Gravity = magic... well so does...

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground. The FE want to know what is gravity. You guys say we have no proof of gravity, and until we somehow prove to you gravity is holding us down you guys will say it's not there.

   Fine but I want to know what the hell is pushing us forward, which is pinning us to the ground, because that's also "Magic" as far as I'm concerned.

   I have seen many RE post quoting the "Theory of relativity". You guys say "that doesn't work out" because of whatever reason you pull out of a hat. But you guys still haven't worked out what the hell is pushing us. I know you guys are going to say "antimatter whatever blaaaaa" I say prove that, and untill you do that is also magic.

   We have no examples anywhere of a planet or whatever you call a flat disc shaped hunk of dirt flying through space, accelerating on top of that. Atlease we can get a telescope and look at Jupiter and see it's moons rotate around it which helps show that there is somthing there keeping those moons from flying off.

   One last thing, it seems like all of your theories (unproven facts) are used to support of there theories (more unproven facts)... the cycle never ends. There are very few instances where i have seen you guys back something up with a cold hard scientific fact. When that happens it usally just supports one fact and fails to support any other one.

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground.

Not the ones who know what they are talking about.

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground. The FE want to know what is gravity. You guys say we have no proof of gravity, and until we somehow prove to you gravity is holding us down you guys will say it's not there.

   Fine but I want to know what the hell is pushing us forward, which is pinning us to the ground, because that's also "Magic" as far as I'm concerned.

   I have seen many RE post quoting the "Theory of relativity". You guys say "that doesn't work out" because of whatever reason you pull out of a hat. But you guys still haven't worked out what the hell is pushing us. I know you guys are going to say "antimatter whatever blaaaaa" I say prove that, and untill you do that is also magic.

   We have no examples anywhere of a planet or whatever you call a flat disc shaped hunk of dirt flying through space, accelerating on top of that. Atlease we can get a telescope and look at Jupiter and see it's moons rotate around it which helps show that there is somthing there keeping those moons from flying off.

   One last thing, it seems like all of your theories (unproven facts) are used to support of there theories (more unproven facts)... the cycle never ends. There are very few instances where i have seen you guys back something up with a cold hard scientific fact. When that happens it usally just supports one fact and fails to support any other one.

Prolly some FE will ask now....
Why?

or something similar....like they always do

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 10:25:22 AM

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground.

Not the ones who know what they are talking about.

So what is pushing us? i guess you don't know... Don't let me down Robosteve your starting to answer questions like Oscar wilde (i think i got his name right) I usally look forward to your responses.

So what is pushing us? i guess you don't know... Don't let me down Robosteve your starting to answer questions like Oscar wilde (i think i got his name right) I usally look forward to your responses.

The Earth is pushing us.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 10:30:50 AM

So what is pushing us? i guess you don't know... Don't let me down Robosteve your starting to answer questions like Oscar wilde (i think i got his name right) I usally look forward to your responses.

The Earth is pushing us.

How? magic? just like gravity... must be gravity since they are both magic.

nevermind ROCKETS!!!! like my avatar i knew it!

How? magic? just like gravity... must be gravity since they are both magic.

nevermind ROCKETS!!!! like my avatar i knew it!

We are discussing RET, no? The Earth is pushing us; there is an upward force created by the pressure in the core.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 11:31:01 AM

How? magic? just like gravity... must be gravity since they are both magic.

nevermind ROCKETS!!!! like my avatar i knew it!

We are discussing RET, no? The Earth is pushing us; there is an upward force created by the pressure in the core.

What is that pressure in the core? i want to know what is pushing us? for us to accelerate none stop for 1000's of years there has to be alot of energy. what is this energy? where does it come from? Sounds like MAGIC to me.

What is that pressure in the core? i want to know what is pushing us?

Electrostatic repulsion.

for us to accelerate none stop for 1000's of years there has to be alot of energy. what is this energy? where does it come from? Sounds like MAGIC to me.

Electrostatic potential energy.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 10:25:22 AM

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground.

Not the ones who know what they are talking about.

