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Question About God
« on: October 15, 2008, 03:45:37 PM »
Hi, if this is a similar topic I ask the mods to delete the topic :)

I am posting this to ask question to Non-Muslims to ask them about God and would love to get an answer to know how much they know about God.

* Does God have hands, eyes...etc?

* Can God be seen by his creations?

* Does God need sleep or not?

* Does God Feel happy or Sad?

* Can God be compared to his creations? if yes then to who?

To be continued :)
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 03:48:10 PM »
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 04:00:41 PM »
I will try to answer your questions with what I would have answered before I grew out of religion.  :)

* Does God have hands, eyes...etc?
No, the physical realm is separate from the supernatural realm. No is derived from no reason to think so for these questions.
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* Can God be seen by his creations?
No, the physical realm is separate from the supernatural realm.
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* Does God need sleep or not?
No, physical requirements are separate from any supernatural being.
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* Does God Feel happy or Sad?
No. Emotions are the opposite of logic and justice. A god that can be enraged and flood the world killing innocent creatures babies et cetera is immoral and one more reason Christianity is absurd.
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* Can God be compared to his creations? if yes then to who?

Anything can be compared to anything. It just might not be meaningful or useful.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 04:05:02 PM »
Hi, if this is a similar topic I ask the mods to delete the topic :)

I think breaking the threads up works better because threads drift off on relevant tangents and even if the starting point is similar questions and thoughts vary more so in other threads. Besides I'd get tired going to the same thread with tons of pages. I don't really mind multiple Qur'an threads.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 06:15:57 PM »
to know god is to be god.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 12:54:56 AM »
Thanks guys for your replies, I will comment on them but before that I would like to gather more opinions :)

God who is not punishing Bad people should be considered Merciful or Un-Just!?

If God can't hear, see...etc how he would be able to answer his servants prayers?

Is God one with everything? Like he is always himself with you where you go or he is above everything?

If God can't be compared to his creations why some people say God see, hear....etc?

Can you grasp the greatness of God? Can your mind understand God?

If God exists why he should be alone?

If he begotten son why he need Son?

If there are two Gods should the be worshiped equally?
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 04:42:33 AM »
Anyone who responds to anything Abdul says is failing hard. I'm sick of his bullshit copypasta and you're all encouraging it. It is not debate, its trolling. and not even fun trolling.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 05:29:31 AM »
Not all of them are copy paste, in fact most of my posts are my own posts :) However your posts is so similar to Arab at the time of Mohammed ^_^ they were attached to similar excuses to not learn and deny anything that comes from Mohammed and were asking others to not listen. Allah described such people beautifully

"And even if they see every Sign, they would not believe therein, so much so that when they come to thee, disputing with thee, those who disbelieve say, `This is nothing but fables of the ancients.' And they forbid others to believe in it and themselves too they keep away from it. And they ruin none but their ownselves; only they perceive not."
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 05:34:29 AM by AbdulAziz »
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 05:32:23 AM »
I would be willing to have an intelligible debate about Islam, my problem is with your weak ass trolls. If you are legitimate, you are too ignorant to have a discussion.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 05:37:36 AM »
I would be willing to have an intelligible debate about Islam, my problem is with your weak ass trolls. If you are legitimate, you are too ignorant to have a discussion.

Your words and your way of posting and discussion, is this how you prepare the other side to have an intelligible debate :)

I am ready always and I have created many topics before and I am ready to create 10 more topics welcoming your questions and arguments against Islam and respond back and I am ready to give you the knowledge. However if your just want to make the other side laughable, and deny everything comes from him without even putting some efforts reading, and desperately being against him, what the use of such debate!?

