark if it was merely a 'circular spotlight' effect. On a round earth (and in real life observations), the horizon stays the same amount of degrees below level at a certain altitude, regardless of your position on the earth.

Okay, cool, that'd probably be explained by bendy light or some other stuff like that.  However, in the flight simulator on Google Earth, this phenomenon doesn't prove anything, and that is what we are talking about, if I am not mistaken.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2008, 04:01:24 PM »
Okay, cool, that'd probably be explained by bendy light or some other stuff like that.  However, in the flight simulator on Google Earth, this phenomenon doesn't prove anything, and that is what we are talking about, if I am not mistaken.
It brings up the burden of proof. On a real plane, the horizon is several degrees below level on the attitude indicator. In Google Earth, which uses a round earth model, the same thing happens. I don't see any evidence of another phenomenon occurring. As for the bendy light theory, I'm working a simulation to put it to rest once and for all, and show that there is no way light can bend to produce the horizon, sunrise and sunset, and the curvature clearly visible at high altitudes.
Like the sun, the stars are also expanding and contracting their diameter as they spin around the hub every six months.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2008, 04:04:05 PM »
As for the bendy light theory, I'm working a simulation to put it to rest once and for all, and show that there is no way light can bend to produce the horizon, sunrise and sunset, and the curvature clearly visible at high altitudes.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this. Bendy light is one of the biggest jokes on this forum...

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2008, 04:04:31 PM »

So I'm guessing this is proof of flat earth?


you understand the word globe but still send me a pictured of flat earth. you are dumb and jean luc picard would disaprove of your thinking the world is flat. im sure you get laughed out of trekkie conventions when you tell them the world is flat. how can someone who likes the trekkkk so much have such a narrow mind on the shape of the earth?

Okay, cool, that'd probably be explained by bendy light or some other stuff like that.  However, in the flight simulator on Google Earth, this phenomenon doesn't prove anything, and that is what we are talking about, if I am not mistaken.


see these are the things that im also talking aboot. the ummmms and or somethings like that. where talking about flight and you divert to the bendy light theory. wtf is that. George Takai would love to rape your dumb ass all night long.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2008, 04:06:10 PM »
As for the bendy light theory, I'm working a simulation to put it to rest once and for all, and show that there is no way light can bend to produce the horizon, sunrise and sunset, and the curvature clearly visible at high altitudes.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this. Bendy light is one of the biggest jokes on this forum...

damn straight. i knew this place was a loonie bin after reading the bendy light theory.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2008, 04:10:39 PM »

So I'm guessing this is proof of flat earth?


you understand the word globe but still send me a pictured of flat earth. you are dumb and jean luc picard would disaprove of your thinking the world is flat. im sure you get laughed out of trekkie conventions when you tell them the world is flat. how can someone who likes the trekkkk so much have such a narrow mind on the shape of the earth?

It's called devil's advocate.  No one on these forums takes FET seriously.  Well, maybe Tom Bishop and Daniel, etc.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2008, 04:15:41 PM »
I like how this idiot thinks that you can get a globe of an FE and that Jean Luc Picard is a real person.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: Google Earth
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2008, 04:17:57 PM »

George Takai would love to rape your dumb ass all night long.


Quoted for teh funneh

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2008, 04:23:16 PM »
I like how this idiot thinks that you can get a globe of an FE and that Jean Luc Picard is a real person.

your right i am the dumb one.......

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2008, 04:25:17 PM »
The globe I posted was from an arts and crafts site, you cannot buy it.  And suprisingly, nowhere in this discussion have I stated that I believe in FE or that Jean-Luc Picard is a real person.  If you read a few posts above, I state that I am acting as Devil's Advocate.  FET, as a theory, is ludicrous.  However, it is possible, and that is why I debate for it.  It's fun.  See Russell's Teapot.

Get your facts straight, dumbass.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2008, 04:26:50 PM »
I like how this idiot thinks that you can get a globe of an FE and that Jean Luc Picard is a real person.

your right i am the dumb one.......

Well you are claiming that flat things can be made to be round so that it conforms to your worldview, and that a fictional character from the future is a real person that would look at you, then Trekky, and think Trekky was the stupid one. So yes actually, you are the fucking dumb one.

Trekky, ouch. RET is just as unlikely as FET, if not more so.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2008, 04:35:27 PM »
The globe I posted was from an arts and crafts site, you cannot buy it.  And suprisingly, nowhere in this discussion have I stated that I believe in FE or that Jean-Luc Picard is a real person.  If you read a few posts above, I state that I am acting as Devil's Advocate.  FET, as a theory, is ludicrous.  However, it is possible, and that is why I debate for it.  It's fun.  See Russell's Teapot.