My spider sense is detecting more hyper-literalism.  I may be off base, but I think Robosteve is referring to in RET gravity is the mutual attraction of masses and is quibbling about your use of the word "sticking", thus effectively beginning the derailment of this thread. 

Maybe I'm wrong...or maybe not.  Thats only for Robosteve to say and good money says he's not going to give a concise answer on the subject.

You're posting an awful lot of good info, I've been here scarcely a week now and I've already seem dozens of RET people come and go because of the grammatical and semantical quibbling that goes on here, ultimately bogging useful and interesting threads down with back and forth arguments over the useage of a qualifier in a sentence.  If you want to get as far as Stage II arguments and past the minute details take your time and make damn sure your wording is as correct as you can make it, otherwise it jsut gets the thread spammed up with stuff like this.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 12:19:24 PM

for us to accelerate none stop for 1000's of years there has to be alot of energy. what is this energy? where does it come from? Sounds like MAGIC to me.

Electrostatic potential energy.

And that can push us upwards with a constant force for an eternety? riiiiight...

Thats only for Robosteve to say and good money says he's not going to give a concise answer on the subject.

At least you got one thing right.

And that can push us upwards with a constant force for an eternety? riiiiight...

Just as plausibly as gravitational potential energy pulling us downwards for an eternity.

This is Flat Earth Questions and Clarification, yet there is no question, but plenty of (unwanted, so I will not give it) clarificition needed. This isn't angry ranting. Don't rant and don't be angry here. Go there if you wish to rant and be angry.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 12:19:24 PM

What is that pressure in the core? i want to know what is pushing us?

Electrostatic repulsion.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 12:19:24 PM

for us to accelerate none stop for 1000's of years there has to be alot of energy. what is this energy? where does it come from? Sounds like MAGIC to me.

Electrostatic potential energy.

That all sounds like magic to me... made up facts for a crappy theory to me.

This is Flat Earth Questions and Clarification, yet there is no question, but plenty of (unwanted, so I will not give it) clarificition needed. This isn't angry ranting. Don't rant and don't be angry here. Go there if you wish to rant and be angry.

Is that you final answer? you lose.

That all sounds like magic to me... made up facts for a crappy theory to me.

That's what gravity sounds like to me.

Quote from: Robosteve on August 18, 2008, 10:27:00 AM

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 10:25:22 AM

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground.

Not the ones who know what they are talking about.

My spider sense is detecting more hyper-literalism.  I may be off base, but I think Robosteve is referring to in RET gravity is the mutual attraction of masses and is quibbling about your use of the word "sticking", thus effectively beginning the derailment of this thread. 

Maybe I'm wrong...or maybe not.  Thats only for Robosteve to say and good money says he's not going to give a concise answer on the subject.

You're posting an awful lot of good info, I've been here scarcely a week now and I've already seem dozens of RET people come and go because of the grammatical and semantical quibbling that goes on here, ultimately bogging useful and interesting threads down with back and forth arguments over the useage of a qualifier in a sentence.  If you want to get as far as Stage II arguments and past the minute details take your time and make damn sure your wording is as correct as you can make it, otherwise it jsut gets the thread spammed up with stuff like this.

I know what your saying... they do that because they don't have a good answer so they try to change the subject.

But every day that im on the shitter, or work a crappy 12 hour night shift i have nothing better to do than think of this crap.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 03:12:35 PM

That all sounds like magic to me... made up facts for a crappy theory to me.

That's what gravity sounds like to me.

Sure it does so does your theory. What I'm trying to get to is the fact that you don't have a good explanation to contradict the idea of gravity and your made up facts don't come close to cutting it. Seems like you watch old star trek episodes and quote lines from hat show here to explain real life stuff.
   The problem with your ideas is they only support one or two things and not the rest then you have to dig around for some idea to support the ideas that weren't supported...like conspiracy.

Sure it does so does your theory. What I'm trying to get to is the fact that you don't have a good explanation to contradict the idea of gravity and your made up facts don't come close to cutting it. Seems like you watch old star trek episodes and quote lines from hat show here to explain real life stuff.
   The problem with your ideas is they only support one or two things and not the rest then you have to dig around for some idea to support the ideas that weren't supported...like conspiracy.

