Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2008, 03:09:15 PM »

It makes more sense than thinking that our own senses are tricking us. I mean, if we can't trust what we see, what can we trust?
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Not really. You can trust Scientific method and sound reasoning.

You should check this out, much more plausible and interesting than a flat earth.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm




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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2008, 03:46:40 PM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?

dude... just.... I.... *sigh* seriously?

It makes more sense than thinking that our own senses are tricking us. I mean, if we can't trust what we see, what can we trust?

So you are saying that when I go to a movie, I'm not seeing 24 still frames flash by every second?  The pictures really do move?   :o
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2008, 03:48:46 PM »
So you are saying that when I go to a movie, I'm not seeing 24 still frames flash by every second?  The pictures really do move?   :o

They probably have a light shining through a glass case with gel inks inside it, and the gel inks have various electric and magnetic properties that enable a computer to control their motion through the case. So yes, the pictures do move.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2008, 03:49:47 PM »
So you are saying that when I go to a movie, I'm not seeing 24 still frames flash by every second?  The pictures really do move?   :o

They probably have a light shining through a glass case with gel inks inside it, and the gel inks have various electric and magnetic properties that enable a computer to control their motion through the case. So yes, the pictures do move.

Wow, that Edison dude was way ahead of his time.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2008, 03:59:27 PM »
Wow, that Edison dude was way ahead of his time.

Oh, in the early days they didn't have properly moving pictures. That's why old movies are such bad quality.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2008, 07:04:19 PM »
So you are saying that when I go to a movie, I'm not seeing 24 still frames flash by every second?  The pictures really do move?   :o

They probably have a light shining through a glass case with gel inks inside it, and the gel inks have various electric and magnetic properties that enable a computer to control their motion through the case. So yes, the pictures do move.

You have an amazing knack of producing every increasingly strange posts.
Have you ever sat next to the projector window in cinemas? You can hear the mechanism.

Besides why bother with moving gels? We have something superior. LCD projectors. Some of the large cinemas have these for digital cinema.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2008, 08:40:11 PM »
Wow, that Edison dude was way ahead of his time.

Oh, in the early days they didn't have properly moving pictures. That's why old movies are such bad quality.

So in the early days, enough still frames flashing per second was enough to fool someone's eyes into perceiving (relatively) smooth motion.  I'm so glad that you agree that it is possible to fool your senses.

BTW, another interesting experiment I tried at a science museum (I think it was the Ontario Science Center, but I'm not sure).  You have 2 coils.  One has warm water running through it and the other has cold water running through it.  The coils were set up so that one section was the warm coil, a second section was cold and a third section had both coils side by side.  When you touched the warm and cold coils together, the initial reaction was the sensation of hot.  I was a case of your sense of touch being confused by the two different temperature sensations at the same time.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2008, 08:49:50 PM »
So you are saying that when I go to a movie, I'm not seeing 24 still frames flash by every second?  The pictures really do move?   :o

They probably have a light shining through a glass case with gel inks inside it, and the gel inks have various electric and magnetic properties that enable a computer to control their motion through the case. So yes, the pictures do move.

I know this because it was around 10 years ago, obviously paper, and out of a used book that had been used for the class for the last 5 or 6 years at least.

The conspiracy has access to flexible batties many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take these seriously or not. Given that there is a forum just for nonsense, and the mod who posted these comments "should" know that, I'll take them at face value.

"They probably have a light shining through a glass case with gel inks inside it, and the gel inks have various electric and magnetic properties that enable a computer to control their motion through the case. So yes, the pictures do move."


I was in av club in high school (yes I am a dork), so I ran the projector a number of times, both in class, and at functions. It's film. You can run it through your fingers. You can hold it up to the light, and view the progression. I've had those cameras apart for cleaning and fixing, and there's no gel receptacle anywhere in the camera, nor anywhere any receptacle could be hidden. Your post is pure fantasy.

"The conspiracy has access to flexible batties many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades."

I had a version of Kira's jpg set as my wallpaper for like a week once, when that set was first making it's rounds on the web. It was programed to follow my viewing tendencies that whole time? Fancy.

And if I print out Kira's jpg, and it still moves, it means that the piece of paper I chose to use is a battery powered laminate material, just waiting for that image to be printed, and set with some kind of AI or programming to anticipate my viewing tendencies indefinetly?

I'm calling you on your bull. Show me any proof you have that "the conspiracy has access to flexible batteries many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades", and show me that this tech existed 10 years ago or more.

 Lacking that, just show me anything at all that you might have read, seen, etc... that could possibly lead an intelligent person to that conclusion. Show me anything that would prove to me or anybody else that you're not just making this stuff up as you go.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2008, 09:07:59 PM »
Wow, that Edison dude was way ahead of his time.

