Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2008, 04:31:43 PM »
If you're claiming something stupid like "it's all an illusion" or "your eyes are playing tricks on you!" then the burden is on you to prove it.

Where's your proof?

Do you agree that things may be appear different than they really are? Haven't you experienced this before?
You see something that appear to be one thing, but after further investigation, you suddenly realized that this was not what you thought it to be at first.

Tom Bishop: I'm still waiting for your answers.

Any thoughts on this video FE'rs?

Waves in a Large Free Sphere of Water
http://www.youtube.com/v/zaHLwla2WiI&hl=en&fs=1
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2008, 04:44:13 PM »
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We have seen light behave like a particle in some instances. This would qualify as evidence.
No. The Photo Electric Effect is perfectly explained by Dark Sucker Theory.
http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/darksucker.html#photoelectric

First off, you ran away from the first two points I was making. You can at least admit you made a mistake.

By "no" are you saying that we haven't seen light behave like a particle in some instances?

Also, I never claimed that the Dark Sucker Theory had no scientific basis.
I said that upon a glance, I didn't see any. I am unfamiliar with this "theory". However, if I understand this point in your link, I think it may be inaccurate and biased:

"However, if your light source is below the threshold frequency, no current will be produced no matter how strong your light source is.  Classical theory, in which light was just one big happy continuous wave, offered no explanation for why this should be so."
-D.E.T. Website

Assuming 'classical theory' is referring to the theory of photon/radiation duality, it's picking out the wave properties and ignoring the particle properties.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2008, 04:45:30 PM »
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Or couldnt that be explained in that the earth is large enough in comparisons to humans that the curve imperceptible from ground level? Again, can you prove me wrong? Can I prove you wrong?

Oh right, "it's all an illusion". Good one. ::)

It's ironic how you say that, Sir Bendy Lights.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »
Alright, I did a little more reading.

"D.S.T. also has to explain this darkoelectric effect.  Why should a low-frequency monochromatic dark sucker (such as a red laser beam) not induce an electric current, when a higher frequency monochromatic dark sucker (such as a blue laser beam) will induce a current? The answer we are inevitably led to is the same one the Photon Conspirators dreamed up at the end of the last century: Dark must, indeed, come in little indivisible chunks, which we call "darkons" by analogy with photons.  A darkon sucked free from an electron will push that electron away in proportion to that darkon's frequency.  The higher the frequency of the darkon — i.e. the "bluer" the background light that this individual darkon masks out — the more energy it will impart to the electron it just abandoned, and if this energy is greater than the amount required for the electron to escape its atomic orbit entirely, then the electron will zing around freely and contribute to an electric current."

I fail to see how this is different from "photon's" explanation just adapted to "darkon's". "No electrical current" is the same as the red laser thought experiment where the "electrons did not break away from their shell".

This theory looks like a sick joke. Number two on the list of them.

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Please don't pull this into a huge tangent and corrupt the thread.
Back to topic please.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2008, 04:58:01 PM »
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2008, 07:16:14 PM »
Why don't round earther's set up a series of experiments that would prove a round earth and do them theirselves? Or is that too much to ask?
They don't need to. The evidence that it is round is so immense that doing a experiment would just confirm a fact they already know to be true

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2008, 11:58:01 PM »
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Do you agree that things may be appear different than they really are? Haven't you experienced this before?
You see something that appear to be one thing, but after further investigation, you suddenly realized that this was not what you thought it to be at first.

Where's your evidence that our eyes are tricking us?

We're still waiting.

Why don't round earther's set up a series of experiments that would prove a round earth and do them theirselves? Or is that too much to ask?
They don't need to. The evidence that it is round is so immense that doing a experiment would just confirm a fact they already know to be true

How do they know it to be true if they've never done the experiments?  ???

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2008, 01:41:06 AM »

How do they know it to be true if they've never done the experiments?  ???

For crying out loud, Tom.  Why are you so fixated on "experiments?", when Rowbothems "experiments" are worthless.  This biggest mistake you have made over the years is to put all your "faith" in FE experiments, ignoring or misinterpreting the observational evidence which is freely available and far more compelling.

When the observation evidence (for example position and the movement of the heavens) does not agree with the results of your experiments (the window/the water), then you are left with no option but to distort the entire cosmos using unprecedented fields and forces, which do not agree with existing models. 

For example the movement of Celestial Gears, the sun, the moon, the planets, is simply put down to the "vast cornucopia of stars, swirling around".  That's it.  When scrutinised, this throws up even more fundamental questions that you stared with (like why exactly do the sun, moon and planets constantly change their orbit), and so it goes on.

I think you yourself, deep down, have your doubts.  Why are you not busly research and analysing these Celestial Gears?  Afraid of Failure?  ... Of course!  you don't need to worry because Zetetics excuses you from any of that dangerous "evidence gathering" stuff.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good theory?
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2008, 01:56:48 AM »

How do they know it to be true if they've never done the experiments?  ???

For crying out loud, Tom.  Why are you so fixated on "experiments?", when Rowbothems "experiments" are worthless.  This biggest mistake you have made over the years is to put all your "faith" in FE experiments, ignoring or misinterpreting the observational evidence which is freely available and far more compelling.

When the observation evidence (for example position and the movement of the heavens) does not agree with the results of your experiments (the window/the water), then you are left with no option but to distort the entire cosmos using unprecedented fields and forces, which do not agree with existing models. 

For example the movement of Celestial Gears, the sun, the moon, the planets, is simply put down to the "vast cornucopia of stars, swirling around".  That's it.  When scrutinised, this throws up even more fundamental questions that you stared with (like why exactly do the sun, moon and planets constantly change their orbit), and so it goes on.

