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Why?
« on: August 14, 2008, 09:07:49 AM »
In the FE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?

Furthermore, what exactly are the stars in FE?  Since they orbit the Earth, they could not possibly be other suns. 

The more you read into the finer details, the less statistically likely it becomes.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 09:15:18 AM »
In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 09:28:13 AM »
How amusing :) (Not really).

The Moon and stars exist in the RE universe because they were formed naturally.  What I really mean't to ask is why the stars exist according to FE, but serve no purpose.  In FE, they are described as points of light and nothing more relevant.  This does nothing to explain why they are luminescent or why they are also accellerating upwards.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »
Because we are but a small part of an Immense Universe of Spherical Planets, Suns and Solar Systems that light our sky and beckon us to explore. From Cheng Ho in 1405 and Columbus in 1492 to Modern Day adventures and Astronauts they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond.  
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Re: Why?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 09:37:55 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?

Is this a serious question?

Also, the moon helps stabalize the earth. 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 09:40:51 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 14, 2008, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?

Is this a serious question?

If you have to ask that, you don't deserve an answer.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 09:54:51 AM »
Really, how could that be a serious question?  In what way does it even REMOTELY apply to our reality? ???
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Re: Why?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 10:01:46 AM »
Why questions just don't work, cos essentially you are saying Why does hte universe exist.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 10:20:43 AM »
I'm not asking why the universe exists.  I'm asking why stars are orbiting and accellerating with the Earth.  There is no known possible way for them to emit light and no explanation of what they are in FE.  They do not create any relevant contribution to overall illumination either.  In either theory, phenomena do not come into existance for no reason what-so-ever.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 11:00:16 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 14, 2008, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?

Is this a serious question?

If you have to ask that, you don't deserve an answer.

Stop acting stupid then. 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 12:12:18 PM »
Quote from: troy2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
I'm not asking why the universe exists.  I'm asking why stars are orbiting and accellerating with the Earth.  There is no known possible way for them to emit light and no explanation of what they are in FE.  They do not create any relevant contribution to overall illumination either.  In either theory, phenomena do not come into existance for no reason what-so-ever.



They exist because people opened their windows and looked up at the sky at night.  Saw a bunch of points of light and had to explain them. 

They must exist in FET because they are observable directly.  The explanation fits the naked eye observations and thus is their correct model, subject to change.

Not all FET proponents consider them to be starts and just the same, not all FET proponents consider them to be tiny points of light on a fixed sphere 5000km away.  Tom for example seems to think Start are pretty close to us and are actually fractal bits of energy (his explanation for telescope-observable galaxies IIRC, I don't want to put words in his mouth inaccurately) and others (cannot recall screen names now) consider the bulk of our universe outside our solar system to be more or less the way RET explains it...its just our solar system thats different.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 12:37:05 PM »
Quote from: 12345SA on August 14, 2008, 09:35:01 AM
Because we are but a small part of an Immense Universe of Spherical Planets, Suns and Solar Systems that light our sky and beckon us to explore. From Cheng Ho in 1405 and Columbus in 1492 to Modern Day adventures and Astronauts they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond.  

Robosteve could you please respond to this answer
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Re: Why?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 12:50:11 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: 12345SA on August 14, 2008, 09:35:01 AM
Because we are but a small part of an Immense Universe of Spherical Planets, Suns and Solar Systems that light our sky and beckon us to explore. From Cheng Ho in 1405 and Columbus in 1492 to Modern Day adventures and Astronauts they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond.  

Robosteve could you please respond to this answer

When an answer is provided, I will.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 12:56:38 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: 12345SA on August 14, 2008, 09:35:01 AM
Because we are but a small part of an Immense Universe of Spherical Planets, Suns and Solar Systems that light our sky and beckon us to explore. From Cheng Ho in 1405 and Columbus in 1492 to Modern Day adventures and Astronauts they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond.  

Robosteve could you please respond to this answer

When an answer is provided, I will.

You need someone to give an answer for you? 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2008, 12:58:09 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: 12345SA on August 14, 2008, 09:35:01 AM
Because we are but a small part of an Immense Universe of Spherical Planets, Suns and Solar Systems that light our sky and beckon us to explore. From Cheng Ho in 1405 and Columbus in 1492 to Modern Day adventures and Astronauts they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond.  

Robosteve could you please respond to this answer

When an answer is provided, I will.




An answer is provided "they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."
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Re: Why?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 01:03:41 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 12:58:09 PM
An answer is provided "they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."

That is not an answer.
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SteveY19

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Re: Why?
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 01:04:56 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 12:58:09 PM
An answer is provided "they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."