And how does F = Gm₁m₂/r² explain gravitational lensing?

Quote from: mayhem on August 18, 2008, 12:46:10 PM

Thats only for Robosteve to say and good money says he's not going to give a concise answer on the subject.

At least you got one thing right.

Then can you please enlighten the rest of us on what you meant in your first post in this thread?  I've quoted it below.

So us RE say gravity sticks us to the ground.

Your reply:

Not the ones who know what they are talking about.

Please answer the following:
- Who are these ones?
- What are they saying about this topic?

ok, fine, I'll bite. I'm one...

To put it simply and clearly, do not talk about newtonian gravity on this site. The FEers believe it does not exist and is completely wrong and not even worth discussing, even as an approximation to what we see. Whenever you talk gravity on this site think ONLY of general relativity.

If you re-read all the FE-ers answers with this in mind... their answers won't seem so crazy. Pedantic, yes, crazy and wrong, no.

That said...
Why the FE'ers accept GR as an explanation of how "gravity" does its stuff is still beyond me. Fine... mass warps space in a way that makes it look like there's a gravitational attraction between 2 bodies. But WHY does mass warp space? I doubt physics will ever answer that. It's a crazy question for physics.

Want to fast forward through a bunch of these sort of discussions? Here goes...

FE'er... what's the value of PI?
RE'er #1 it's 3.14
FE'er: WRONG
RE'er #2 it's 3.14159
FE'er: WRONG
RE'er #3 it's 3.1415926
FE'er: WRONG
RE'er #4 it's 3.1415926536
FE'er: WRONG
RE'er #5: PI is an irrational number whose value can never be fully expressed in a decimal form though it's value is approximately 3.1415926536
FE'er: yea, ok, but what IS it?

it appears to me that FE'ers believe any answer that's not 100% correct is 100% incorrect. Saying PI is 3.14159 is as wrong as saying PI is 42.

Actually, PI is the ratio of a circle's circumference and its diameter.
And 42 is the answer to a completely different question.

But then you already knew that.   

P.S.  Whether gravity exists or not depends on your frame of reference.

Actually the normal debate goes like this.....

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22345.msg454750#msg454750

all i am trying to do in this thread is show that FE have their own "magic". They say gravity isn't there because we can't prove it. I say earth accelerating isn't there because they can't prove it. That's all i am doing here.

There are more proven facts down to the small details in RE. FE are placing Antarctica just south of Hawaii...

all i am trying to do in this thread is show that FE have their own "magic". They say gravity isn't there because we can't prove it. I say earth accelerating isn't there because they can't prove it. That's all i am doing here.

There are more proven facts down to the small details in RE. FE are placing Antarctica just south of Hawaii...

I agree with you.

Maybe we should ban all talk of gravity from the issue fullstop. Seeing as neither side of the debate can offer a proven mechanism behind gravity, then it serves absolutely no purpose in supporting theories one way or the other.

But-the-bing, thank you.

First of all, we don't need to prove gravity. We don't believe in it. We believe in gravitation. It sounds like semantics, but they are two entirely different theories, and saying they're the same is like saying evolution and creationism are the same. Gravity, like creationism is powered by magic and started by God (as Newton believed) while gravitation and evolution are brilliant theories by brilliant scientists that are still misinterpreted and ignored by silly people. Secondly, we can prove the earth is accelerating. Jump off a chair, and the Earth will accelerate up to meet you, then you will feel a force as your velocity changes to match that of the Earth at the particular moment. You will always still feel a force, because the Earth is always accelerating. If you fall far enough, the Earth will merely splatter you across its surface like a fly on a particularly large windscreen.

This forum kills brain cells.  The arguments are nauseating and meaningless and only serve as amusement for the observers.  I beg of everyone to cease this nonsense and go back to doing rational things living in rational lives.  I do this for the best of the forum's population. 

Actually, PI is the ratio of a circle's circumference and its diameter.

No it isn't.

It is. Pi is c/d, just because it's always 3.141 etc. doesn't mean it isn't

It is. Pi is c/d, just because it's always 3.141 etc. doesn't mean it isn't

I don't dispute that.