I think you yourself, deep down, have your doubts.  Why are you not busly research and analysing these Celestial Gears?  Afraid of Failure?  ... Of course!  you don't need to worry because Zetetics excuses you from any of that dangerous "evidence gathering" stuff.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good theory?

So you guys don't have evidence for your ridiculous claim that our eyes are tricking us and that "it's all an illusion"? Thanks for confirming that.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2008, 03:06:18 AM »
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Do you agree that things may be appear different than they really are? Haven't you experienced this before?
You see something that appear to be one thing, but after further investigation, you suddenly realized that this was not what you thought it to be at first.

Where's your evidence that our eyes are tricking us?

We're still waiting.

I just showed you that our eyes may be tricking us in those images in my earlier post. When you see a dot, you actually see a stick. But you're not seeing the stick because you are not in the right angle. Agree?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2008, 01:20:20 PM »
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Do you agree that things may be appear different than they really are? Haven't you experienced this before?
You see something that appear to be one thing, but after further investigation, you suddenly realized that this was not what you thought it to be at first.

Where's your evidence that our eyes are tricking us?

We're still waiting.

Tom, have you ever been to a movie theater?  I bet you eyes perceive a nice fluid motion, not 24 still frames flashing before you every second.  Or the 30 interlaced frames per second on analog broadcast tv.  Or whatever the refresh rate is on your computer display.  See, your eyes are being tricked all the time.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2008, 02:55:41 PM »
Tom Bishop, look at this:

http://www.freewebs.com/moonwolf17/optical%20illusion%201.gif

Yes, your eyes are tricking you.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2008, 03:00:10 PM »
How can we trust a .GIF?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2008, 03:00:45 PM »
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2008, 03:06:26 PM »
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2008, 03:14:35 PM »
*sighs*

http://jezusgm.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ilusion_optica.jpg

This one ain't a .gif, what now? Conspiracy?  ;D

Probably just a clever appropriation of something like this.

It must be an intelligent gif, every circle stops when you look at it!
C'mon, guys, admit it, senses can fool us, it's not so bad... it's just... a victory for RE!

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2008, 03:25:58 PM »
It must be an intelligent gif, every circle stops when you look at it!
C'mon, guys, admit it, senses can fool us, it's not so bad... it's just... a victory for RE!

There's a natural order in which people are likely to look at each circle, and it uses that to move in such a way that it appears to stop based on which circle you are likely to be looking at.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2008, 03:30:31 PM »
It must be an intelligent gif, every circle stops when you look at it!
C'mon, guys, admit it, senses can fool us, it's not so bad... it's just... a victory for RE!

There's a natural order in which people are likely to look at each circle, and it uses that to move in such a way that it appears to stop based on which circle you are likely to be looking at.

ROFL

Well, now, why don't you make a test of looking only to one circle, and you move your eyes in random time, and do so with 2 or 3 circles? Is that predicted too??

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2008, 06:14:35 AM »
It must be an intelligent gif, every circle stops when you look at it!
C'mon, guys, admit it, senses can fool us, it's not so bad... it's just... a victory for RE!

There's a natural order in which people are likely to look at each circle, and it uses that to move in such a way that it appears to stop based on which circle you are likely to be looking at.

For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2008, 06:38:16 AM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2008, 07:01:49 AM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really wasn't a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?

I think you get off on seeing how stupid an argument you can come up with, and have Tom Bishop back you up on it.

I know this because it was around 10 years ago, obviously paper, and out of a used book that had been used for the class for the last 5 or 6 years at least.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2008, 07:07:31 AM »
I know this because it was around 10 years ago, obviously paper, and out of a used book that had been used for the class for the last 5 or 6 years at least.

The conspiracy has access to flexible batties many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2008, 07:54:13 AM »
The conspiracy has access to flexible batteries many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades.

Well, I guess that is one explanation for optical illusions.

Of course, I think I will stick to the conventional explanation of the interaction between the brain and eyes.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2008, 10:49:35 AM »
I know this because it was around 10 years ago, obviously paper, and out of a used book that had been used for the class for the last 5 or 6 years at least.

The conspiracy has access to flexible batties many times thinner than paper, that will last for decades.

Wow ... just Wow.  That is the dumbest thing I think I've read since I read that you guys believe dinosaurs built intercontinental boats and penguins were invented by Russian scientists. 

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2008, 10:52:21 AM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really wasn't a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2008, 02:36:13 PM »
Wow ... just Wow.  That is the dumbest thing I think I've read since I read that you guys believe dinosaurs built intercontinental boats and penguins were invented by Russian scientists. 

Not all of us believe that. Only one of us, to my knowledge.
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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2008, 02:42:49 PM »
Wow ... just Wow.  That is the dumbest thing I think I've read since I read that you guys believe dinosaurs built intercontinental boats and penguins were invented by Russian scientists. 

Not all of us believe that. Only one of us, to my knowledge.

Still ... I almost fell out of my chair when I read the one about the penguins.  I lol'd just thinking about it.

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2008, 02:57:56 PM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?

dude... just.... I.... *sigh* seriously?

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Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2008, 03:00:15 PM »
For God's sake man. I've seen that same illusion on paper in a psychology text book. 

How do you know it wasn't really a thin, transparent sheet over battery-powered rotating circles?

dude... just.... I.... *sigh* seriously?

It makes more sense than thinking that our own senses are tricking us. I mean, if we can't trust what we see, what can we trust?
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.