Oh, in the early days they didn't have properly moving pictures. That's why old movies are such bad quality.

So in the early days, enough still frames flashing per second was enough to fool someone's eyes into perceiving (relatively) smooth motion.  I'm so glad that you agree that it is possible to fool your senses.

BTW, another interesting experiment I tried at a science museum (I think it was the Ontario Science Center, but I'm not sure).  You have 2 coils.  One has warm water running through it and the other has cold water running through it.  The coils were set up so that one section was the warm coil, a second section was cold and a third section had both coils side by side.  When you touched the warm and cold coils together, the initial reaction was the sensation of hot.  I was a case of your sense of touch being confused by the two different temperature sensations at the same time.

My middle school teacher did a similar experiment. You would run one hand under hot water, and the other under cold. When you put both hands in a bowl of warm water, each hand would feel the other extreme. It was the knowledge that the bowl could not hold both extremes that showed that the brain could be fooled.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #99 on: September 12, 2008, 02:25:12 AM »
Wow, that Edison dude was way ahead of his time.

Oh, in the early days they didn't have properly moving pictures. That's why old movies are such bad quality.

So in the early days, enough still frames flashing per second was enough to fool someone's eyes into perceiving (relatively) smooth motion.  I'm so glad that you agree that it is possible to fool your senses.

BTW, another interesting experiment I tried at a science museum (I think it was the Ontario Science Center, but I'm not sure).  You have 2 coils.  One has warm water running through it and the other has cold water running through it.  The coils were set up so that one section was the warm coil, a second section was cold and a third section had both coils side by side.  When you touched the warm and cold coils together, the initial reaction was the sensation of hot.  I was a case of your sense of touch being confused by the two different temperature sensations at the same time.

My middle school teacher did a similar experiment. You would run one hand under hot water, and the other under cold. When you put both hands in a bowl of warm water, each hand would feel the other extreme. It was the knowledge that the bowl could not hold both extremes that showed that the brain could be fooled.

also did it in 6th grade (when I was 12 or something) damn the grade system, holland has easier methods ;)

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #100 on: September 12, 2008, 02:34:37 AM »
I did it when I worked at a theater in my high school days.  TV is different.  Digital video tape runs at 30 frames per second.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2008, 06:41:08 AM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?

Do a 'print screen' copy it into an image editing program and print that image on paper.  ::)

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2008, 08:17:53 AM »
Do a 'print screen' copy it into an image editing program and print that image on paper.  ::)

The conspiracy is always one step ahead. I don't have time to build my own printer and make my own paper.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2008, 09:17:42 AM »
Has anyone paid attention to the OP? FET needs to be falsifiable. FE'ers have often thanked RE'ers by poking holes in their model because it gave them new ideas as to how to explain the observable phenomena that support RE. Creating flawed explanations like the bending of light (sinking effect) just proves the preconceived notions that FE'ers are fixated on, when they should be reexamining FE itself.

How do we prove FE wrong when we can make up laws of physics?
How can we prove FE wrong?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2008, 09:21:06 AM »
The conspiracy is always one step ahead. I don't have time to build my own printer and make my own paper.
Then use a torn off layer of cardboard and observe your printer functioning via ink jets. It is ridiculous to presume that the conspiracy had nanotechnology developed solely for optical illusions on paper. Let alone, it is incorporated in all the civilian paper in the US.

Hell, you can put a clear ruler over the page and make note that they aren't really moving.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #105 on: September 17, 2008, 09:23:19 AM »
Then use a torn off layer of cardboard and observe your printer functioning via ink jets. It is ridiculous to presume that the conspiracy had nanotechnology developed solely for optical illusions on paper. Let alone, it is incorporated in all the civilian paper in the US.

Hell, you can put a clear ruler over the page and make note that they aren't really moving.

But they do have advanced nanotechnology. Also, I am not in the US. Also, all rulers are designed by the conspiracy too.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #106 on: September 17, 2008, 10:33:53 AM »
Then use a torn off layer of cardboard and observe your printer functioning via ink jets. It is ridiculous to presume that the conspiracy had nanotechnology developed solely for optical illusions on paper. Let alone, it is incorporated in all the civilian paper in the US.

Hell, you can put a clear ruler over the page and make note that they aren't really moving.

But they do have advanced nanotechnology. Also, I am not in the US. Also, all rulers are designed by the conspiracy too.

Damn, is there nothing that the conspiracy doesn't control?  >:(  BTW, why would ruler companies need to be in on the conspiracy? ???
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #107 on: September 17, 2008, 10:36:28 AM »
Damn, is there nothing that the conspiracy doesn't control?  >:(  BTW, why would ruler companies need to be in on the conspiracy? ???

