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cbarnett97

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Accelerating Earth
« on: June 27, 2008, 11:33:48 PM »
How would this mesh with the FE model:

m=mrest/sqrt(1-v2/c2)
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 11:58:26 PM »
Educating you seems daunting...
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 12:02:07 AM »
Quote from: Ski on June 27, 2008, 11:58:26 PM
Educating you seems daunting...
So Dont know....
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 12:02:54 AM »
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have asked an elementary question.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 12:04:34 AM »
Quote from: Ski on June 28, 2008, 12:02:54 AM
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have asked an elementary question.
exactly, I do not see how this equation will work in the FE model at all
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 12:05:48 AM »
It would work the same as it works in RE models.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 12:07:06 AM »
Quote from: Ski on June 28, 2008, 12:05:48 AM
It would work the same as it works in RE models.
Okay how does that mesh with the FE model then
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2008, 12:08:11 AM »
The same way it would in the RE model?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 12:09:59 AM »
Quote from: Ski on June 28, 2008, 12:08:11 AM
The same way it would in the RE model?
Remember the DIfference between the 2 models that this would effect; gravity v. ever accelerating earth, so taking this into consideration it would not be the same interaction
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2008, 12:10:54 AM »
in what manner?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2008, 12:15:24 AM »
as your velocity increases your mass increases so if we were on an ever accelerating plane our mass would not remain constant, and since I do not weigh a little bit more every day it must not be the case
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2008, 12:21:19 AM »
Except you are experiencing proper time.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2008, 12:23:30 AM »
except from any FoR outside of the System the Mass will increase so unless dark matter is increasing exponentially then it is not possible
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM »
Which is why the force increases...

BTW, I assume you realize your argument was wrong.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2008, 12:28:38 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
Which is why the force increases...
and what is required for the force to increase?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2008, 12:29:32 AM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on June 28, 2008, 12:15:24 AM
as your velocity increases your mass increases so if we were on an ever accelerating plane our mass would not remain constant, and since I do not weigh a little bit more every day it must not be the case

You would never notice. That's what relativity means. Along with several things you missed in the other thread earlier...
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2008, 12:30:12 AM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on June 28, 2008, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
Which is why the force increases...
and what is required for the force to increase?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2008, 12:31:51 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:30:12 AM
Quote from: cbarnett97 on June 28, 2008, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
Which is why the force increases...
and what is required for the force to increase?
:-\
Where in nature have we ever seen anything that will increase its own energy exponentially?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2008, 12:34:58 AM »
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2008, 12:39:21 AM »
please use your vast knowledge of Relativity and explain to me the scientific basis for there to be a force in the universe that will exponentially increase.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 01:30:46 AM »
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2008, 02:04:44 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
Which is why the force increases...

Are you sure the force increases?  It seems to me that only constant force is needed.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 02:07:56 AM »
Quote from: jdoe on June 28, 2008, 02:04:44 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 28, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
Which is why the force increases...

Are you sure the force increases?  It seems to me that only constant force is needed.
if the force did not increase then the acceleration would decrease F=ma so we would feel lighter and lighter.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2008, 02:26:22 AM »
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2008, 02:28:37 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2008, 02:26:22 AM

Now Imagine that M got larger but F remained constant what would happen to Dv/Dt to make sure the equation stayed equal?
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2008, 03:02:40 AM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on June 28, 2008, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2008, 02:26:22 AM

Now Imagine that M got larger but F remained constant what would happen to Dv/Dt to make sure the equation stayed equal?

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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2008, 08:19:17 AM »
I'm almost sad that I went to bed before this reached its elegant conclusion.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2008, 11:20:52 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2008, 03:02:40 AM
Quote from: cbarnett97 on June 28, 2008, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2008, 02:26:22 AM

Now Imagine that M got larger but F remained constant what would happen to Dv/Dt to make sure the equation stayed equal?

My bad I did bnot even look at your derivation just the end result and I thought you were just replacing a with dv/dt... it was late
I need to work it but that derivation does not seem correct at all.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2008, 03:33:55 PM »
I'm with cbarnett.

The laws of thermodynamics state that there is only a limited amount of energy in the universe. The Earth would have to slow down eventually due to entropy anyway.
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Re: Accelerating Earth
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2008, 03:39:45 PM »
The acceleration decreases over time.
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