Get your facts straight, dumbass.

you should stop being the devils advocate you look like a dork when you do. the fact that you argue FET makes me think you belive in FET. hollow earth theory has a better chance than this FET. FET had been debunked long ago. even when your argueing for FET you still argueing with nothing. has anyone seen the ice walls? ummmmm no but they are guarded by people and stuff see the FAQ.   are there maps of FE? uhhhhhhh you cant draw FE cause its impossible due to reference and stuff bendy light has something to do with it. check the FAQ.  these are the answers that i have seen a bunch of maybes and i dunnos. id accept flat earth theory if i was living in the 12th century.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2008, 04:38:45 PM »
I like how this idiot thinks that you can get a globe of an FE and that Jean Luc Picard is a real person.

i like when REers ask to see an FE map you guys always back pedal and tell us to read the FAQ then Tom Bashup comes along and says something about you cant draw FE for some diluted reason about not haveing good reference points or something. seems funny to me when poeple where still sailing the seas in the 13th centure they where able to make maps just fine. but now its a total mysterie like the pyramids.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2008, 04:39:38 PM »
A computer generated 3D image is not evidence of anything.
If a flat earth model was used in Google Earth, it would not match with actual observations.
Show this.

damn straight. i knew this place was a loonie bin after reading the bendy light theory.
You do realize that light bends in both models right?
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2008, 04:43:38 PM »
FET had been debunked long ago.
Not on these forums it hasn't.

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Has anyone seen the ice walls? ummmmm no
Nobody has seen Antarctica?

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are there maps of FE? uhhhhhhh you cant draw FE cause its impossible due to reference
We cannot know the Earth in its entirety all at once. Accurately composing a Flat Earth map by surveying, is extremely difficult and is extremely unreasonable to expect of a staff of less than 20 some people.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2008, 04:45:44 PM »
The globe I posted was from an arts and crafts site, you cannot buy it.  And suprisingly, nowhere in this discussion have I stated that I believe in FE or that Jean-Luc Picard is a real person.  If you read a few posts above, I state that I am acting as Devil's Advocate.  FET, as a theory, is ludicrous.  However, it is possible, and that is why I debate for it.  It's fun.  See Russell's Teapot.

Get your facts straight, dumbass.

you should stop being the devils advocate you look like a dork when you do. the fact that you argue FET makes me think you belive in FET. hollow earth theory has a better chance than this FET. FET had been debunked long ago. even when your argueing for FET you still argueing with nothing. has anyone seen the ice walls? ummmmm no but they are guarded by people and stuff see the FAQ.   are there maps of FE? uhhhhhhh you cant draw FE cause its impossible due to reference and stuff bendy light has something to do with it. check the FAQ.  these are the answers that i have seen a bunch of maybes and i dunnos. id accept flat earth theory if i was living in the 12th century.

Well, for one, neither theory is absolute, not even RET.  To assume that one must be the truth is closed minded and stupid.  Admittedly, one is far more likely than the other, but still.  Also, how do I look like an idiot when you are claiming that a computer generated sphere with images on it is proof of the shape of the Earth?

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2008, 04:49:06 PM »
A computer generated 3D image is not evidence of anything.
If a flat earth model was used in Google Earth, it would not match with actual observations.
Show this.
Simply use a plane as an example (I will get 3ds Max later to produce MANY visual demonstrations). Unless you can see the edge of the plane, the horizon would be at eye level (which is Tom Bishop's argument for a flat earth). However, the attitude indicator of an airplane shows that the horizon is not at eye level at a high altitude. Remember, we never see the edge of the earth according to current FET. Using the vanishing point argument (the really flawed one that Tom Bishop and Rowbotham use), the horizon should get closer to the 0 degree mark as your altitude increases: the exact opposite happens in real life. Using the circular spotlight argument, the horizon (which in this case is the edge of the spotlight) should fall away from the 0 degree mark as you got closer to it, which does not happen in real life. As you increase in altitude, the attitude indicator shows the horizon lower and lower, and if when you fly at a constant altitude (attitude indicator at 0 degrees) for hours, the horizon neither rises nor falls. Unless you could see the edge of the flat earth, the horizon would be at the 0 degree mark, and if the horizon was actually the edge of a circular spotlight, it would rise or fall depending on your distance.
Like the sun, the stars are also expanding and contracting their diameter as they spin around the hub every six months.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2008, 04:50:20 PM »

You do realize that light bends in both models right?

you also know that gravity is the only thing that bends light right? but since FE is traveling at 9.8m/s/s gravity dosent exits on FE or something. care to explain Mr?