Trying to keep the world from converting entirely to the metric system?  Damn, they aren't very good at that one are they?  ;)

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #108 on: September 17, 2008, 10:51:02 AM »
all rulers are designed by the conspiracy
I should sig this but you have drained my life force too severely to go to that kind of trouble.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #109 on: September 17, 2008, 11:49:06 AM »
Also, I am not in the US.
Then paper shouldn't be a problem! Oh wait, your local space agency probably controls your paper supply too.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #110 on: September 17, 2008, 12:56:53 PM »
Oh wait, your local space agency probably controls your paper supply too.

Are there international space agencies that handle less technologically advanced countries until they are ready to deceive their own citizens?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #111 on: September 17, 2008, 05:55:33 PM »
Are there international space agencies that handle less technologically advanced countries until they are ready to deceive their own citizens?

Their space agency rents from others.  ;D
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #112 on: September 17, 2008, 07:08:49 PM »
Conspiracy triangles?


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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #113 on: September 17, 2008, 07:39:15 PM »
Okay fine, let's use flat earth logic for a second.


If our government is capable of controlling most electronic devices, which I assume to be true since everything is a conspiracy, then why would they bother with you? Do you really think that our government is incompetent enough not to sniff out your website within hours of creation, and send in a special ops team to kill you, and your immediate family in order to achieve the ultimate conspiracy? I know if I had a conspiracy as insane, and lucrative in this, I wouldn't mess around. No one is going to think that the government has anything to hide, because they're going to think you are borderline mental institution. The government could pay off the mob to exterminate you. Then what?

The logic is flawed.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #114 on: September 17, 2008, 07:57:04 PM »
Conspiracy triangles?


Those are not optical illusions... They are really not all that special either.
(Hint: Red triangle has a slope of 3/8. Green triangle has a slope of 2/5.)
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #115 on: September 17, 2008, 08:24:09 PM »
Conspiracy triangles?


Those are not optical illusions... They are really not all that special either.
(Hint: Red triangle has a slope of 3/8. Green triangle has a slope of 2/5.)

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #116 on: September 17, 2008, 08:28:20 PM »
Okay fine, let's use flat earth logic for a second.


If our government is capable of controlling most electronic devices, which I assume to be true since everything is a conspiracy, then why would they bother with you? Do you really think that our government is incompetent enough not to sniff out your website within hours of creation, and send in a special ops team to kill you, and your immediate family in order to achieve the ultimate conspiracy? I know if I had a conspiracy as insane, and lucrative in this, I wouldn't mess around. No one is going to think that the government has anything to hide, because they're going to think you are borderline mental institution. The government could pay off the mob to exterminate you. Then what?

The logic is flawed.

What would they have to gain by shutting down this website? Nobody takes us seriously anyway.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #117 on: September 17, 2008, 08:32:54 PM »
Okay fine, let's use flat earth logic for a second.


If our government is capable of controlling most electronic devices, which I assume to be true since everything is a conspiracy, then why would they bother with you? Do you really think that our government is incompetent enough not to sniff out your website within hours of creation, and send in a special ops team to kill you, and your immediate family in order to achieve the ultimate conspiracy? I know if I had a conspiracy as insane, and lucrative in this, I wouldn't mess around. No one is going to think that the government has anything to hide, because they're going to think you are borderline mental institution. The government could pay off the mob to exterminate you. Then what?

The logic is flawed.

What would they have to gain by shutting down this website? Nobody takes us seriously anyway.

Gee, I wonder why.   ::)
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« Reply #118 on: September 17, 2008, 09:53:04 PM »

OK guys here's the deal... I dunno why this stuff aggravates me but it just does, and after this i'll probably never have a discussion with a fencepost again, but here goes.

I'm not really wealthy, but If any one person can come and take me to see the edge of the earth, I'll gladly go and pay for the trip. GOT IT? I apologise if this offer has been made before but I haven't read all of the hours of discussion.

Seriously, and I don't want crap from weirdos about how you haven't got time or you don't know where it is because if you mean what you say then you'll deliver: come on a free holiday with me and we'll go see the friggin edge together ok?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #119 on: September 17, 2008, 10:32:36 PM »
Not to burst your bubble, but you may not be able to get to the "edge."  Some say the earth is an infinite plane.  Others say that the greater ice wall is so far inland from the antarctic coast that you can't reach it due to running out of fuel (or supplies if on the ground) that sort of thing.  What you should be asking for is a trip to orbit.  Now that would prove a round earth.