Sadly such posts like yours followed by posts where I defend myself is what waste of time, efforts and ruin the topic by changing the subject. If your honestly willing to debate you wouldn't be searching anything to change the direction of the topic.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 05:50:03 AM by AbdulAziz »
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 05:51:51 AM »
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 06:18:04 AM »
god is one of us, just a stranger on the bus

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 06:55:50 AM »

Your words and your way of posting and discussion, is this how you prepare the other side to have an intelligible debate :)


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Re: Question About God
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 07:49:45 AM »
I agree with the scripture not adding to the discussion. An inability to explain it firsthand indicates a lack of understanding. Debate requires understanding. Feel free to look at your sources when responding, but please do not make us read countless books filled with vague text.  :-\

God who is not punishing Bad people should be considered Merciful or Un-Just!?
Unjust. This is why people create the fantasy all the punishment does happen. Punishment just isn't observable (heaven vs. hell).  ;)
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If God can't hear, see...etc how he would be able to answer his servants prayers?
Alleged omniscience.
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Is God one with everything? Like he is always himself with you where you go or he is above everything?
Allegedly he is omnipresent.
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If God can't be compared to his creations why some people say God see, hear....etc?
Anything can be compared. It is just irrelevant in this case.
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Can you grasp the greatness of God? Can your mind understand God?
Logic reflects reality with perfect precision. Omnipotence is a term used to understand god perfectly among other omni words. Emotions, thoughts et cetera cannot be known, but are not considered to be 'great'.     
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If God exists why he should be alone?
Why shouldn't he? Why should it matter? Are you suggesting our purpose is to keep god busy and entertained?
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If he begotten son why he need Son?
Yet another logical absurdity introduced by the religion. Omnipotence shows there is no need.
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If there are two Gods should the be worshiped equally?
Worship is done without knowledge. From the practical view it is unreasonable to assume two gods exist and therefore propose 'should we worship both?'. If no gods exits should we worship them?
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 10:18:06 PM »
Genesis does state that God made man in his own image, of course this is up to different interpretation.  Also, AbdulAziz, do you believe christianity and other religions to be wrong?  Not trying to assume anything just wondering.  Also, thank you to the great mods for making this an enjoyable forum again.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2008, 09:48:46 AM »
AbdulAziz, you must realize that a deity may exist, even if the present monotheist religions are incorrect.

"Just because someone planted an artifact in a cave, and it is then "discovered", doesn't necessarily mean that another artifact can't still be lurking there, not planted by any human."

Genesis does state that God made man in his own image, of course this is up to different interpretation.

The well known monotheist religions of today could be wrong, and yet, a single deity may exist. So just because a holy text states that "God made man in his own image" doesn't necessarily mean that if God exists, then: "God made man in his own image". It just means that a holy text states that.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2008, 01:54:16 PM »
God does not exsist. I know this for a fact. The suffering He has put me through, and many others is proof enough. Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want. Life is a stagnant pool of despair.

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2008, 01:59:58 PM »
Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want.
You want God to exist because it would be comforting, but you don't want comfort?

Typical emo contradiction. ::)

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2008, 02:05:31 PM »
God does not exsist. I know this for a fact. The suffering He has put me through, and many others is proof enough. Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want. Life is a stagnant pool of despair.

Sadly,

Sarah Sordid


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Re: Question About God
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008, 02:06:16 PM »
If he doesn't exist then how did he put you through suffering?
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2008, 02:06:42 PM »
Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want.
You want God to exist because it would be comforting, but you don't want comfort?

Typical emo contradiction. ::)

My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 02:08:07 PM »
Shut it, you damned horny charmeleon.  >:(
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 02:10:21 PM »
If he doesn't exist then how did he put you through suffering?
His absence allowed her suffering. She's angry at Him for not existing. ::)

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Re: Question About God
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2008, 02:11:57 PM »
No, it's one of the oldest and greatest arguments for atheism. The evil, ability and willingness.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2008, 02:14:06 PM »
No, it's one of the oldest and greatest arguments for atheism. The evil, ability and willingness.


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Re: Question About God
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 02:15:24 PM »
The argument from evil (or problem of evil) is the argument that an all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good God would not allow any--or certain kinds of--evil or suffering to occur. Unlike the logical argument from evil, which holds that the existence of God (so defined) is logically incompatible with some known fact about evil, the evidential (or probabilistic) argument from evil contends that some known fact about evil is evidence against the existence of God. For instance, one version of the argument contends that the biological role of pain and pleasure is much more likely on naturalism than theism (e.g., Paul Draper).