That is not an answer.

how is that not an answer?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 01:14:08 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:04:56 PM
how is that not an answer?

Answers generally provide some sort of response to the question at hand.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 01:18:43 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:04:56 PM
how is that not an answer?

Answers generally provide some sort of response to the question at hand.

question:
"In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?"

Answer:
"they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."
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Re: Why?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 01:25:06 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:18:43 PM
question:
"In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?"

Answer:
"they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."

I can read, thanks.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 01:27:00 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:18:43 PM
question:
"In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?"

Answer:
"they have served as a call and pull to the Human Race to expand their Knowledge of the World around us both on Earth and beyond."

I can read, thanks.

than as a reasonably smart human you can see how this is an answer to your question.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2008, 01:32:16 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:27:00 PM
than as a reasonably smart human you can see how this is an answer to your question.

I am quite significantly more intelligent than merely "reasonably smart", and no, it is not an answer to my question.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2008, 01:33:48 PM »
Is it 'reasonably smart' to assume that just because the Earth is flat, the moon serves no purpose?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2008, 01:39:18 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:27:00 PM
than as a reasonably smart human you can see how this is an answer to your question.

I am quite significantly more intelligent than merely "reasonably smart", and no, it is not an answer to my question.

ok then answer my question:

why is that not an answer to your question?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2008, 01:47:26 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
ok then answer my question:

why is that not an answer to your question?

Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
Answers generally provide some sort of response to the question at hand.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2008, 04:02:37 PM »
Quote from: mayhem on August 14, 2008, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: troy2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
I'm not asking why the universe exists.  I'm asking why stars are orbiting and accellerating with the Earth.  There is no known possible way for them to emit light and no explanation of what they are in FE.  They do not create any relevant contribution to overall illumination either.  In either theory, phenomena do not come into existance for no reason what-so-ever.



They exist because people opened their windows and looked up at the sky at night.  Saw a bunch of points of light and had to explain them. 

They must exist in FET because they are observable directly.  The explanation fits the naked eye observations and thus is their correct model, subject to change.

Not all FET proponents consider them to be starts and just the same, not all FET proponents consider them to be tiny points of light on a fixed sphere 5000km away.  Tom for example seems to think Start are pretty close to us and are actually fractal bits of energy (his explanation for telescope-observable galaxies IIRC, I don't want to put words in his mouth inaccurately) and others (cannot recall screen names now) consider the bulk of our universe outside our solar system to be more or less the way RET explains it...its just our solar system thats different.

Thank you very much, Mayhem.  That is the most coherent answer I have read in this entire thread :).

If other solar systems are mostly general in their exhibited characteristics, what phenomenon could possibly cause our solar system to become so drastically unique?  Furthermore, I have just read that the Moon supposedly emits "cold light".  I want to assume this to be an innacurate explanation, as all light sources must radiate heat also.

And BTW:  Robosteve, why do you insist on distorting the topic of EVERY single RE thread?


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Re: Why?
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2008, 04:06:38 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 14, 2008, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 14, 2008, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
In the RE model, why do the stars (and possibly the moon) need to exist?  Obviously they are not there specifically for our amusement, so why then do they exist?

Is this a serious question?

If you have to ask that, you don't deserve an answer.

Stop acting stupid then. 

Be fair - He's not acting.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2008, 04:14:49 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
ok then answer my question:

why is that not an answer to your question?

Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
Answers generally provide some sort of response to the question at hand.

this kind of circular argument is why you are not able to convince people the earth is flat. that and the lack of evidence. 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2008, 04:20:32 PM »
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: SteveY19 on August 14, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
ok then answer my question:

why is that not an answer to your question?

Quote from: Robosteve on August 14, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
Answers generally provide some sort of response to the question at hand.

this kind of circular argument is why you are not able to convince people the earth is flat. that and the lack of evidence. 

Evidence . . . Logic . . . experimental data . . . knowledge of the scientific method . . . self-consistency . . .

There's a 20K limit on these posts isn't there - <G>

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Re: Why?
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2008, 04:40:33 PM »

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this kind of circular argument is why you are not able to convince people the earth is flat. that and the lack of evidence. 
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Evidence . . . Logic . . . experimental data . . . knowledge of the scientific method . . . self-consistency . . .

There's a 20K limit on these posts isn't there - <G>

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so you've been here 2 days and your an expert on every thing related to this forum. now I don't claim to be an expert, but I can tell when someone is avoiding a question and for the limited amount of time I have been here there are plenty of avoided questions.

also I have not seen one bit of proven science that the earth is flat all I see is faulty logic, and when faulty logic doesn't work you fall back on conspiracy theory and when that doesn't work you just make fun of them for having a low post count.
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