the space shuttle "conspiracy"

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2007, 08:37:19 PM »
If you can see the storm forming before standard radar picks it up, you can start working on gathering more information, targeting in on the location.

Before radar picks it up? How much faster do you think satellites do this?

And sorry, but seeing an image of something forming is useless to the model that requires DATA for prediction. I'm sure it looks nice though.

Constant updating between what you are getting from satellite - especially the infra red, and combining it with what you get with ground level radar and visual information from spotters reduces the time in the end. The earlier the start you get, the more time you end up with in the end since you started gathering data sooner. That's just the simple truth. Aside from that - without the IR data you would have the gaps to fill in just like we used to without it and that wastes time.

I still fail to see what data the satellite is providing that decreases time, that can't be replicated by all the stuff aforementioned (you know, the whole reason this was brought up). An image of what is happening does not constitute data used in the prediction model.
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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2007, 08:58:53 PM »
ah, but Tom Bishop claims that ALL satellite photos are TOTAL fakes that have NOTHING to do with what is actually happening on earth!

so if radar and satellites agree...

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2007, 09:55:31 PM »
I still fail to see what data the satellite is providing that decreases time, that can't be replicated by all the stuff aforementioned (you know, the whole reason this was brought up). An image of what is happening does not constitute data used in the prediction model.

How can you say that? Observation is the first and most paramount form of data when available, especially if it precedes data known to be impending because of it.

Just think about what you are saying for a second.

No satellites: We have ground tools (radar, etc.) and spotters. What can you gather from them? Lot's of stuff to be sure, but only what people can see over their heads as far as they can see, and what your instruments report back to you on what's going on with wind directions, and probable development.

With satellites: On top of all of that, you now have overhead live imaging (there is a delay just due to distance called latency however minute, I grant you that it does exist) that gives you a picture of what the fronts are actually doing (in movement and shape) and therefore where it's best to "point" your equipment, your spotters, etc. Cuts down on time wasted scanning for naught. You can't replicate an image (not to mention other types of imaging such as IR and near IR) from that altitude giving you constant updates with any other equipment.

Sort of like aerial surveying for property lines. It's great to go through court records and go out to farms, find markers, and walk out everything on the ground, surveying your way there so to speak once on site. However, it's much easier to lay out new property divisions using an aerial photograph, then just go in knowing your survey points. Cuts way down on your time and expenses.

I hope that helps, but I'm not sure if I can explain it any better than that. Perhaps someone else can - I'm not the best at doing plain language, but I try.

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2007, 09:57:17 PM »
try that website i mentioned: "satsig.net". it has CURRENT satellite pictures of the ENTIRE WORLD, updated every 10 minutes
Where do you come up with this stuff?  Does it at least make sense in your head?  Those 'satellite' photos are not updated every 10 minutes, it is more like every three years...


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2007, 10:15:56 PM »
try that website i mentioned: "satsig.net". it has CURRENT satellite pictures of the ENTIRE WORLD, updated every 10 minutes
Where do you come up with this stuff?  Does it at least make sense in your head?  Those 'satellite' photos are not updated every 10 minutes, it is more like every three years...

Is this in response to my post? If it is, I can assure you that although there are many topographic and geographic maps that aren't updated very often... Satellite's can and do send live information and imagery depending on their design. Think about that for a second. Satellite TV doesn't update but once every 10 years? Come on seriously... (this with the assumption satellites exist) The only reason you see several minutes delay between the snapshots meteorologists use to show you on the screen is so you can see the changes and movements rapidly.


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2007, 10:56:54 PM »
No that was not in response to your post.  I wanted Eric to answer the post I had made previously.


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2007, 11:02:36 PM »
Ok, no problemo... kinda hard to tell in here sometimes. ;) I'm whooped. Finally settled in at the hotel. Niters all.

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2007, 04:50:44 AM »
No satellites: We have ground tools (radar, etc.) and spotters. What can you gather from them? Lot's of stuff to be sure, but only what people can see over their heads as far as they can see, and what your instruments report back to you on what's going on with wind directions, and probable development.

Did you read anything I pasted?

With satellites: On top of all of that, you now have overhead live imaging (there is a delay just due to distance called latency however minute, I grant you that it does exist) that gives you a picture of what the fronts are actually doing (in movement and shape) and therefore where it's best to "point" your equipment, your spotters, etc. Cuts down on time wasted scanning for naught. You can't replicate an image (not to mention other types of imaging such as IR and near IR) from that altitude giving you constant updates with any other equipment.