Other versions of the evidential argument concede that God could have a morally sufficient reason for allowing certain evils to occur--e.g., to ensure that some greater good is achieved as a consequence of an evil. However, proponents add, God would only allow as much evil or suffering as is absolutely necessary in order to achieve greater goods. But when we look at the world around us, we find prevalent instances of apparently gratuitous evil--pointless evils from which no greater good seems to result. According to proponents, the existence of apparently gratuitous evil provides strong evidence that God (as traditionally defined) does not exist (e.g., William Rowe).

For thousands of years theologians and philosophers have developed elaborate theodicies--responses to the argument from evil which retain belief in an all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good God. According to the unknown purpose defense (UPD), God allows apparently pointless suffering for some reason that we can't comprehend. The free will defense (FWD) maintains that God has to allow the existence of some evil in order to preserve human free will (e.g., Alvin Plantinga, Robert Adams). Finally, the soul-making theodicy (SMT) contends that God allows some evil because it builds positive character in the victims or in others which outweighs the negative value of the evil itself (e.g., John Hick).

There are several problems with each of these theodicies, but I will only note the most serious ones. The UPD faces the obvious objection that if you have no idea what reason God has for allowing evil, then for all you know there is no justifiable reason at all for an all-good God to permit it. And even if the FWD and SMT were successful, they would still leave much apparently gratuitious evil unexplained. As William Rowe points out, when a fawn burns to death in a forest fire and no human being ever knows about it, this apparently unnecessary evil neither preserves human free will nor builds the character of human beings.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 02:20:06 PM »
God does not exsist. I know this for a fact. The suffering He has put me through, and many others is proof enough. Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want. Life is a stagnant pool of despair.

Sadly,

Sarah Sordid


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Re: Question About God
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 02:50:34 PM »
The argument from evil (or problem of evil) is the argument that an all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good God would not allow any--or certain kinds of--evil or suffering to occur. Unlike the logical argument from evil, which holds that the existence of God (so defined) is logically incompatible with some known fact about evil, the evidential (or probabilistic) argument from evil contends that some known fact about evil is evidence against the existence of God. For instance, one version of the argument contends that the biological role of pain and pleasure is much more likely on naturalism than theism (e.g., Paul Draper).

Other versions of the evidential argument concede that God could have a morally sufficient reason for allowing certain evils to occur--e.g., to ensure that some greater good is achieved as a consequence of an evil. However, proponents add, God would only allow as much evil or suffering as is absolutely necessary in order to achieve greater goods. But when we look at the world around us, we find prevalent instances of apparently gratuitous evil--pointless evils from which no greater good seems to result. According to proponents, the existence of apparently gratuitous evil provides strong evidence that God (as traditionally defined) does not exist (e.g., William Rowe).

For thousands of years theologians and philosophers have developed elaborate theodicies--responses to the argument from evil which retain belief in an all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good God. According to the unknown purpose defense (UPD), God allows apparently pointless suffering for some reason that we can't comprehend. The free will defense (FWD) maintains that God has to allow the existence of some evil in order to preserve human free will (e.g., Alvin Plantinga, Robert Adams). Finally, the soul-making theodicy (SMT) contends that God allows some evil because it builds positive character in the victims or in others which outweighs the negative value of the evil itself (e.g., John Hick).

There are several problems with each of these theodicies, but I will only note the most serious ones. The UPD faces the obvious objection that if you have no idea what reason God has for allowing evil, then for all you know there is no justifiable reason at all for an all-good God to permit it. And even if the FWD and SMT were successful, they would still leave much apparently gratuitious evil unexplained. As William Rowe points out, when a fawn burns to death in a forest fire and no human being ever knows about it, this apparently unnecessary evil neither preserves human free will nor builds the character of human beings.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 02:53:28 PM »
It isn't copyrighted. It's an essay that was published on the Internet, they shouldn't have done it if they didn't expect me to use it.
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Re: Question About God
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008, 02:58:18 PM »
It isn't copyrighted. It's an essay that was published on the Internet, they shouldn't have done it if they didn't expect me to use it.
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