I'll paste this again since it seems to have been overlooked:

"Increasingly, data from weather satellites are being used due to their (almost) global coverage. Although their visible light images are very useful for forecasters to see development of clouds, little of this information can be used by numerical weather prediction models. The infra-red (IR) data however can be used as it gives information on the temperature at the surface and cloud tops. [which is replicated by other devices] Individual clouds can also be tracked from one time to the next to provide information on wind direction and strength at the clouds steering level. [Also replicated] Polar orbiting satellites provide soundings of temperature and moisture throughout the depth of the atmosphere. Compared with similar data from radiosondes, the satellite data has the advantage that coverage is global, however the accuracy and resolution is not as good."

The only thing that really makes the advantage for satellites is the aspect of "global coverage." Even then, if stratellites are used, this would even be rivaled.
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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2007, 12:40:30 PM »
sorry, i meant the Satsig WEBSITE updates every 10 minutes with CURRENT satellite photos.

i have no idea where he got that "3 years" figure!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2007, 01:45:45 PM »
sorry, i meant the Satsig WEBSITE updates every 10 minutes with CURRENT satellite photos.
What current photos? 

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i have no idea where he got that "3 years" figure!
Straight from Google themselves.  I wish you would learn to stop talking out of your ass.


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« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2007, 03:30:43 PM »
oh, google hasn't updated their satellite images for 3 years, therefore ALL weather satellite images are 3 years out of date? sheesh.

and remember, Tom B claims that there ARE no satellites AT ALL!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2007, 03:40:27 PM »
oh, google hasn't updated their satellite images for 3 years, therefore ALL weather satellite images are 3 years out of date? sheesh.
What are you talking about?  The site you linked to does not show weather.


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« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2007, 04:29:04 PM »
not weather reports, but it DOES show clouds!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2007, 06:51:55 PM »
oh, google hasn't updated their satellite images for 3 years, therefore ALL weather satellite images are 3 years out of date? sheesh.
What are you talking about?  The site you linked to does not show weather.


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« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2007, 06:41:47 PM »
did you even bother to look?

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »
Yes I did.  I didn't see any weather shown.  Perhaps you can back this claim up, at least?  I assume you can't back up your claim they update the pictures every 10 minutes.


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« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2007, 08:36:32 PM »
ok, forget the 10 minutes, did you try to find your hometown on that website?

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2007, 08:41:31 PM »
Yep, sure did.


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« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2007, 12:49:18 PM »
so do you really think that the NASA mission that put the satellite that took those pictures into orbit was a HOAX, and that the satellite doesn't EXIST? because that's Tom's opinion!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2007, 05:49:41 PM »
Who said the picture came from a satellite?  It sure looks like pictures I've taken of my house from my airplane.


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« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2007, 06:17:01 PM »
and can you see the entire world from your airplane at one time?
can you, personally, produce a picture that shows more than half the earth in one picture with your plane?

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2007, 06:49:33 PM »
and can you see the entire world from your airplane at one time?
can you, personally, produce a picture that shows more than half the earth in one picture with your plane?
Why should I have to do that when your 'satellites' don't do that?


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2007, 08:32:10 PM »
Why should I have to do that when your 'satellites' don't do that?

Because you don't think that satellites and the pictures they do take are real...
If you did he wouldn't need to ask you now would he?
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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2007, 11:21:15 PM »
So why should I have to show a picture of the entire Earth, when the satellite only has to show ~140 mi^2?  That's not quite fair, as I see it.


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2007, 04:35:40 AM »
So why should I have to show a picture of the entire Earth, when the satellite only has to show ~140 mi^2?  That's not quite fair, as I see it.
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« Reply #85 on: November 20, 2007, 10:46:00 AM »
my point: IF earth was flat, you COULD, but since it's round, you CAN'T!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2007, 10:53:56 AM »
my point: IF earth was flat, you COULD, but since it's round, you CAN'T!
My airplane does not fly that high.  However, back to the original point, the pictures of my house as seen from your 'satellites' look just like the ones I've taken from my airplane.


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« Reply #87 on: November 20, 2007, 12:55:10 PM »
so you STILL claim that satellites don't really exist? including the ones weathermen use to show LIVE pictures of HURRICANES from above?

BTW, i get TV from Dish Network's satellites using a dish antenna on my roof. maybe you should tell THEM that satellites don't exist!

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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2007, 01:00:27 PM »
So, what makes those pictures only obtainable from orbit?


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Re: the space shuttle "conspiracy"
« Reply #89 on: November 20, 2007, 01:46:01 PM »
Oh god no eric now they're gonna start claiming the government has cloaks placed on the shuttles so we don't see them land or take off the second time to make the fake landing  ::)